So wind farms don't work....

[Wahbooz]

Well those who think so should see the wind farms of Vietnam. But then Vietnam is not beholden to the oil companies. Ninh Thuan, Nha Trang, Bac Lieu, the Mekong Delta...... just to name a few. The country is dotted with them, and more are planned. A Malaysian developer invests $800m in wind energy in Vietnam.

I guess it doesn't work.

 

[UPNYA2]

Well those who think so should see the wind farms of Vietnam. But then Vietnam is not beholden to the oil companies. Ninh Thuan, Nha Trang, Bac Lieu, the Mekong Delta...... just to name a few. The country is dotted with them, and more are planned. A Malaysian developer invests $800m in wind energy in Vietnam.

I guess it doesn't work.

Well those who think so should see the wind farms off of Nantucket.......

Oh..........right........

"I guess it doesn't work."

Not for EVERYONE.

 

[as seen on tv]

wind farms do work.

but its not clear why US taxpayers should subsidize them. we don't subsidize gulf oil drilling, fracking, or other energy sources.

 

[Craig]

wind farms do work.

but its not clear why US taxpayers should subsidize them. we don't subsidize gulf oil drilling, fracking, or other energy sources.

We subsidize nearly every aspect of our energy. Oil companies get 4 billion a year. The TVA. Ethanol. Solar credits. Fracking.


...But those who helped pioneer the technique known as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, recall a different path. Over three decades, from the shale fields of Texas and Wyoming to the Marcellus in the Northeast, the federal government contributed more than $100 million in research to develop fracking, and billions more in tax breaks.

Now, those industry pioneers say their own effort shows that the government should back research into future sources of energy — for decades, if need be — to promote breakthroughs. For all its success now, many people in the oil and gas industry itself once thought shale gas was a waste of time...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/23/fracking-developed-government_n_1907178.html

 

[Zam-Zam]

Well those who think so should see the wind farms of Vietnam. But then Vietnam is not beholden to the oil companies. Ninh Thuan, Nha Trang, Bac Lieu, the Mekong Delta...... just to name a few. The country is dotted with them, and more are planned. A Malaysian developer invests $800m in wind energy in Vietnam.

I guess it doesn't work.

Wind farms, like every other form of energy, is neither all good nor all bad:


http://sites.duke.edu/windenergy2012/comparison/



Is it part of the solution? Yes. Is it the entire solution? No.

 

[Wahbooz]

Well those who think so should see the wind farms off of Nantucket.......

Oh..........right........

"I guess it doesn't work."

Not for EVERYONE.

Mired into the oil companies.

 

[Wahbooz]

Wind farms, like every other form of energy, is neither all good nor all bad:


http://sites.duke.edu/windenergy2012/comparison/



Is it part of the solution? Yes. Is it the entire solution? No.

At least you're willing to go so far as say it is part of the solution. Eventually those stuck in a 'crude' society will be gone, and others may very well take their places.

 

[Figjam]

Well those who think so should see the wind farms of Vietnam. But then Vietnam is not beholden to the oil companies. Ninh Thuan, Nha Trang, Bac Lieu, the Mekong Delta...... just to name a few. The country is dotted with them, and more are planned. A Malaysian developer invests $800m in wind energy in Vietnam.

I guess it doesn't work.

...wind farms work well as does roof-top and utility-scale PV Solar - we are heading in this direction with some reliability issues to overcome as our supply mix evolves over the upcoming decade(s).

...we will get there as markets and consumers adapt and technology innovations take shape...

 

[kristahiles111]

Wind farms is a another form of energy. It neither all good or not all bad. Its depends on our need.

sterling-energy.com

 

[freyasman]

Well those who think so should see the wind farms of Vietnam. But then Vietnam is not beholden to the oil companies. Ninh Thuan, Nha Trang, Bac Lieu, the Mekong Delta...... just to name a few. The country is dotted with them, and more are planned. A Malaysian developer invests $800m in wind energy in Vietnam.

I guess it doesn't work.

I was under the impression that wind energy was dependent on location. Some areas have strong wind patterns and some don't, and if it's not an area that has a lot of constant wind, then it doesn't pay to try to set up a wind farm in that area. Is that wrong?

 

[zzigzzag]

I was under the impression that wind energy was dependent on location. Some areas have strong wind patterns and some don't, and if it's not an area that has a lot of constant wind, then it doesn't pay to try to set up a wind farm in that area. Is that wrong?

Maybe we could put the windmills where the wind is and transfer the energy to less windy areas with wires? Kinda like we do with Niagara Falls?

 

[freyasman]

Maybe we could put the windmills where the wind is and transfer the energy to less windy areas with wires? Kinda like we do with Niagara Falls?

