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Are socialist mayors “irrelevant” to the US economy, as some pundits assert?

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Photo above - Nithya Raman, the new socialist/Hindu mayor-elect of Los Angeles, campaigned on a promise to allow MORE homeless encampments downtown. Was this motivated by compassion, or was it politically opportunistic?

Fox network is a killjoy. They’re calling for a penalty flag to halt Democrats’ ongoing end zone celebration, after Tuesday's blue Tsunami. I say let the celebration run its course. Nobody likes it when NFL refs throw a yellow flag after a touchdown either.

Conservative news outlets seem to be in denial that – as Florida's outgoing governor Desantis quipped – election day was an “extinction level event” for the Republican party. They're saying to just ignore it, and it will go away by itself?

For the record, I agree with Desantis. Republicans more or less got what they deserved. After, senators and house members spent 2 years of shameless pandering to Trumps ridiculous shenanigans and policies. Pandering just to hold onto their jobs - senate seats, house seats, governorships, and mayor-doms.

Are socialist mayors themselves actually irrelevant though? The evidence is inconclusive so far. America only has one significan socialist in office so far – Mamdani in NYC. He's in a slow motion boxing match with New York's Governor Hochul. Mamdani s demanding that Albany pony up Billions – which it doesn’t have – to pay for his campaign promises of a future so bright New Yawkers will need sunglasses.

Let’s note that Mamdani has been rebuffed in his attempts to impose a cornucopia of new taxes to support his promised giveaways. Not just the “second home” penalty tax, which remains mired in back and forth dueling court decisions. There’s also an unpopular 10% tax hike on everybody else who has a condo or home in the city. This property tax measure apparently only has renters' support. Because renters they don’t understand that higher property taxes on their apartment buildings will mean higher monthly rent assessments.

The ability of mayors – socialist or otherwise – to raise taxes to the moon has always been suspect. People can not only work from home to escape crime, taxes, and problematic schools, but also entire corporations can relocate. Google to find out where the new headquarters of JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Charles Schwab are. And dozens of companies are now bailing on the NY Stock Exchange to have their shares traded on the more affordable TSE (Texas Stock Exchange).

Mamdani’s immediately lesson is that there’s not enough money – and political willpower – for governors to cover all a local politician's’ election promises. Free daycare, free public transit, free housing, free food and healthcare services to everyone claiming permanent sanctuary.

Los Angeles now has a socialist mayor. Nithya Raman ousted Karen Bass, who was perhaps as economically uniformed herself as most socialists. Ms. Raman - good luck trying to get the state legislature in Sacramento to increase Los Angeles’ weekly allowance. The statewide Billionaires surcharge and exit fee was overwhelmingly trounced by voters. State legislators' minds are reeling. They were told by activists that the billionaires' tax was a can't lose/slam dunk.

DC is now under socialist control. The city’s lifeline has always been the federal government. Some possibility for bailouts in this instance. Democrat house and senate majorities will be sympathetic to massive deficit spending by the mayor. And it’s all going to end up as part of the national debt for the rest of us to pay through higher income taxes anyway, isn’t it?

Neither party is talking about how the trillions and trillions in national debt leads to higher mortgage rates, unaffordable housing, and the collapse in new construction.

Seattle, Portland, Providence . . . please let us know how things are turning out. Bernie Sanders – Vermont's millionaire socialist senator – can probably be relied upon to argue your case if local tax money runs dry.

Fox News says the real fun begins when socialists start to win governors' races. And possibly the white house. But that latter result seems far-fetched, unless someone passes a constitutional amendment to allow direct popular election of the president. The claim that congress can nullify the US constitution with a simple floor vote is hilariously uniformed and would result in years of court litigation. And years of campaign fund raising by venal politicians of both parties.

Pop quiz – which states are likely to continue their fantasies of independence from the USA? Texas is now mostly blue, owing to all the blue collar factory migrants who fled California. How about Florida? Cal-exit? Alaska? Rural Oregon counties? Share your theories below.

I'm just sayin' . . .



Zohran Mamdani | Latest News | New York Post

How’s Mamdani Doing? Mayor Releases Mixed City Scorecard (With Adams Assist) | The City Reporter — NYC News
 
A Marxist perspective:

Richard Wolff’s View on Socialist Mayors
    • Historical Precedent: Wolff points out that socialist mayors and local officials are not a new phenomenon in the U.S.

    • "In 1911, for example, 73 U.S. cities had socialist mayors (such as in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and Bridgeport, Connecticut), and historical figures like Fiorello LaGuardia in New York City held socialist-aligned views."
 
as seen on tv said:
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Photo above - Nithya Raman, the new socialist/Hindu mayor-elect of Los Angeles, campaigned on a promise to allow MORE homeless encampments downtown. Was this motivated by compassion, or was it politically opportunistic?

