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Hillary voted to invade Iraq....

justoffal said:
http://crooksandliars.com/2008/01/14/hillary-clinton-defends-her-2002-iraq-war-vote-through-attack

For those who don't remember and like to stroll though life with an entourage of straw men to pull out at convenient times so as to make their otherwise invalid arguments valid.

Read it and weep,.

JO
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Your link is strong testimony on how intelligent and perceptive Obama was and is! He is by far one of the most intelligent and reasoned presidents in US history. And yes he had it 100% right on Iraq before the invasion. Bush had it 100% wrong. Clinton said if my president feels this strongly about something i must support my president! (Dumb, considering the moron who was president at that time)
 
JO, as is always the case in your posts, you're completely wrong. I challenge you to show me anywhere that Congress, let alone Hillary Clinton all by herself, took a vote to " invade and occupy" Iraq.
 

Killary has two faces....both ugly

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
 
Jen said:
They will NEVER admit to it.
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Of course not, but actually there's good reason.

A sociopath is often well liked because of their charm and high charisma, but they do not usually care about other people. They think mainly of themselves and often blame others for the things that they do. They have a complete disregard for rules and lie constantly. They seldom feel guilt or learn from punishments. Though some sociopaths have become murders, most reveal their sociopathy through less deadly and sensational means.
 
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Boca said:
Of course not, but actually there's good reason.

A sociopath is often well liked because of their charm and high charisma, but they do not usually care about other people. They think mainly of themselves and often blame others for the things that they do. They have a complete disregard for rules and lie constantly. They seldom feel guilt or learn from punishments. Though some sociopaths have become murders, most reveal their sociopathy through less deadly and sensational means.
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Boca i thought this thread was a criticism of Dems instead you post a perfect description of Righties, especially some Righties on PJ! What gives?
 
As another poster here once said:

Hello? If both the president and Congress approve a war, they share responsibility for it. It's not one or the other.

What's confusing about that?

https://www.politicaljack.com/threads/the-pugs-take-on-syria-is-quite-amusing-no.57535/page-3


I replied with this:



Really? Interesting.....


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush turns his attention on Friday to the United Nations after the Senate joined the House in strong votes authorizing a possible U.S. attack on Iraq.

The Republican-led House and Democratic-led Senate by wide margins approved the resolution that Bush wanted to reinforce his demand that the U.N. Security Council threaten the use of force, if necessary, to enforce its requirements that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein abandon programs for biological, chemical or nuclear weapons.

"The Congress has spoken clearly to the international community and the United Nations Security Council," Bush said in a statement issued after the early-hours vote.

"Saddam Hussein and his outlaw regime pose a grave threat to the region, the world, and the United States. Inaction is not an option, disarmament is a must," Bush said.
The House earlier Thursday passed the resolution 296-133 after three days of debate.

Under intense pressure from the White House, which wanted a big bipartisan majority in Congress to strengthen its hand in its confrontation with Iraq, the Democratic-led Senate passed the war powers resolution, 77-23.


Complete text: http://rense.com/general30/grant.htm



Funny thing, they never got back to me after that.
 
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Zoar said:
Your link is strong testimony on how intelligent and perceptive Obama was and is! He is by far one of the most intelligent and reasoned presidents in US history. And yes he had it 100% right on Iraq before the invasion. Bush had it 100% wrong. Clinton said if my president feels this strongly about something i must support my president! (Dumb, considering the moron who was president at that time)
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By and large it doesn't take a genius to figure out what most of the recent wars have been about....and it sure as hell isn't about spreading democracy or defending the innocents. They are corporate wars fought for the benefit of the big banks and nothing more.

Whether Obama is wise to this or not I can't say.....but I never said that all of his stuff was wrong...only most of it. If he knows that and because of that shy's away from military involvement...then Kudos to him....for that I will pat him on the back.

He does have some redeeming features not the least of which in my mind is the ability to take a podium somewhere and not look like he's illiterate. I know to some that may not matter but It matters to me.
 
justoffal said:
By and large it doesn't take a genius to figure out what most of the recent wars have been about....and it sure as hell isn't about spreading democracy or defending the innocents. They are corporate wars fought for the benefit of the big banks and nothing more.

Whether Obama is wise to this or not I can't say.....but I never said that all of his stuff was wrong...only most of it. If he knows that and because of that shy's away from military involvement...then Kudos to him....for that I will pat him on the back.

He does have some redeeming features not the least of which in my mind is the ability to take a podium somewhere and not look like he's illiterate. I know to some that may not matter but It matters to me.
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Wow, yout best post! Congrats!
 
Boca said:
Killary has two faces....both ugly

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
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It looks like some of those WMD from Iraq are being used now in Syria.....and may in fact have passed through BenGhazi where they were siezed by the unintended people.....no [Unwelcome language removed] wonder they made all of the survivors sign shut-up sheets.