Makes sense to me. What I've read on the subject is that the problem isn't generating energy so much as storing it, or transferring it efficiently. As technology advances, I'm sure these issues will get resolved.

 

[marvin martian]

They might work great, especially when someone else pays for them, as in your example.

 

[lupehernandezdepedajack]

...wind farms work well as does roof-top and utility-scale PV Solar - we are heading in this direction with some reliability issues to overcome as our supply mix evolves over the upcoming decade(s).

...we will get there as markets and consumers adapt and technology innovations take shape...

I really like the idea of roof top solar panels someone should pass a law exempting them from HOA regulations.

I really hate hearing about Eagles and other birds being killed by the windmills though

 

[Figjam]

I really like the idea of roof top solar panels someone should pass a law exempting them from HOA regulations.

I really hate hearing about Eagles and other birds being killed by the windmills though

...there are some very unobtrusive panel designs now. However, a standard PV Solar installation is not a problem to me.

It is good not to live in one of those HOA-governed internment camps!

 

[lupehernandezdepedajack]

We subsidize nearly every aspect of our energy. Oil companies get 4 billion a year. The TVA. Ethanol. Solar credits. Fracking.


...But those who helped pioneer the technique known as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, recall a different path. Over three decades, from the shale fields of Texas and Wyoming to the Marcellus in the Northeast, the federal government contributed more than $100 million in research to develop fracking, and billions more in tax breaks.

Now, those industry pioneers say their own effort shows that the government should back research into future sources of energy — for decades, if need be — to promote breakthroughs. For all its success now, many people in the oil and gas industry itself once thought shale gas was a waste of time...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/23/fracking-developed-government_n_1907178.html

I always like hearing about all the oil companys' 4 billion dollar subsidies especially considering Exxon paid 39 billion in taxes last year Chevron 20 something Billion, Conoco Phillips also paid multi billions not to mention the high paying jobs they bring us. The subsidies are a drop in the bucket compared to what they bring in maybe these subsidies are an incentive to keep jobs here I don't know but in the overall scheme they don't amount to much

 

[Craig]

I always like hearing about all the oil companys' 4 billion dollar subsidies especially considering Exxon paid 39 billion in taxes last year Chevron 20 something Billion, Conoco Phillips also paid multi billions not to mention the high paying jobs they bring us. The subsidies are a drop in the bucket compared to what they bring in maybe these subsidies are an incentive to keep jobs here I don't know but in the overall scheme they don't amount to much

You may find the percentage of the subsidy small, but you still find it.

Regardless, as ASOT mentioned that the US does not subsidize fracking...and I posted an article stating that the US subsidized fracking...you for some reason felt compelled to explain that the subsidy oil companies receive is small.

Now...one can use the percentage...or one can use the figure when arguing. People do it both ways depending on the goal. Your goal is to minimize 4 billion dollars of tax dollars going to massive international corporations. My goal was to explain to ASOT that we subsidize energy in the US.

 

[Bo-4]

we don't subsidize gulf oil drilling, fracking, or other energy sources.

Huh? ... oh yes we do!

 

[lupehernandezdepedajack]

You may find the percentage of the subsidy small, but you still find it.

Regardless, as ASOT mentioned that the US does not subsidize fracking...and I posted an article stating that the US subsidized fracking...you for some reason felt compelled to explain that the subsidy oil companies receive is small.

Now...one can use the percentage...or one can use the figure when arguing. People do it both ways depending on the goal. Your goal is to minimize 4 billion dollars of tax dollars going to massive international corporations. My goal was to explain to ASOT that we subsidize energy in the US.

I am not arguing the subsidy. I would kind of question it myself as these big companies benefit little in the overall scheme of their business. But it would be interesting to know what incentives are involved in the subsidies I really have no idea

 

[Craig]

I am not arguing the subsidy. I would kind of question it myself as these big companies benefit little in the overall scheme of their business. But it would be inetresting to know what incentives are involved in the subsidies I really have no idea

One can argue/surmise/discuss that the oil companies "drop in the bucket" shouldn't make any difference at all to the actions of the giant conglomerates. But if someone wants to give you money...

Regardless, I consider most of these subsidies part of the pact the government has regarding general welfare. It benefits the country to have abundant energy resources; that energy being required for so many of the activities we engage in the 21st century.

I have long advocated for a more personal approach to energy use. I can see no reason why every home built in the southwest US in the last 20 years didn't have solar panels as part of the original design. Perhaps not capable of driving every aspect of every household, they would still provide enough electricity to make demands on the grid more manageable. The grid then would be more available to manufacturers and institutions with greater demands than solar and other alternatives could muster.