NYPD - just out of interest

[Queen Titania]

I have been wondering what 'powers' have had Trumps back all through this saga, 'cos there has be some very tough and large establishment body pushing him forward, doesn't there?

Can't remember were I saw that it is ex NYPD who are his protectors, body guards, and now all over the place we see things like this -

http://rickwells.us/nypd-pedophile-rico-case-clinton-can-bypass-doj-fbi/

Be they true or not there is definitely a massive power battle going on which is not simply Dem vs Repub - a sort of coup, out side party divides, which one could argue for both sides.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

I think that's a very good question. For some reason, this reminds me of a time several years ago (it had to be more than six or so when I still had DirecTV) when Trump appeared on Fox News with his usual threats to run for president. One of the hosts mentioned how popular he was with the Fox lighting, sound and other crew members. One can't wonder if his clear ability to connect with we peasants (that Hillary can't connect with because she thinks we're subjects to be manipulated) trickles up in many aspects of NYC life, given how long he has lived there.

It was just last night I watched a bit of a bio on PBS. They stated that Trump was never really accepted by the old money blue bloods. Perhaps being too friendly with the peasants was one of his sins over which they reject him.

 

[Queen Titania]

I think that's a very good question. For some reason, this reminds me of a time several years ago (it had to be more than six or so when I still had DirecTV) when Trump appeared on Fox News with his usual threats to run for president. One of the hosts mentioned how popular he was with the Fox lighting, sound and other crew members. One can't wonder if his clear ability to connect with we peasants (that Hillary can't connect with because she thinks we're subjects to be manipulated) trickles up in many aspects of NYC life, given how long he has lived there.

It was just last night I watched a bit of a bio on PBS. They stated that Trump was never really accepted by the old money blue bloods. Perhaps being too friendly with the peasants was one of his sins over which they reject him.

There really does have to be a lot of muscle behind him - a lot a lot a lot - and it is not, as you say, the usual players, it is coming from deep within America.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

There really does have to be a lot of muscle behind him - a lot a lot a lot - and it is not, as you say, the usual players, it is coming from deep within America.

Excellent point. Perhaps it's not a matter of his connection with the common man trickling up, but a matter of some well-placed common men with access to the right information.

 

[georgephillip]

I have been wondering what 'powers' have had Trumps back all through this saga, 'cos there has be some very tough and large establishment body pushing him forward, doesn't there?

Can't remember were I saw that it is ex NYPD who are his protectors, body guards, and now all over the place we see things like this -

http://rickwells.us/nypd-pedophile-rico-case-clinton-can-bypass-doj-fbi/

Be they true or not there is definitely a massive power battle going on which is not simply Dem vs Repub - a sort of coup, out side party divides, which one could argue for both sides.

The personality that looms largest over the 2016 campaign did not emerge on the political scene as an unknown. In fact, Donald Trump might be one of the most deeply studied presidential candidates ever.

"Beginning in the early 1990s, as the real estate mogul dealt with corporate calamities, and until last year, when he descended the escalator at Trump Tower to announce his candidacy, a half-dozen serious biographies have been written about a man who has imprinted himself on American culture in towering gold letters.

"But those biographies—which dig into Trump’s family history, his early business successes and later financial disasters, his tabloid sex scandals and the television showmanship that saved him—had largely receded into the depths of Amazon’s bestseller list. Now those books—which have not always been to Trump’s liking; he sued one of the authors unsuccessfully for libel—have become precious source material for those eager to explain Trump’s surge toward the GOP nomination."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...rt-dantiono-blair-obrien-213835#ixzz4P8c8hIkp
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As I'm posting this response, I'm listening to Chris Hedges explain how Trump could be the "dress rehearsal" for a far more sophisticated form of US fascism that will rise if Trump doesn't win on Tuesday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Flynn

 

[Queen Titania]

Excellent point. Perhaps it's not a matter of his connection with the common man trickling up, but a matter of some well-placed common men with access to the right information.