Fox network is a killjoy. They’re calling for a penalty flag to halt Democrats’ ongoing end zone celebration, after Tuesday's blue Tsunami. I say let the celebration run its course. Nobody likes it when NFL refs throw a yellow flag after a touchdown either.

Conservative news outlets seem to be in denial that – as Florida's outgoing governor Desantis quipped – election day was an “extinction level event” for the Republican party. They're saying to just ignore it, and it will go away by itself?

For the record, I agree with Desantis. Republicans more or less got what they deserved. After, senators and house members spent 2 years of shameless pandering to Trumps ridiculous shenanigans and policies. Pandering just to hold onto their jobs - senate seats, house seats, governorships, and mayor-doms.

Are socialist mayors themselves actually irrelevant though? The evidence is inconclusive so far. America only has one significan socialist in office so far – Mamdani in NYC. He's in a slow motion boxing match with New York's Governor Hochul. Mamdani s demanding that Albany pony up Billions – which it doesn’t have – to pay for his campaign promises of a future so bright New Yawkers will need sunglasses.

Let’s note that Mamdani has been rebuffed in his attempts to impose a cornucopia of new taxes to support his promised giveaways. Not just the “second home” penalty tax, which remains mired in back and forth dueling court decisions. There’s also an unpopular 10% tax hike on everybody else who has a condo or home in the city. This property tax measure apparently only has renters' support. Because renters they don’t understand that higher property taxes on their apartment buildings will mean higher monthly rent assessments.

The ability of mayors – socialist or otherwise – to raise taxes to the moon has always been suspect. People can not only work from home to escape crime, taxes, and problematic schools, but also entire corporations can relocate. Google to find out where the new headquarters of JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Charles Schwab are. And dozens of companies are now bailing on the NY Stock Exchange to have their shares traded on the more affordable TSE (Texas Stock Exchange).

Mamdani’s immediately lesson is that there’s not enough money – and political willpower – for governors to cover all a local politician's’ election promises. Free daycare, free public transit, free housing, free food and healthcare services to everyone claiming permanent sanctuary.

Los Angeles now has a socialist mayor. Nithya Raman ousted Karen Bass, who was perhaps as economically uniformed herself as most socialists. Ms. Raman - good luck trying to get the state legislature in Sacramento to increase Los Angeles’ weekly allowance. The statewide Billionaires surcharge and exit fee was overwhelmingly trounced by voters. State legislators' minds are reeling. They were told by activists that the billionaires' tax was a can't lose/slam dunk.

DC is now under socialist control. The city’s lifeline has always been the federal government. Some possibility for bailouts in this instance. Democrat house and senate majorities will be sympathetic to massive deficit spending by the mayor. And it’s all going to end up as part of the national debt for the rest of us to pay through higher income taxes anyway, isn’t it?

Neither party is talking about how the trillions and trillions in national debt leads to higher mortgage rates, unaffordable housing, and the collapse in new construction.

Seattle, Portland, Providence . . . please let us know how things are turning out. Bernie Sanders – Vermont's millionaire socialist senator – can probably be relied upon to argue your case if local tax money runs dry.

Fox News says the real fun begins when socialists start to win governors' races. And possibly the white house. But that latter result seems far-fetched, unless someone passes a constitutional amendment to allow direct popular election of the president. The claim that congress can nullify the US constitution with a simple floor vote is hilariously uniformed and would result in years of court litigation. And years of campaign fund raising by venal politicians of both parties.

Pop quiz – which states are likely to continue their fantasies of independence from the USA? Texas is now mostly blue, owing to all the blue collar factory migrants who fled California. How about Florida? Cal-exit? Alaska? Rural Oregon counties? Share your theories below.

I'm just sayin' . . .



Zohran Mamdani | Latest News | New York Post

How’s Mamdani Doing? Mayor Releases Mixed City Scorecard (With Adams Assist) | The City Reporter — NYC News
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There were opportunist “socialist” leaders like Victor Berger and Fiorello LaGuardia in office for decades … the innovation in modern American history is the recent lack of such leaders in recent times (due to the radicalization of the left wing alongside the witch-hunting marginalization of the pinks). But by the nature of the capitalist system, they become more conservative (and are forced to carry on class war against the working class) when they take office, while efforts to enact radical leftist reform are frustrated by systemic barriers. Usually places with (nominally) socialist leaders tend to have marginally better qualities of life for the majority (as in Berger’s Milwaukee or LaGuardia’s New York City), but only due to inroads against private property that are superficial, easily reversible, and therefore an acceptable sacrifice for the propertied rulers if the alternative is a fiercer class struggle for higher stakes they might lose.
 
georgephillip said:
A Marxist perspective:

Richard Wolff’s View on Socialist Mayors
    • Historical Precedent: Wolff points out that socialist mayors and local officials are not a new phenomenon in the U.S.

