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Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Zam-Zam, Aug 19, 2019.

  1. Zam-Zam

    Zam-Zam Governor

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    Republicans and Democrats finally agree on something: Obamacare is a failure:

    Another Study Confirms Obamacare Is The Unaffordable Care Act


    Despite the high level of partisanship in the United States, both sides can agree on something even as controversial as health care: Both Democrats and Republicans believe Obamacare has failed to deliver.

    Based on their last primary debate, Democrats running for the 2020 presidential nomination can’t give away more health care subsidies fast enough. Some of them want to abolish Obamacare outright. But all of them agree the law has not lived up to Barack Obama’s claims during the 2008 campaign, when he repeatedly promised that hisplan would reduce premiums by $2,500 for the average family.

    A recently released analysis by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) confirms what Democrats themselves have admitted: Obamacare has priced millions out of the market for health insurance.



    Complete text: https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/15/another-study-confirms-obamacare-is-the-unaffordable-care-act/



    Anyone surprised by this didn't do the math ahead of time.
     
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  2. ObamacareForever

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    And healthcare would be even more expensive without it.
     
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  3. Zam-Zam

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    Based on what, other than just saying it?
     
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  4. ObamacareForever

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    Medical bankruptcies would be higher. The doctors/hospitals don't just eat those costs of indigents. They pass them along to everyone else.
     
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    I don't see any numbers there, or cited references, just more rhetoric.

    Since the Democratic Presidential hopefuls are now all abandoning Obamacare, I am left to conclude it has been a catastrophic failure. You can dig in and defend bad ground if you wish, but your party representatives won't be joining you in the foxhole. They've moved on.


    Shunning ObamaCare

    Of my company’s 5,453 eligible employees, only 420 actually enrolled. The other 5,033 opted to pay a penalty.


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/andy-puzder-shunning-obamacare-1421192654
     
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  6. ObamacareForever

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    1.)If you are dumb enough to work for Andy Pudzer you deserve to pay a penalty.
    2.)what is the Republican alternative to Obamacare? They don't have one. Right-wingers lost the right to b*tch about Obamacare when they couldn't field an even remotely viable alternative.
     
  7. sensible don

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    So Andy Pudzer is/ was a cause for the high rates of obesity, heart problems, cholesterol, etc, etc just keep cranking out high calorie, high fat, high carb meals baabee !!! So we are to believe he/ Carl's/ Hardee's works his/ thier employees full time and offer(s) health care - you got to do better than that example.....

    Ok, he writes a book supporting Trump and you expect him not to be against Obamacare..................that's like saying Trump likes grilled chicken and exercises 1 hour a day, lmao

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    Andrew Franklin Puzder (born July 11, 1950) is an American attorney, author, and businessman. He is the former chief executive officer of CKE Restaurants, the parent company of Hardee's and Carl's Jr., a position he held from September 2000 to March 2017.[1] He was previously a commercial trial lawyer in private practice from 1978 to 1995 who handled many high-profile cases and was active in the pro-life movement.

    Puzder is a frequent commentator on economic and political issues.

    Puzder co-authored the book entitled Job Creation: How It Really Works and Why Government Doesn't Understand It.[2] On December 8, 2016, President-elect Donald Trump nominated Puzder to serve as Secretary of Labor, but on February 15, 2017, he withdrew due to lack of votes needed for his confirmation.[3]

    After withdrawing, Puzder published his second book entitled The Capitalist Comeback: The Trump Boom and the Left’s Plot to Stop It in 2018.[4]
     
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  8. Zam-Zam

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    Sad, but not surprising that you chose name-calling as a substitute for an argument.


    Don't like Andy Pudzer? Fine....He's hardly a lone voice crying out in the wilderness:


    10 Reasons Obamacare Is a Failure

    https://www.thoughtco.com/reasons-obamacare-is-and-will-continue-to-be-a-failure-3303662


    Why Obamacare failed

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/opin...nsurance-medicine-0911-jm-20160909-story.html

    ObamaCare Failed To Make Health Care Affordable; Here's A Plan That Will

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obamacare-affordable-health-care/
     
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  9. sensible don

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    Put the GOP replacement plan here in next post to back up your points. GO _______
     
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  10. ObamacareForever

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    As far I can tell the only problem you have with it is the name. I will make a deal with you, Y'all can rename it anything you please, and we keep the policy.
     
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    The Investor plan re-names it but is about the same thing as Obamacare, does that halp ?
     
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    I'm not carrying water for them. I'm pointing out what's obvious: Obamacare is a failure.

    Don't believe it? Check with your Democratic representatives in Congress:

    ObamaCare will continue to trudge along as a program providing health-care coverage to millions of Americans. But it is an ideological zombie.

    As of last week, it seems the Democratic Party as a whole has officially given up on the economic theory that shaped nearly every element of the Affordable Care Act's design. That is, no segment of the party — neither the progressives aggressively pushing Medicare-for-All nor the moderates calling for more gradual reform — now believes real change to the American health-care system can be brought about by individual health-care payers being better shoppers. This marks a massive paradigm shift within the entire party.

    Last Tuesday, the House voted overwhelmingly (419-6) to repeal the Affordable Care Act's "Cadillac tax." Nearly all of the chamber's Democrats voted for the bill. The controversial provision of the ACA would have applied a large tax to employer-provided insurance plans over a set value, starting in 2022. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the repeal will increase the deficit by $197 billion.


    This reversal comes almost exactly 10 years after President Obama spent a huge amount of political capital fighting to ensure this provision made it into his signature health-care law. Obama took on friendly labor unions, businesses, and activists in order to get this tax included, despite terrible polling for the provision. The tax was the main basis for Obama's oft-repeated claim that the ACA would "bend the cost curve." It was the keystone to the payer-focused strategy of reform that Democrats championed at the time.


    Complete text: https://theweek.com/articles/853627/democrats-have-officially-given-economic-theory-obamacare
     
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    The investors plan is let people sell "insurance" plans that don't actually cover anything.

    It's like somebody offering to sell you insurance that only covers being struck by lightning on the second tuesday of every month. Yes, the premiums would literally be pennies, but you are still be ripped off.
     
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    You can't really complain about it when you don't have any idea of how to improve it.
     
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    My only problem with it is that it is a catastrophic failure. Other than that, I'm fine with it.
     
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    I have all sorts of ideas....Is that your only argument?
     
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    You have been saying for nearly the past decade, but it's not true. People with pre-existing conditions can get coverage, and there is no lifetime cap on benefits.
     
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    When you have to stand on your head so as to not address the cost you will end up with a bad outcome.
     
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    It's been a nearly a decade. The thoughtco article says Obamacare failed because its unpopular. If popularity is some indicator of success then right-winghealthcare ideas are a mucher bigger failure
     
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