I am sure that there are a lot of common men with info and conviction but what I am talking about is an organized and large body of muscle - who are, by having Trumps back, fighting against not Hillary Clinton herself but all that she embodies or rather the powers who are behind her ---- for whatever reason this is a challenge by 'some' to the powers behind the Throne of at least the last three Prez if not more.
That it is by the nature of US politics, in part, a personality contest is a diversion really - this election, in spirit, is so much more than Dem vs Repub isn't it? It seems to challenge them both as they have become, the corrupted establishment.

ps that is not to say goodies vs baddies Just one as yet 'unknown' power challenging the known and distrusted established power............ or is it, as you hint, bodies like the NYPD and from within the FBI who are unhappy with what has been going on and now that there is a chink and they have their chance to topple that which they are unhappy about are grabbing it with both hands - win or lose -

 

[Queen Titania]

The personality that looms largest over the 2016 campaign did not emerge on the political scene as an unknown. In fact, Donald Trump might be one of the most deeply studied presidential candidates ever.

"Beginning in the early 1990s, as the real estate mogul dealt with corporate calamities, and until last year, when he descended the escalator at Trump Tower to announce his candidacy, a half-dozen serious biographies have been written about a man who has imprinted himself on American culture in towering gold letters.

"But those biographies—which dig into Trump’s family history, his early business successes and later financial disasters, his tabloid sex scandals and the television showmanship that saved him—had largely receded into the depths of Amazon’s bestseller list. Now those books—which have not always been to Trump’s liking; he sued one of the authors unsuccessfully for libel—have become precious source material for those eager to explain Trump’s surge toward the GOP nomination."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...rt-dantiono-blair-obrien-213835#ixzz4P8c8hIkp
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

As I'm posting this response, I'm listening to Chris Hedges explain how Trump could be the "dress rehearsal" for a far more sophisticated form of US fascism that will rise if Trump doesn't win on Tuesday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Flynn

I do wish people would stop bandying about words like fascism - it has no meaning anymore - you need to give complete explanations of what you mean by them. Clarify.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

I am sure that there are a lot of common men with info and conviction but what I am talking about is an organized and large body of muscle - who are, by having Trumps back, fighting against not Hillary Clinton herself but all that she embodies or rather the powers who are behind her ---- for whatever reason this is a challenge by 'some' to the powers behind the Throne of at least the last three Prez if not more.
That it is by the nature of US politics, in part, a personality contest is a diversion really - this election, in spirit, is so much more than Dem vs Repub isn't it? It seems to challenge them both as they have become, the corrupted establishment.

ps that is not to say goodies vs baddies Just one as yet 'unknown' power challenging the known and distrusted established power............ or is it, as you hint, bodies like the NYPD and from within the FBI who are unhappy with what has been going on and now that there is a chink and they have their chance to topple that which they are unhappy about are grabbing it with both hands - win or lose -

I am confused. Not by your statements, but by how this is happening. If it is powerful people behind this, why not an explosive news conference? On the other hand, I tend to believe and have no trouble admitting people with REAL power know better than I what to do in this situation. But anonymous leaking? I don't see how that's better than person A hold a news conference, followed by B, C, etc.

Like I said, I'm confused. I will say this. For the purposes of bringing down Hillary: I will gladly put a temporary "goodie" badge on any "baddie", precisely for the challenge that is occurring. It just seems to little too late to me.

 

[Queen Titania]

I am confused. Not by your statements, but by how this is happening. If it is powerful people behind this, why not an explosive news conference? On the other hand, I tend to believe and have no trouble admitting people with REAL power know better than I what to do in this situation. But anonymous leaking? I don't see how that's better than person A hold a news conference, followed by B, C, etc.

Like I said, I'm confused. I will say this. For the purposes of bringing down Hillary: I will gladly put a temporary "goodie" badge on any "baddie", precisely for the challenge that is occurring. It just seems to little too late to me.

I just find it interesting - Rockerfellers and co did it - maybe it is time for them to move over

 

[Queen Titania]

The personality that looms largest over the 2016 campaign did not emerge on the political scene as an unknown. In fact, Donald Trump might be one of the most deeply studied presidential candidates ever.