JO
 
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justoffal said:
It looks like some of those WMD from Iraq are being used now in Syria.....and may in fact have passed through BenGhazi where they were siezed by the unintended people.....no [Unwelcome language removed] wonder they made all of the survivors sign shut sheets.

JO
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Wow, you just totally and completely UNDID the sanity and sensibility of your prior post. Can you be any more right wing propaganda insane?
 
Zoar said:
Wow, you just totally and completely UNDID the sanity and sensibility of your prior post. Can you be any more right wing propaganda insane?
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Well I am still convinced that a convoy full of WMD went from Iraq to syria....
Even so....I don't justify the Iraq war and never did. I always hated it from day one
and spent the latter part of the Bush Presidency cursing him for it. Also you should realize that a DC politician is just that .. a DC politician... Something stinks about BenGhazi and it should not be outside the sphere of your critical thinking abilities to assume that some lying, hiding, and treachery went on there. It doesn't pay to worship an office holder Zoar....they will throw you under the bus when they need to no matter who they are...Obama will do it too.

IMO...the whole war was payback for causing property damage to the Bush family oil fields in Kuwait.

JO
 
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justoffal said:
Well I am still convinced that a convoy full of WMD went from Iraq to syria....
Even so....I don't justify the Iraq war and never did. I always hated it from day one
and spent the latter part of the Bush Presidency cursing him for it. Also you should realize that a DC politician is just that .. a DC politician... Something stinks about BenGhazi and it should not be outside the spehre of your critical thinking abilities to assume that some lying, hiding, and treachery went on there. It doesn't pay to worship an office holder Zoar....they will throw you under the bus when they need to no matter who they are...Obama will do it too.

IMO...the whole war was payback for causing property damage to the Bush family oil fields in Kuwait.

JO
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UGH. Every source trying to reveal any proof that Saddam even had a Chem weapons program before the invasion turned up ZERO, ZILCH, NONE. In fact the US Military and Intelligence people wrote books after this hunt and said they were amazed at how far away Saddam was from ever reconstituting his Chem weapons capability!!!! You can't have this Right Wing Conspiracy Convoy of Chem Weapons when there is NO way to make them or get them!
 
They came from somewhere....Syria apparently can't make them in country either.

Maybe NK? Remember...it's no so much the chemistry as it is the delivery system.

Where did the Delivery systems come from?
 
Zoar said:
UGH. Every source trying to reveal any proof that Saddam even had a Chem weapons program before the invasion turned up ZERO, ZILCH, NONE. In fact the US Military and Intelligence people wrote books after this hunt and said they were amazed at how far away Saddam was from ever reconstituting his Chem weapons capability!!!! You can't have this Right Wing Conspiracy Convoy of Chem Weapons when there is NO way to make them or get them!
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(Phone ringing)… Excuse me it’s your village, they want their idiot back!

Remember village idiot you have twenty nine Democrats senators to thank for going to war in Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
 
justoffal said:
It looks like some of those WMD from Iraq are being used now in Syria.....and may in fact have passed through BenGhazi where they were siezed by the unintended people.....no [Unwelcome language removed] wonder they made all of the survivors sign shut-up sheets.
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I don't know about Iraq WMD passing through Libya, but it's almost a certainty what we supplied the Libyan rebels was being forwarded to the Syrian rebels, a.k.a. Al-Queada.

As for Iraq's WMD that disappeared,, there's a strong likelihood it's been in Syria for ten years according to General George's

And for the life of me I can't understand why a President of the United States would be itching to support an al-Queada led rebellion in Syria....unless of course he were a Muslim and had supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt?
 
justoffal said:
http://crooksandliars.com/2008/01/14/hillary-clinton-defends-her-2002-iraq-war-vote-through-attack

For those who don't remember and like to stroll though life with an entourage of straw men to pull out at convenient times so as to make their otherwise invalid arguments valid.

Read it and weep,.

JO
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...so, she was wrong on Iraq then - just like I think Obama is wrong on Syria now -

...a "liberal" poster that doesn't agree with a "liberal" politicians position on an issue? Wow - what a concept - for "conservatives" that is...
 
Boca said:
I don't know about Iraq WMD passing through Libya, but it's almost a certainty what we supplied the Libyan rebels was being forwarded to the Syrian rebels, a.k.a. Al-Queada.

As for Iraq's WMD that disappeared,, there's a strong likelihood it's been in Syria for ten years according to General George's

And for the life of me I can't understand why a President of the United States would be itching to support an al-Queada led rebellion in Syria....unless of course he were a Muslim and had supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt?
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Why do you seem to always play stupid??? The use of Chemical Warfare agents IS a national threat and a threat that all humans across the planet have agreed for a hundred years is NOT TO BE TOLERATED without consequences! Do I need to repeat this 27 times or can I depend upon you to read this and absorb it and please stop repeating the same lame stupid dumb question about you don't understand??
 
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