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The real race war...

freyasman said:
So you're saying, "it's different"? :cool:
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No I am saying the opposite. It's the exact same. If the AB had control of this type of area they would do the same thing to force people of another race out. One more time, you are talking about activities related to prison connected gang members. Every one of those guys taken in by the feds in connection with this will be welcome with open arms and praise for this as good and loyal soldiers when they get to prison.
 
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Spamature said:
Dude you talking about gangsters tied to prison gangs. That like asking why someone doesn't out and go preach to the Aryan Brotherhood on those subjects. Edward James Almos wants to live to see the next day like everyone else.
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Just so we're clear on this...you are saying that the worse the atrocity/the worse the perpetrators, the greater their immunity from critique and opposition?
 
RickWA said:
Just so we're clear on this...you are saying that the worse the atrocity/the worse the perpetrators, the greater their immunity from critique and opposition?
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You can critique and admonish these kinds of people all you want ? First and foremost you are talking about the activities of criminals within a society. Shunning them in the general community does no good. Because gangsters have their own closed community. Remember you're talking about satellite gangs of the Mexican Mafia. Do you go on about the Italian Mafia in this way. They are just as racist and just as violent. But you don't look at their actions and say that is a portrait of the Italian community.
 
Spamature said:
No I am say the opposite. It's the exact same. If the AB had control of this type of area they would do the same thing to force people of another race out. One more time, you are talking about activities related to prison connected gang members. Every one of those guys taken in by the feds in connection with this will be welcome with open arms and praise for this as good as loyal soldiers when they get to prison.
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Yes, but where is the outrage? Why aren't folks going ape-shit all over the 'net about this? Had you even heard of this prior to me posting about it?
No, I doubt you had, and the reason you hadn't, is because there was no way to spin it into "The white man is oppressing those po' black folks...".
 
Spamature said:
You can critique and admonish these kinds of people all you want ? First and foremost you are talking about the activities of criminals within a society. Shunning them in the general community does no good. Because gangsters have their own closed community. Remember you're talking about satellite gangs of the Mexican Mafia. Do you go on about the Italian Mafia in this way. They are just as racist and just as violent. But you don't look at their actions and say that is a portrait of the Italian community.
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Well, I'm not going on about anybody.

I was just struck by the juxtaposition of who committed heinous acts and whether or not those acts elicit similar condemnation.

Target selection.
 
freyasman said:
Yes, but where is the outrage? Why aren't folks going ape-shit all over the 'net about this? Had you even heard of this prior to me posting about it?
No, I doubt you had, and the reason you hadn't, is because there was no way to spin it into "The white man is oppressing those po' black folks...".
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These gangs are a symptom of an oppressed community. You are looking at a symptom as if it's the actual disease. If you think there should be protest and politicians and activist berating Hispanics when Hispanics suffer under the same terrorism from these gangsters as anyone else in their sphere ?
 
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Spamature said:
These gangs are a symptom of an oppressed community. You are looking at a symptom as if it's the actual disease. If you think there should be protest and politicians and activist berating Hispanics when Hispanic suffer under the same terrorism from these people as anyone else in their sphere ?
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"Oppressed community"???? :rolleyes:
These cholos are burning these folks out because their abuelas don't want to live next door to any N*****s.
The neighborhood I grew up in in Houston was built by first and second generation German immigrants but gradually, by the time I was born, was becoming predominately Mexican. It is bordered by an all-black neighborhood and while the all-Mexican demographic has been diluted by an influx of Central American immigrants, there are still no blacks in that neighborhood. Care to guess why?
 
RickWA said:
Well, I'm not going on about anybody.

I was just struck by the juxtaposition of who committed heinous acts and whether or not those acts elicit similar condemnation.

Target selection.
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Yeah sure you can condemn. The cops can arrest. They can go to prison where the gangsterism can become more ingrained. Then the cycle can repeat itself.
 
freyasman said:
"Oppressed community"???? :rolleyes:
These cholos are burning these folks out because their abuelas don't want to live next door to any N*****s.
The neighborhood I grew up in in Houston was built by first and second generation German immigrants but gradually, by the time I was born, was becoming predominately Mexican. It is bordered by an all-black neighborhood and while the all-Mexican demographic has been diluted by an influx of Central American immigrants, there are still no blacks in that neighborhood. Care to guess why?
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Mexico has a racist culture as well that segregates from light to dark as well. How often do you see people who look more Indian and of darker complexioned featured in television or as the leaders of that country for instance. You see plenty of them among real life everyday people and they make up the majority. But the Spanish European heritaged people are on the top. You think that gets left behind all at once. Thank Colonialism.
 
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Spamature said:
Mexico has a racist culture as well that segregates from light to dark as well. How often do you see people who look more Indian and of darker complexioned featured in television or as the leaders of that country for instance. You see plenty of them among real life everyday people and they make up the majority. But the Spanish European heritaged people are on the top. You think that gets left behind all at once. Thank Colonialism.
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Quit trying to deflect. Why do you think there is more hell raised by left leaning folks when a white guy has a confederate flag flying, or a "WPWW" t-shirt on, than there is when Mexicans engage in a campaign of arson against blacks?
 
freyasman said:
Quit trying to deflect. Why do you think there is more hell raised by left leaning folks when a white guy has a confederate flag flying, or a "WPWW" t-shirt on, than there is when Mexicans engage in a campaign of arson against blacks?
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Because the Confederate Flag is an in your face symbol of slavery. It was literally the symbol used by a group of people who wanted to keep blacks as slaves forever. The same goes for the in your face racially evocative message of the t-shirt to some extent but it's problem is the intentions are a lot less innocent than the flag. Someone may have been raised around that flag and to them there is not connection to it's history in that context. The shirt not so much.

On the same if someone walks around in gang attire with gang symbols or even appears to be dressed in that way there is going to be a stigma attached to that. Wearing sagging pants is a perfect example of that. The people who wear them see it as just part and party of where they live and what others around them wear. Outside of that social sphere it's seen in a whole different light.

Let me ask you if there were protest and outrage over the acts of Jihadist groups. What do you think would happen to those who live there after expressed outrage out once public attention moved on ? Because I think we both know the only thing that would change is their addresses if they knew what was good for them.
 
you're not "keeping the black community down" by having a confederate flag.
you're just expressing a racist attitude by having a confederate flag.
 
Spamature said:
What do you suggest be done.
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Your call. I simply note that - even when called on it, those who deride ONLY white-on-minority violence just can't get it done.

I don't care. Demonize and exempt whatever groups of humans you choose.
 
RickWA said:
Your call. I simply note that - even when called on it, those who deride ONLY white-on-minority violence just can't get it done.

I don't care. Demonize and exempt whatever groups of humans you choose.
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I am not deriding these acts of racist violence by criminals ?
 
JuliefromOhio said:
you're not "keeping the black community down" by having a confederate flag.
you're just expressing a racist attitude by having a confederate flag.
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The flag like any inanimate object have nothing to do with the act it's used for. It's the people holding the flag.
FYI THE CONFEDERATE FLAG NEVER FLEW OVER ANY CONFEDERATE CONTROLLED GOVERNMENT BUILDING.
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Spamature said:
These gangs are a symptom of an oppressed community. You are looking at a symptom as if it's the actual disease. If you think there should be protest and politicians and activist berating Hispanics when Hispanics suffer under the same terrorism from these gangsters as anyone else in their sphere ?
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Ah yes, those poor oppressed Italians. No wonder they have a brutal mafia.
 
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