"Beginning in the early 1990s, as the real estate mogul dealt with corporate calamities, and until last year, when he descended the escalator at Trump Tower to announce his candidacy, a half-dozen serious biographies have been written about a man who has imprinted himself on American culture in towering gold letters.

"But those biographies—which dig into Trump’s family history, his early business successes and later financial disasters, his tabloid sex scandals and the television showmanship that saved him—had largely receded into the depths of Amazon’s bestseller list. Now those books—which have not always been to Trump’s liking; he sued one of the authors unsuccessfully for libel—have become precious source material for those eager to explain Trump’s surge toward the GOP nomination."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...rt-dantiono-blair-obrien-213835#ixzz4P8c8hIkp
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

As I'm posting this response, I'm listening to Chris Hedges explain how Trump could be the "dress rehearsal" for a far more sophisticated form of US fascism that will rise if Trump doesn't win on Tuesday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Flynn

Explain why the NYPD ( ex NYPD officers) are his security - why are they protecting him?

 

[Queen Titania]

I am confused. Not by your statements, but by how this is happening. If it is powerful people behind this, why not an explosive news conference? On the other hand, I tend to believe and have no trouble admitting people with REAL power know better than I what to do in this situation. But anonymous leaking? I don't see how that's better than person A hold a news conference, followed by B, C, etc.

Like I said, I'm confused. I will say this. For the purposes of bringing down Hillary: I will gladly put a temporary "goodie" badge on any "baddie", precisely for the challenge that is occurring. It just seems to little too late to me.

The Medea is owned by the same people who own Clinton - it would not be aired and or it would be written off as conspiracy theories - it has to be done officially - this, Clinton, is a gift to them BUT even so we see how powerful those 'they' are fighting against are eh?

 

[Boltlady]

I am sure that there are a lot of common men with info and conviction but what I am talking about is an organized and large body of muscle - who are, by having Trumps back, fighting against not Hillary Clinton herself but all that she embodies or rather the powers who are behind her ---- for whatever reason this is a challenge by 'some' to the powers behind the Throne of at least the last three Prez if not more.
That it is by the nature of US politics, in part, a personality contest is a diversion really - this election, in spirit, is so much more than Dem vs Repub isn't it? It seems to challenge them both as they have become, the corrupted establishment.

ps that is not to say goodies vs baddies Just one as yet 'unknown' power challenging the known and distrusted established power............ or is it, as you hint, bodies like the NYPD and from within the FBI who are unhappy with what has been going on and now that there is a chink and they have their chance to topple that which they are unhappy about are grabbing it with both hands - win or lose -

As Trump says, it's not so much him as it is a movement. He's been smart enough to tap it.

 

[JackDallas]

I have been wondering what 'powers' have had Trumps back all through this saga, 'cos there has be some very tough and large establishment body pushing him forward, doesn't there?

Can't remember were I saw that it is ex NYPD who are his protectors, body guards, and now all over the place we see things like this -

http://rickwells.us/nypd-pedophile-rico-case-clinton-can-bypass-doj-fbi/

Be they true or not there is definitely a massive power battle going on which is not simply Dem vs Repub - a sort of coup, out side party divides, which one could argue for both sides.

Trump has certainly hit a nerve with a large segment of the American people. I didn't support him at first,being a Ted Cruz fan. I wasn't offended at the things he said but rather at the way he said them. I felt like he should have known not to say things in such a manner that the Liberal media would twist his words into the worst possible lie (they always do). Ie: He had a legitimate beef with the crooked Hispanic judge who was hearing the case about Trump University against him; but Trump's saying the judge should not be on the case because he, the judge, was Mexican was just a stupid thing to say. I felt like even a moron ought to know better than to say something like that.

Then in the debates when Clinton baited him with the tax thing and the fat Ms America. Rather than spend valuable minutes defending himself, he should have just told her to F**k off and gone on to the issues. Trump is not a good debater.

It wasn't so much Trump that sold me on being the rabid, die-hard supporter I am now. as it was the Republican pieces of shit who opposed him. Here we are in an Armageddon style battle for the life and soul of the country and those selfish (term used to describe sexual abuser of one's own birth parent) were whining and sniveling and pissing and moaning about how he was going to embarrass them. What the lying snakes were actually afraid of was, not that he would lose but that he would win, and then they would actually have to do the jobs they were elected to do.

