Thank God for Dan Savage!

[Arkady]

Man, has anyone actually watched Dan Savage's controversial speech? If not, check it out:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/28/Anti-Bully-Savage-Bullies-Christians

That was BRILLIANT. His argument is simple. He says that if you feel like you HAVE to bully gay teens because the Bible condemns homosexuality, you don't. You have a choice. You already choose to reject much of what is in the Bible. You reject the restriction against eating shell-fish, and the commandment about stoning a woman to death if she's not a virgin on her wedding night. You reject the Bible's pro-slavery messages. The Bible got some stuff wrong. Christians all decide to take some stuff from the Bible and reject other stuff. The only question is whether you CHOOSE to accept the anti-gay messages in the Bible, or whether you reject them just as you reject the commandment that you stone a girl to death for having pre-marital sex.

In Republican circles, this is being called "anti-Christian bullying," which is absurd, since at no point in the clip I saw does he attack Christians. He merely calls for people to outgrow one dated, prejudiced aspect of their holy book. That would include Jews as well as Christians. And, by extension, it would include Muslims and any other people who feel compelled to bully gays because some ancient writings tell them to do so. In each religion, people choose which of their ancient writings to set aside and which to cling to. You can make the moral choice to categorize the anti-gay message with the pro-slavery messages and the odd dietary and sacrificial customs, and all the other bits of the Bible that modern people ignore. Or you can choose to be a bigot, and to hold the Bible above your head as justification. It's up to you.

 

[Alinvegas]

Why are you so obsessed with a gay speaker?

 

[NCmusicman]

Dan Savage = HEY You Must Love Gays or I'll Attack You!!!!!

so, yes, I watched it and the only people of character and humanity are the ones that walked out on him.

Man, has anyone actually watched Dan Savage's controversial speech? If not, check it out:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/28/Anti-Bully-Savage-Bullies-Christians

That was BRILLIANT. His argument is simple. He says that if you feel like you HAVE to bully gay teens because the Bible condemns homosexuality, you don't. You have a choice. You already choose to reject much of what is in the Bible. You reject the restriction against eating shell-fish, and the commandment about stoning a woman to death if she's not a virgin on her wedding night. You reject the Bible's pro-slavery messages. The Bible got some stuff wrong. Christians all decide to take some stuff from the Bible and reject other stuff. The only question is whether you CHOOSE to accept the anti-gay messages in the Bible, or whether you reject them just as you reject the commandment that you stone a girl to death for having pre-marital sex.

In Republican circles, this is being called "anti-Christian bullying," which is absurd, since at no point in the clip I saw does he attack Christians. He merely calls for people to outgrow one dated, prejudiced aspect of their holy book. That would include Jews as well as Christians. And, by extension, it would include Muslims and any other people who feel compelled to bully gays because some ancient writings tell them to do so. In each religion, people choose which of their ancient writings to set aside and which to cling to. You can make the moral choice to choose to categorize the anti-gay message with the pro-slavery messages and the odd dietary and sacrificial customs, and all the other bits of the Bible that modern people ignore. Or you can choose to be a bigot, and to hold the Bible above your head as justification. It's up to you.

 

[Doc]

I hope he gets the AIDS!

 

[Gramps]

If I recall correctly the translation into English was selective as to content and some parts were left out entirely. The bible is a contradiction overall. It was another one of those grand ideas that lost its luster because people are people. It reminds of what a fellow once said about sinning -- he wondered if God was watching all the time and if, while he's watching me some other clown is having a ball off the record.

Gramps

Man, has anyone actually watched Dan Savage's controversial speech? If not, check it out:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/28/Anti-Bully-Savage-Bullies-Christians

That was BRILLIANT. His argument is simple. He says that if you feel like you HAVE to bully gay teens because the Bible condemns homosexuality, you don't. You have a choice. You already choose to reject much of what is in the Bible. You reject the restriction against eating shell-fish, and the commandment about stoning a woman to death if she's not a virgin on her wedding night. You reject the Bible's pro-slavery messages. The Bible got some stuff wrong. Christians all decide to take some stuff from the Bible and reject other stuff. The only question is whether you CHOOSE to accept the anti-gay messages in the Bible, or whether you reject them just as you reject the commandment that you stone a girl to death for having pre-marital sex.

In Republican circles, this is being called "anti-Christian bullying," which is absurd, since at no point in the clip I saw does he attack Christians. He merely calls for people to outgrow one dated, prejudiced aspect of their holy book. That would include Jews as well as Christians. And, by extension, it would include Muslims and any other people who feel compelled to bully gays because some ancient writings tell them to do so. In each religion, people choose which of their ancient writings to set aside and which to cling to. You can make the moral choice to choose to categorize the anti-gay message with the pro-slavery messages and the odd dietary and sacrificial customs, and all the other bits of the Bible that modern people ignore. Or you can choose to be a bigot, and to hold the Bible above your head as justification. It's up to you.

 

[Doc]

But, don't "Thank God" for the Left's beloved NAZIFAG...I am pretty certain that they are on opposite teams......

 

[Arkady]

I've posted a single first-tier post about him. Is that obsession? If so, what would you term your fixation on Obama?

 

[Arkady]

I won't attack those who walked out, since they're brainwashed kids, and should be judged gently. But I will say it appears they had a sense that their faith wasn't strong enough to stand up to challenge.

 

[Arkady]

I hope he gets the AIDS!

Why?

 

[Doc]

I won't attack those who walked out, since they're brainwashed kids, and should be judged gently. But I will say it appears they had a sense that their faith wasn't strong enough to stand up to challenge.

What an arrogant, and utterly ignorant thing to say......

But, oh no..the Left is NOT Hostile to them fuckin CHRISTERS!!!!!

 

[Doc]

Because he is a HATE-FILLED FAGGOT who is part of the problem.

(Hey, remember when you guys celebrated the Death of Andrew Brietbart for a week? That, was, like, so cool, and stuff!)

 

[OldGaffer]

Why?

Some folks think being gay is evil and a choice they make.

 

[Drumcollie]

Thank God for Dan Savage!


Isnt GOD awesome? ...the Alpha and Omega, to him which deserves all praise for he is the light and the way. Because without God we wouldnt have the 10 commandments. There shall be no false gods like Gaia and that we have a Bible which guides on how to practice our faith particularly in regards to Homosexuality and for that guidance ...We thank GOD!

 

[Doc]

I got no problem with the man being "Gay."

I have a problem with him being a Hate-filled Fag who attacks Christian Kids....all while supposedly teaching them about "Bullying."

HINT: ATTACKING people, their faith, their families, and their culture...is more likely to get one's ass KICKED, as opposed to limiting any real "bullying...."

 

[Arkady]

The Bible is absolutely full of self-contradictions. Anyone who has made even the slightest effort to actually read the Bible knows that. Here, a simple challenge for anyone reading this post who doesn't believe the Bible contradicts itself: Read Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Now answer a simple question: was Man made before or after the plants and animals?

What you'll realize, if you read those two pages honestly, is that you have two separate stories of the Creation, which differ on key details. In Genesis 1:11-12, God creates the plants, and in Genesis 1:20-25, He creates all the various creatures of the earth other than man, and then, in Genesis 1:26, he decides to create man, to set him above all the other things He has already created. In Genesis 2:5-7, we're told that at a time when no plants had appeared on Earth, God created man. In Genesis 2:19, God gets around to creating the animals, as part of an effort to find man a helper.

If you can't even get two pages into the story without finding such glaring contradictions, it should tell you just how scattered the whole book winds up being. And so EVERY believer has to decide which parts of the Bible he'll accept and which parts he'll reject. Savage's point is that people can and should choose to reject the anti-gay bigotry of the Bible, just as they've rejected so many other things in it. If someone has an argument for why it's good to accept that anti-gay message, then let him make the case, but he can't just say "it's in the Bible, so it must be true," because if he's even remotely familiar with the Bible and even a little bit honest with himself, he knows that not everything in the Bible can be true.

 

[ya-ta-hey]

Man, has anyone actually watched Dan Savage's controversial speech? If not, check it out:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/28/Anti-Bully-Savage-Bullies-Christians

That was BRILLIANT. His argument is simple. He says that if you feel like you HAVE to bully gay teens because the Bible condemns homosexuality, you don't. You have a choice. You already choose to reject much of what is in the Bible. You reject the restriction against eating shell-fish, and the commandment about stoning a woman to death if she's not a virgin on her wedding night. You reject the Bible's pro-slavery messages. The Bible got some stuff wrong. Christians all decide to take some stuff from the Bible and reject other stuff. The only question is whether you CHOOSE to accept the anti-gay messages in the Bible, or whether you reject them just as you reject the commandment that you stone a girl to death for having pre-marital sex.

In Republican circles, this is being called "anti-Christian bullying," which is absurd, since at no point in the clip I saw does he attack Christians. He merely calls for people to outgrow one dated, prejudiced aspect of their holy book. That would include Jews as well as Christians. And, by extension, it would include Muslims and any other people who feel compelled to bully gays because some ancient writings tell them to do so. In each religion, people choose which of their ancient writings to set aside and which to cling to. You can make the moral choice to categorize the anti-gay message with the pro-slavery messages and the odd dietary and sacrificial customs, and all the other bits of the Bible that modern people ignore. Or you can choose to be a bigot, and to hold the Bible above your head as justification. It's up to you.

Mr. Arkaday,

Why anybody would care what a bathouse burgler has to say is beyond me. His only fame to claim is writing about the etiquitte of fisting before a formal dinner, in a column religated to the back pages of free weekly throwaways, between the TV escort services, and the pot ads.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

What an arrogant, and utterly ignorant thing to say......

But, oh no..the Left is NOT Hostile to them fuckin CHRISTERS!!!!!

it's not easy for those of us who've known you for a long time to watch you in the midst of a nervous breakdown. get some help.

 

[zzigzzag]

Conservative philosophy and Christianity have a distinct intersection in their tactics.

They both depend on and bellow irrational fear to raise money. That's why their target audience overlaps where the fear factor has overcome reason. Fundies, racists, bigots and others who need a boogeyman to justify their cultivated fears.

 

[Drumcollie]

Conservative philosophy and Christianity have a distinct intersection in their tactics.

They both depend on and bellow irrational fear to raise money. That's why their target audience overlaps where the fear factor has overcome reason. Fundies, racists, bigots and others who need a boogeyman to justify their cultivated fears.

ou missed the point...Arkady wants you to thank GOD

 

[Arkady]

Which Ten Commandments are you talking about? Exodus 34? If so, are you telling me you actually follow those commandments?

Just in case you're one of those fake believers, who likes to pretend you follow the Bible because it gives you an excuse to be a bigot, rather than someone who actually thinks it's the word of God and thus has fully familiarized himself with the text, I'll do you the favor of sharing it with you here:

And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.... And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.......

1. For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God...
2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.
4. All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male. But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.
5. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
6. And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
7. Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the LORD God, the God of Israel....
8. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
9. The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.
10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

So, tell me honestly, do you REALLY follow the ten commandments. Did you, for example, sacrifice a lamb to God when your first son was born? Do you keep the feast of unleavened bread? Do you avoid any working on the seventh day (Saturday)? Do you observe the Feast of Weeks? Do you bring the first crops from your garden, every year, to church, for God?

Maybe you're a true believer and you really do follow the commandments, as laid down in the Bible. But here's my guess: you happily ignore LOTS of commandments, including the ten written down on the stone tablets by God himself. My guess is that, like most believers, you pick and choose which commandments you like and which you reject. Now, if I'm right, and you choose to reject those that would be inconvenient to you (like sacrificing a lamb when your first son is born) but insist on the commandments that don't inconvenience you at all (like the ones against gay sex, which presumably you didn't want to have, anyway), what does that tell us about you?