    • "In 1911, for example, 73 U.S. cities had socialist mayors (such as in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and Bridgeport, Connecticut), and historical figures like Fiorello LaGuardia in New York City held socialist-aligned views."
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agreed. but did any of these affect the trajectory of US economic policy?
 
EatTheRich said:
There were opportunist “socialist” leaders like Victor Berger and Fiorello LaGuardia in office for decades … the innovation in modern American history is the recent lack of such leaders in recent times (due to the radicalization of the left wing alongside the witch-hunting marginalization of the pinks). But by the nature of the capitalist system, they become more conservative (and are forced to carry on class war against the working class) when they take office, while efforts to enact radical leftist reform are frustrated by systemic barriers. Usually places with (nominally) socialist leaders tend to have marginally better qualities of life for the majority (as in Berger’s Milwaukee or LaGuardia’s New York City), but only due to inroads against private property that are superficial, easily reversible, and therefore an acceptable sacrifice for the propertied rulers if the alternative is a fiercer class struggle for higher stakes they might lose.
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what was laguardia's most important impact on NYC? Other than getting an airport named after himself?
 
as seen on tv said:
View attachment 88654

Photo above - Nithya Raman, the new socialist/Hindu mayor-elect of Los Angeles, campaigned on a promise to allow MORE homeless encampments downtown. Was this motivated by compassion, or was it politically opportunistic?

Fox network is a killjoy. They’re calling for a penalty flag to halt Democrats’ ongoing end zone celebration, after Tuesday's blue Tsunami. I say let the celebration run its course. Nobody likes it when NFL refs throw a yellow flag after a touchdown either.

Conservative news outlets seem to be in denial that – as Florida's outgoing governor Desantis quipped – election day was an “extinction level event” for the Republican party. They're saying to just ignore it, and it will go away by itself?

For the record, I agree with Desantis. Republicans more or less got what they deserved. After, senators and house members spent 2 years of shameless pandering to Trumps ridiculous shenanigans and policies. Pandering just to hold onto their jobs - senate seats, house seats, governorships, and mayor-doms.

Are socialist mayors themselves actually irrelevant though? The evidence is inconclusive so far. America only has one significan socialist in office so far – Mamdani in NYC. He's in a slow motion boxing match with New York's Governor Hochul. Mamdani s demanding that Albany pony up Billions – which it doesn’t have – to pay for his campaign promises of a future so bright New Yawkers will need sunglasses.

Let’s note that Mamdani has been rebuffed in his attempts to impose a cornucopia of new taxes to support his promised giveaways. Not just the “second home” penalty tax, which remains mired in back and forth dueling court decisions. There’s also an unpopular 10% tax hike on everybody else who has a condo or home in the city. This property tax measure apparently only has renters' support. Because renters they don’t understand that higher property taxes on their apartment buildings will mean higher monthly rent assessments.

The ability of mayors – socialist or otherwise – to raise taxes to the moon has always been suspect. People can not only work from home to escape crime, taxes, and problematic schools, but also entire corporations can relocate. Google to find out where the new headquarters of JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Charles Schwab are. And dozens of companies are now bailing on the NY Stock Exchange to have their shares traded on the more affordable TSE (Texas Stock Exchange).

Mamdani’s immediately lesson is that there’s not enough money – and political willpower – for governors to cover all a local politician's’ election promises. Free daycare, free public transit, free housing, free food and healthcare services to everyone claiming permanent sanctuary.

Los Angeles now has a socialist mayor. Nithya Raman ousted Karen Bass, who was perhaps as economically uniformed herself as most socialists. Ms. Raman - good luck trying to get the state legislature in Sacramento to increase Los Angeles’ weekly allowance. The statewide Billionaires surcharge and exit fee was overwhelmingly trounced by voters. State legislators' minds are reeling. They were told by activists that the billionaires' tax was a can't lose/slam dunk.

DC is now under socialist control. The city’s lifeline has always been the federal government. Some possibility for bailouts in this instance. Democrat house and senate majorities will be sympathetic to massive deficit spending by the mayor. And it’s all going to end up as part of the national debt for the rest of us to pay through higher income taxes anyway, isn’t it?

Neither party is talking about how the trillions and trillions in national debt leads to higher mortgage rates, unaffordable housing, and the collapse in new construction.

Seattle, Portland, Providence . . . please let us know how things are turning out. Bernie Sanders – Vermont's millionaire socialist senator – can probably be relied upon to argue your case if local tax money runs dry.