Because of all this, I have effectively left the Republican Party (will never give them another nickel, ever). I now only donate to individual candidates and never to any political organization. I remain registered as a Republican so I can vote against the DBOC (Dirty Bastard of Choice) in the primaries.
And I still consider voting for or supporting a Democrat, at the national level, an act of treason. I had to add the caveat because there is a lady Democrat, in the DFW area (already in office) who opposes Common Core and supports legalizing medical marijuana in Texas. I can't vote for her because she is not in my district but I intend to support her reelection the next time she runs for office.

 

[Queen Titania]

As Trump says, it's not so much him as it is a movement. He's been smart enough to tap it.

But there is a lot of clout behind him Boltlady, I mean real muscle behind him as opposed to popularity for him, he is not an island and has not done this alone.

 

[Queen Titania]

Trump has certainly hit a nerve with a large segment of the American people. I didn't support him at first,being a Ted Cruz fan. I wasn't offended at the things he said but rather at the way he said them. I felt like he should have known not to say things in such a manner that the Liberal media would twist his words into the worst possible lie (they always do). Ie: He had a legitimate beef with the crooked Hispanic judge who was hearing the case about Trump University against him; but Trump's saying the judge should not be on the case because he, the judge, was Mexican was just a stupid thing to say. I felt like even a moron ought to know better than to say something like that.

Then in the debates when Clinton baited him with the tax thing and the fat Ms America. Rather than spend valuable minutes defending himself, he should have just told her to F**k off and gone on to the issues. Trump is not a good debater.

It wasn't so much Trump that sold me on being the rabid, die-hard supporter I am now. as it was the Republican pieces of shit who opposed him. Here we are in an Armageddon style battle for the life and soul of the country and those selfish (term used to describe sexual abuser of one's own birth parent) were whining and sniveling and pissing and moaning about how he was going to embarrass them. What the lying snakes were actually afraid of was, not that he would lose but that he would win, and then they would actually have to do the jobs they were elected to do.

Because of all this, I have effectively left the Republican Party (will never give them another nickel, ever). I now only donate to individual candidates and never to any political organization. I remain registered as a Republican so I can vote against the DBOC (Dirty Bastard of Choice) in the primaries.
And I still consider voting for or supporting a Democrat, at the national level, an act of treason. I had to add the caveat because there is a lady Democrat, in the DFW area (already in office) who opposes Common Core and supports legalizing medical marijuana in Texas. I can't vote for her because she is not in my district but I intend to support her reelection the next time she runs for office.

I do get that Jack xxx

It is funny but even I have warmed to Trump - that I so despise The Clintons and have done for years is no secret on here and that I feel, for world peace, anyone but Hillary - but I just found Trump them most bizarre candidate possible - but after listening to some of his speeches and apart from his attacks on the establishment and that he will talk to Russia I think he would be fun, lift the spirits and give comedians a job again

 

[georgephillip]

I do wish people would stop bandying about words like fascism - it has no meaning anymore - you need to give complete explanations of what you mean by them. Clarify.

Does the word "authoritarian" work better for you?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/08/trump-and-authoritarianism/

"AUGUST 8, 2016
"Trump and Authoritarianism
by BERNARD WEINER

• "All over the globe, including here in the U.S., there is a resurgence of muscular authoritarian politics.
• 
  
• "How that trend unfolds and is enforced varies country by country, but the core is recognizably neo-fascist, to a lesser or greater degree, often emerging from the extreme right wing.

• 
  
• "
This rise of authoritarianism is as true in Turkey as it is in Russia, in the turbulent greater Middle East as it is in the Philippines — and, of course, as it is in the Trump movement in America."

The best example of Trump's brand of neo-fascism is probably his VP selection:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pence

"Pence positioned himself as a principled ideologue and supporter of the Tea Party movement, noting he was 'a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order.'[2][3][4]

"In 2012 Pence was elected the 50th Governor of Indiana. He successfully advocated the largest tax cut in Indiana's history, pushed for more funding for education initiatives, and continued to grow the state's budget surplus.

