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Zam-Zam

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….Will there be more?


Michigan Democratic Rep. Brenda Lawrence, a prominent supporter of Kamala Harris who has previously supported the impeachment inquiry into President Trump, abruptly announced Sunday that she no longer saw any "value" in the process and called for her fellow Democrats to throw their support behind a symbolic censure resolution.

Lawrence's about-face came as polls have shown that independents are souring on the idea of impeaching and removing Trump from office, including in critical battleground states like Wisconsin, even as House Democrats aggressively presented their focus-group-tested "bribery" case against the president over the past two weeks.

"We are so close to an election," Lawrence said Sunday on a Michigan radio program, noting that Trump stands little chance of being convicted by the GOP-controlled Senate. "I will tell you, sitting here knowing how divided this country is, I don't see the value of taking him out of office. But I do see the value of putting down a marker saying his behavior is not acceptable. It's in violation of the oath of office of a president of the United States, and we have to be clear that you cannot use your power of the presidency to withhold funds to get a foreign country to investigate an American citizen for your own personal gain. There's no way around that."


Complete text: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ho...olls-show-declining-support-i-want-to-censure


Trouble in impeachment paradise?

:p
 
Zam-Zam said:
….Will there be more?


Michigan Democratic Rep. Brenda Lawrence, a prominent supporter of Kamala Harris who has previously supported the impeachment inquiry into President Trump, abruptly announced Sunday that she no longer saw any "value" in the process and called for her fellow Democrats to throw their support behind a symbolic censure resolution.

Lawrence's about-face came as polls have shown that independents are souring on the idea of impeaching and removing Trump from office, including in critical battleground states like Wisconsin, even as House Democrats aggressively presented their focus-group-tested "bribery" case against the president over the past two weeks.

"We are so close to an election," Lawrence said Sunday on a Michigan radio program, noting that Trump stands little chance of being convicted by the GOP-controlled Senate. "I will tell you, sitting here knowing how divided this country is, I don't see the value of taking him out of office. But I do see the value of putting down a marker saying his behavior is not acceptable. It's in violation of the oath of office of a president of the United States, and we have to be clear that you cannot use your power of the presidency to withhold funds to get a foreign country to investigate an American citizen for your own personal gain. There's no way around that."


Complete text: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ho...olls-show-declining-support-i-want-to-censure


Trouble in impeachment paradise?

:p
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I wonder if it's that, or if the Democrats are finally figuring out that these "investigations" are exposing far more Democratic evildoing than they ever wanted exposed.
 
marvin martian said:
I wonder if it's that, or if the Democrats are finally figuring out that these "investigations" are exposing far more Democratic evildoing than they ever wanted exposed.
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Agreed...I have been saying that for some time.

A Senate trial with certain witnesses on the stand is a huge risk for the Democratic Party. Pelosi isn't stupid.
 
Zam-Zam said:
….Will there be more?


Michigan Democratic Rep. Brenda Lawrence, a prominent supporter of Kamala Harris who has previously supported the impeachment inquiry into President Trump, abruptly announced Sunday that she no longer saw any "value" in the process and called for her fellow Democrats to throw their support behind a symbolic censure resolution.

Lawrence's about-face came as polls have shown that independents are souring on the idea of impeaching and removing Trump from office, including in critical battleground states like Wisconsin, even as House Democrats aggressively presented their focus-group-tested "bribery" case against the president over the past two weeks.

"We are so close to an election," Lawrence said Sunday on a Michigan radio program, noting that Trump stands little chance of being convicted by the GOP-controlled Senate. "I will tell you, sitting here knowing how divided this country is, I don't see the value of taking him out of office. But I do see the value of putting down a marker saying his behavior is not acceptable. It's in violation of the oath of office of a president of the United States, and we have to be clear that you cannot use your power of the presidency to withhold funds to get a foreign country to investigate an American citizen for your own personal gain. There's no way around that."


Complete text: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ho...olls-show-declining-support-i-want-to-censure


Trouble in impeachment paradise?

:p
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She’s not the first Dem in a swing district to get weak in the knees and suggest the nation should let Trump slide despite his crime spree.

Quite shameful.
 
marvin martian said:
I wonder if it's that, or if the Democrats are finally figuring out that these "investigations" are exposing far more Democratic evildoing than they ever wanted exposed.
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Oh yes, libs are realizing their hearings are bringing more fraud of them than Trump and they don't want it to lead to more in the Senate:


pile of schiff
 
marvin martian said:
I wonder if it's that, or if the Democrats are finally figuring out that these "investigations" are exposing far more Democratic evildoing than they ever wanted exposed.
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Perhaps a trial balloon being floated.

She is offering up an exit strategy - "Censure" - A way to save face, although ultimately toothless. Imagine a resolution declaring Congressional Democrats disapprove of Trump: Not exactly a earth-shaking revelation. Nonetheless, it does provide a way out of what may become a murky quagmire for Dems in more vulnerable districts.

David Faris, no friend of the Trump administration, wrote a piece for The Week with the ominous title "Democrats, Don't Hand Impeachment to Mitch McConnell" Indeed, the looming specter of a Senate trial is something many on the left may be dreading....In the House, Adam Schiff is calling the shots, but Dems don't run the show in the Upper Chamber. Witnesses that Mr. Schiff didn't want to hear from will likely be called and put under oath, and that might lead somewhere the DNC doesn't want it to go....

This is so darned entertaining. On with the show!
 
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Jets said:
Lawrence represents a heavily Democratic district that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton won with a roughly 60% margin in the 2016 presidential election. The district has not been represented by a Republican since 1948.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house-democrat-backs-down-from-impeachment-i-dont-see-the-value-of-kicking-him-out-of-office?_amp=true

One would have expected this from someone in a district won by Trump...
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In a way, that makes her the perfect choice to launch a trial balloon. She's not a vulnerable candidate, and won't be harmed if it ultimately crashes and burns.

And if it becomes a movement that catches on, she can attach her name to it. She's somewhat unknown outside of her district, this might be a way to garner national attention, should she have higher aspirations down the road.
 
Zam-Zam said:
….Will there be more?


Michigan Democratic Rep. Brenda Lawrence, a prominent supporter of Kamala Harris who has previously supported the impeachment inquiry into President Trump, abruptly announced Sunday that she no longer saw any "value" in the process and called for her fellow Democrats to throw their support behind a symbolic censure resolution.

Lawrence's about-face came as polls have shown that independents are souring on the idea of impeaching and removing Trump from office, including in critical battleground states like Wisconsin, even as House Democrats aggressively presented their focus-group-tested "bribery" case against the president over the past two weeks.

"We are so close to an election," Lawrence said Sunday on a Michigan radio program, noting that Trump stands little chance of being convicted by the GOP-controlled Senate. "I will tell you, sitting here knowing how divided this country is, I don't see the value of taking him out of office. But I do see the value of putting down a marker saying his behavior is not acceptable. It's in violation of the oath of office of a president of the United States, and we have to be clear that you cannot use your power of the presidency to withhold funds to get a foreign country to investigate an American citizen for your own personal gain. There's no way around that."


Complete text: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ho...olls-show-declining-support-i-want-to-censure


Trouble in impeachment paradise?

:p
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So she says it's about getting elected and not principles. Glad I was sitting down for that one!
 
Zam-Zam said:
Perhaps a trial balloon being floated.

She is offering up an exit strategy - "Censure" - A way to save face, although ultimately toothless. Imagine a resolution declaring Congressional Democrats disapprove of Trump: Not exactly a earth-shaking revelation. Nonetheless, it does provide a way out of what may become a murky quagmire for Dems in more vulnerable districts.

David Faris, no friend of the Trump administration, wrote a piece for The Week with the ominous title "Democrats, Don't Hand Impeachment to Mitch McConnell" Indeed, the looking specter of a Senate trial is something many on the left may be dreading....In the House, Adam Schiff is calling the shots, but Dems don't run the show in the Upper Chamber. Witnesses that Mr. Schiff didn't want to hear from will likely be called and put under oath, and that might lead somewhere the DNC doesn't want it to go....

This is so darned entertaining. On with the show!
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I have to wonder, did they not realize the impeachment process requires a trial in the Senate? Were they hoping the president would resign if he were impeached in the House?

I know they are not smart people, but are the left really that dumb? It gives a lot of credence to the theory that Trump's presidency has provoked actual mental illness among leftists.
 
marvin martian said:
I have to wonder, did they not realize the impeachment process requires a trial in the Senate? Were they hoping the president would resign if he were impeached in the House?

I know they are not smart people, but are the left really that dumb? It gives a lot of credence to the theory that Trump's presidency has provoked actual mental illness among leftists.
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They likely thought it would be going better for them than it has been at this point. Politicians are continually doing internal polling, and my guess it isn't telling them what they want to hear.

And so, the need for a plausible exit strategy.
 
Zam-Zam said:
They likely thought it would be going better for them than it has been at this point. Politicians are continually doing internal polling, and my guess it isn't telling them what they want to hear.

And so, the need for a plausible exit strategy.
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Again, though, did they not realize that the absolute best possible outcome would be a trial in the Senate? I have to wonder about not only their intelligence, but their sanity, if they didn't realize that.
 
Zam-Zam said:
In a way, that makes her the perfect choice to launch a trial balloon. She's not a vulnerable candidate, and won't be harmed if it ultimately crashes and burns.

And if it becomes a movement that catches on, she can attach her name to it. She's somewhat unknown outside of her district, this might be a way to garner national attention, should she have higher aspirations down the road.
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Agreed. One wonders if this is an anomaly or the beginning of a trend.
 
Bugsy McGurk said:
That’s the view of a couple of Dems and 100% of the GOP congressional delegation.

Shameful, right?
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The shameful part is it's looking like this coup will be put down before it even makes it to the Senate, depriving us of your utter humiliation when they toss it for having no substance.
 
marvin martian said:
Again, though, did they not realize that the absolute best possible outcome would be a trial in the Senate? I have to wonder about not only their intelligence, but their sanity, if they didn't realize that.
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Someone agrees with you: Rep. Debbie Lesko, R-Ariz.


"Brenda Lawrence is my Democratic counterpart. So I know Brenda pretty well and she's a common-sense woman," she said. "So maybe she's seen the polling and sees this is not a good move for the Democrats. And we'll see if others go along with her."

"All along, I thought this was a political loser for the Democrat Party," Lesko added. "First of all, there's no evidence of impeachment. I haven't seen anything that they could impeach him on. But then politically, it's not very smart, because if they go ahead with this, then it goes over to the Senate and the Senate can have all kinds of hearings that may hurt the Democrats. So I didn't understand the end game all along."

Fifty percent of independents questioned in an NPR/PBS/Marist poll conducted between Nov. 11-15, did not support impeaching and removing Trump from office, with just 42 percent backing removal.

That represents a slight drop, compared with the previous NPR/PBS/Marist poll – taken during the first week in October – when support was at 45 percent.


Complete text: https://www.foxnews.com/media/impeachment-democrats-polls-lesko-brenda-lawrence
 
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