Fox News says the real fun begins when socialists start to win governors' races. And possibly the white house. But that latter result seems far-fetched, unless someone passes a constitutional amendment to allow direct popular election of the president. The claim that congress can nullify the US constitution with a simple floor vote is hilariously uniformed and would result in years of court litigation. And years of campaign fund raising by venal politicians of both parties.

Pop quiz – which states are likely to continue their fantasies of independence from the USA? Texas is now mostly blue, owing to all the blue collar factory migrants who fled California. How about Florida? Cal-exit? Alaska? Rural Oregon counties? Share your theories below.

I'm just sayin' . . .



Zohran Mamdani | Latest News | New York Post

How’s Mamdani Doing? Mayor Releases Mixed City Scorecard (With Adams Assist) | The City Reporter — NYC News
Click to expand...

His Rent Freeze is a total cluster
 
as seen on tv said:
agreed. but did any of these affect the trajectory of US economic policy?
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"Between 1900 and 1940, over 1,000 socialist officials were elected or appointed across 348 cities and towns, and 146 cities elected socialist mayors."

https://ssha2023.ssha.org/uploads/230741

During this general time period, Oklahoma had more socialists in its state legislature than any other US state. While these gains did not produce a worker revolution, "they acted as a (national) policy incubator."

GoogleAI Overview:

"1. The Blueprint for National Workplace Rights
Before 1911, the prevailing corporate philosophy was a form of economic Social Darwinism where the government rarely intervened in labor disputes. Socialist municipal administrations aggressively challenged this. [1]
    • "Workers' Compensation: In 1911, Milwaukee's Socialist City Attorney (and future mayor) Daniel Hoan authored the nation's first workers' compensation law in Wisconsin. Capitalists sued, but the law was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, paving the way for it to become a mandatory standard across all 50 states. [1]
    • The 8-Hour Workday & Minimum Wage: Mayors like Emil Seidel (Milwaukee, elected 1910) and George R. Lunn (Schenectady, NY, elected 1911) mandated an 8-hour workday and increased minimum wages for municipal employees and contractors. This proved to a skeptical nation that compressed work weeks did not cause economic collapse, setting a direct precedent for the federal Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938."
    I suppose it might be accurate to claim socialist mayors and others paved they way for the New Deal :eek:
 
as seen on tv said:
what was laguardia's most important impact on NYC? Other than getting an airport named after himself?
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Probably putting up public housing, but he also helped break Tammany Hall’s power, built a world-class public subway system, and helped lead the push to desegregate Major League Baseball.
 
georgephillip said:
"Between 1900 and 1940, over 1,000 socialist officials were elected or appointed across 348 cities and towns, and 146 cities elected socialist mayors."

https://ssha2023.ssha.org/uploads/230741

During this general time period, Oklahoma had more socialists in its state legislature than any other US state. While these gains did not produce a worker revolution, "they acted as a (national) policy incubator."

GoogleAI Overview:

"1. The Blueprint for National Workplace Rights
Before 1911, the prevailing corporate philosophy was a form of economic Social Darwinism where the government rarely intervened in labor disputes. Socialist municipal administrations aggressively challenged this. [1]
    • "Workers' Compensation: In 1911, Milwaukee's Socialist City Attorney (and future mayor) Daniel Hoan authored the nation's first workers' compensation law in Wisconsin. Capitalists sued, but the law was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, paving the way for it to become a mandatory standard across all 50 states. [1]
    • The 8-Hour Workday & Minimum Wage: Mayors like Emil Seidel (Milwaukee, elected 1910) and George R. Lunn (Schenectady, NY, elected 1911) mandated an 8-hour workday and increased minimum wages for municipal employees and contractors. This proved to a skeptical nation that compressed work weeks did not cause economic collapse, setting a direct precedent for the federal Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938."
    I suppose it might be accurate to claim socialist mayors and others paved they way for the New Deal :eek:
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BIG difference between 1940 and 2026
 
Dawg said:
BIG difference between 1940 and 2026
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Perhaps the BIGGEST?
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https://www.virginmedia.com/the-edit/tech-and-connectivity/history-of-the-internet
 
EatTheRich said:
Probably putting up public housing, but he also helped break Tammany Hall’s power, built a world-class public subway system, and helped lead the push to desegregate Major League Baseball.
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why does private constructed housing end up being so much popular, and longer lasting than public housing, which repeatedlly turn out to be instant slums?
 
EatTheRich said:
Probably putting up public housing, but he also helped break Tammany Hall’s power, built a world-class public subway system, and helped lead the push to desegregate Major League Baseball.
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Public housing-------HOODs
where firefighters refuse to go w/out SWAT
 
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