"However, he also stirred several high-profile controversies.

"After signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Pence encountered fierce resistance from moderate members of his party, the business community, and LGBT advocates.

"Ultimately, he was forced to sign an additional bill acting as an amendment intended to protect LGBT people.[5]

"Pence also signed controversial abortion bills, including one that prohibited abortions if the reason for the procedure was the fetus' race, gender, or disability."

 

[JackDallas]

Does the word "authoritarian" work better for you?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/08/trump-and-authoritarianism/

"AUGUST 8, 2016
"Trump and Authoritarianism
by BERNARD WEINER

• "All over the globe, including here in the U.S., there is a resurgence of muscular authoritarian politics.
• 
  
• "How that trend unfolds and is enforced varies country by country, but the core is recognizably neo-fascist, to a lesser or greater degree, often emerging from the extreme right wing.

• 
  
• "
This rise of authoritarianism is as true in Turkey as it is in Russia, in the turbulent greater Middle East as it is in the Philippines — and, of course, as it is in the Trump movement in America."

The best example of Trump's brand of neo-fascism is probably his VP selection:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pence

"Pence positioned himself as a principled ideologue and supporter of the Tea Party movement, noting he was 'a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order.'[2][3][4]

"In 2012 Pence was elected the 50th Governor of Indiana. He successfully advocated the largest tax cut in Indiana's history, pushed for more funding for education initiatives, and continued to grow the state's budget surplus.

"However, he also stirred several high-profile controversies.

"After signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Pence encountered fierce resistance from moderate members of his party, the business community, and LGBT advocates.

"Ultimately, he was forced to sign an additional bill acting as an amendment intended to protect LGBT people.[5]

"Pence also signed controversial abortion bills, including one that prohibited abortions if the reason for the procedure was the fetus' race, gender, or disability."

Horseshit. Fascism came to this country on January 20th of 2009. We're trying to get rid of the bastards now.

 

[Queen Titania]

Does the word "authoritarian" work better for you?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/08/trump-and-authoritarianism/

"AUGUST 8, 2016
"Trump and Authoritarianism
by BERNARD WEINER

• "All over the globe, including here in the U.S., there is a resurgence of muscular authoritarian politics.
• 
  
• "How that trend unfolds and is enforced varies country by country, but the core is recognizably neo-fascist, to a lesser or greater degree, often emerging from the extreme right wing.

• 
  
• "
This rise of authoritarianism is as true in Turkey as it is in Russia, in the turbulent greater Middle East as it is in the Philippines — and, of course, as it is in the Trump movement in America."

The best example of Trump's brand of neo-fascism is probably his VP selection:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pence

"Pence positioned himself as a principled ideologue and supporter of the Tea Party movement, noting he was 'a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order.'[2][3][4]

"In 2012 Pence was elected the 50th Governor of Indiana. He successfully advocated the largest tax cut in Indiana's history, pushed for more funding for education initiatives, and continued to grow the state's budget surplus.

"However, he also stirred several high-profile controversies.

"After signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Pence encountered fierce resistance from moderate members of his party, the business community, and LGBT advocates.

"Ultimately, he was forced to sign an additional bill acting as an amendment intended to protect LGBT people.[5]

"Pence also signed controversial abortion bills, including one that prohibited abortions if the reason for the procedure was the fetus' race, gender, or disability."

Authoritarian is not the definition fascist - so which is it?

 

[Queen Titania]

Horseshit. Fascism came to this country on January 20th of 2009. We're trying to get rid of the bastards now.

I think that what we are all getting is a nasty mixture of fascism and communism - if I had to choose between the two it would not be communism ( wouldn't like fascism either - to clarify), insidiously imposed we are getting the worst of both, already tried and failed, systems.

 

[georgephillip]

Horseshit. Fascism came to this country on January 20th of 2009. We're trying to get rid of the bastards now.

Is this what we are discussing:

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=fascism

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/
noun

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
   synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy; More
   • (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice."