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Yup. It’s time to call it an attempted coup

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
A coup d’etat, which is defined as “sudden and decisive action in politics, especially one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force.”

Well, Trump’s attempted coup sought to change the election result illegally, and the murderous rampage at the Capitol was surely a use of force.

Here’s a good article summarizing the elements of the coup…


And as bad as the attempted coup was, its anti-democratic consequences are not over. As the article explains, Trump and his lackeys are working throughout the country to pass state laws and appoint officials allowing for the next coups to be successful. The actual election results just won’t matter.

And yet GOP cultists STILL support Trump and the rigging of elections to favor Trump and the GOP. They have destroyed the nation. And they enjoy destroying the nation.

So deplorable.
Give it a rest.

Sound familiar?
 

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Give it a rest.

Sound familiar?
Really? How can anyone ignore Trump if he won't shut the f*ck up?

He continues to run around the country claiming he was robbed and supporting other republicans running on that same crap? He is still working at tearing our country apart.
 

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It's an inside joke between me and @Bugsy McGurk you've stepped in.



So no reason to forensic audit and shut his mouth up for good then? You know because it's a guaranteed debunking according to you.
1. Who should pay for all these audits...is it just Wis, Mi, Pa, Ga and AZ or do you also want to audit all 50 states?

2. How many audits? Ga had done three already. Still want to do another there?

3. It is my expectation that you will not be satisfied until somebody says they've proved Trump won...even if their findings are so easily found to be false. Like the shit from Jovan Pulitzer today.
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
It does sound familiar. Most sane people are noting that Trump staged a violent coup attempt. And most wingers ignore that, dooming the nation.
That was prosecuted after very careful and thorough investigation by the Witch "Witch Hunter" Pelosi when she impeached Trump and nothing came of it, right?

You're not ashamed of the prosecute and THEN investigate globalist-communist party of yours? No shame, really? Wow.
 

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Didn't they impeach Trump over Jan. 6? What could possibly be left to uncover? Surely they did a thorough and comprehensive job for the impeachment process, right?

You're not ashamed of the prosecute and THEN investigate globalist-communist party of yours? No shame, really? Wow.
1. Who in the Trump campaign was in communication with the Proud Boys, Three Percenters, Oath Keepers and other rioters in the preparation for the rally?
2. Did the Trump Election campaign send money to any of those groups?
3. Why did it take three hours for National Guard troops to get authorization to move?
4. What was Trump doing for the three hours after he spoke at the rally?
5. Were the leaders of the various Trump militia groups in communication with one another? What was the nature of the communications? Was it coordinating the attack on the capitol? What was their stated purpose?

The Senate wouldn't allow testimony from the Trump cabinet members and Trump advisors who were there with Trump that day. Why not?
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
1. Who should pay for all these audits...is it just Wis, Mi, Pa, Ga and AZ or do you also want to audit all 50 states?

2. How many audits? Ga had done three already. Still want to do another there?

3. It is my expectation that you will not be satisfied until somebody says they've proved Trump won...even if their findings are so easily found to be false. Like the shit from Jovan Pulitzer today.
1. Just Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwauke, and Atlanta. You know the problem areas with anomalies that need explaining. No 50 states let alone an entire state.

2. GA has done zero audits.

3. Got proof or is the debunking on your word alone?
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
1. Who in the Trump campaign was in communication with the Proud Boys, Three Percenters, Oath Keepers and other rioters in the preparation for the rally?
2. Did the Trump Election campaign send money to any of those groups?
3. Why did it take three hours for National Guard troops to get authorization to move?
4. What was Trump doing for the three hours after he spoke at the rally?
5. Were the leaders of the various Trump militia groups in communication with one another? What was the nature of the communications? Was it coordinating the attack on the capitol? What was their stated purpose?

The Senate wouldn't allow testimony from the Trump cabinet members and Trump advisors who were there with Trump that day. Why not?
The question still stands. Didn't they impeach Trump for Jan. 6? Are you saying that they prosecuted and NOW want to investigate? Isn't that like not still unethical or is it just double jeopardy or something? Seriously, you have no shame in this?
 

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The question still stands. Didn't they impeach Trump for Jan. 6? Are you saying that they prosecuted and NOW want to investigate? Isn't that like not still unethical or is it just double jeopardy or something? Seriously, you have no shame in this?
Really? An investigation is the same as a prosecution?

An impeachment is not a criminal trial...so no, there is no double jeopardy.

There were 8 investigations into Benghazi. You aren't ashamed of that?

The impeachment was entirely about Trump inciting insurrection. Republicans refused to convict. Some because they were too loyal to the republican party or they feared Trump...some because they said it was too late, Trump was already leaving office. All bullshit excuses. Why were there no witnesses as to Trump's involvement in planning the rally or in his communication with the leaders of the riot?
 

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So his re-election campaign spends millions on the rally that ends up in a riot that disrupts the election process and was motivated by his repeated and baseless claims that the election was stolen by chinese thermostats and dead voters and his suggestion that the rally mob should go to the capitol building and fight like hell to stop the steal (election) or they won't have a country...and you think he had nothing at all to do with the result.
 

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Drumcollie

* See DC's list of Kook posters*
A coup d’etat, which is defined as “sudden and decisive action in politics, especially one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force.”

Well, Trump’s attempted coup sought to change the election result illegally, and the murderous rampage at the Capitol was surely a use of force.

Here’s a good article summarizing the elements of the coup…


And as bad as the attempted coup was, its anti-democratic consequences are not over. As the article explains, Trump and his lackeys are working throughout the country to pass state laws and appoint officials allowing for the next coups to be successful. The actual election results just won’t matter.

And yet GOP cultists STILL support Trump and the rigging of elections to favor Trump and the GOP. They have destroyed the nation. And they enjoy destroying the nation.

So deplorable.
Attempted Coup...After you cheated?

Your post is foreshadowing, that is:

1. What ever you said will happen by (D)
2. You blame (R) now so when Biden* eff ups the economy, continues to allow segregation, and freedoms are lost. ect....

Let's hope that you want all these thing that you say will happen, cuz you will get them with Biden*.

If you assertion is correct that it's all Trump's fault, Biden* is too weak to do anything about it. If Biden* were leading this country maybe, but he isn't.
 

Drumcollie

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Drumcollie

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So his re-election campaign spends millions on the rally that ends up in a riot that disrupts the election process and was motivated by his repeated and baseless claims that the election was stolen by chinese thermostats and dead voters and his suggestion that the rally mob should go to the capitol building and fight like hell to stop the steal (election) or they won't have a country...and you think he had nothing at all to do with the result.
Even if he did. What could Biden* do?
 

Drumcollie

* See DC's list of Kook posters*
Here's the Trump memo aka fascist plan listing the steps to carry out the coup.

1. VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Tempore Grassley, if Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).

2. When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.

3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th Amendment -- is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (here). A “majority of the electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.

4. Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.

5. One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining the rules of the present one — a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully argued). So someone – Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. – should demand normal rules (which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate of electors, if they had not already done so.

6. The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would press a lawsuit would have their past position -- that these are non-justiciable political questions – thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind.
Is this like the Russian Dossier?

Who faked this up? By the tone of the writing it wasn't you and there is no link or proof. Clearly faked. Salon? Raw story? Democratic Underground? Wonkette? Daily Kos?
 
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