A good reason el presidente Obama should keep his fat mouth shut....

[Sgt Staples]

before commenting on things he knows nothing about, before he knows the facts.

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman....

ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.

But one man's testimony could be key for the police.

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

Maybe our president and his ass kissing liberal media pals should wait until we know the facts?

Or should we let Obama be Judge and Jury. After all he's shredding the Constitution more and more every day, so what the hell?

 

[Craig]

before commenting on things he knows nothing about, before he knows the facts.

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman....

ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.

But one man's testimony could be key for the police.

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

Maybe our president and his ass kissing liberal media pals should wait until we know the facts?

Or should we let Obama be Judge and Jury. After all he's shredding the Constitution more and more every day, so what the hell?

Zimmerman followed Martin...after being told to stand down. Zimmerman cornered Martin after following him. Those are facts. Those facts change everything. The momentary view of a witness doesn't tell the entire story. It is very conceivable that there was a struggle and positions reversed at some point.

Both the author of the bill and JEB! have stated the stand your ground law is not applicable.

The President gets to speak as part of his role as a citizen, just as you do. I love the conflation from commenting on this case to shredding the Constitution.

 

[Sgt Staples]

Zimmerman followed Martin...after being told to stand down. Zimmerman cornered Martin after following him. Those are facts. Those facts change everything. The momentary view of a witness doesn't tell the entire story. It is very conceivable that there was a struggle and positions reversed at some point.

Sorry, but I don't think we KNOW THE FACTS. And before we conclude what the facts are, we have to KNOW what the facts are. We do not know if Zimmerman followed Martin, only that he was told NOT to follow Martin.

And then, if it turns out Zimmerman DID follow Martin, and Martin then attacked him. was it or was it not self defense?

Until we know ALL the facts in context any conclusion reached can only be based on opinion.

 

[StanH]

Frankly, I'm relieved Craig. Of course Stand Your Ground doesn't apply. You are to be commended for making note of this. Too many anti-gun kooks have been dishonestly babbling about Stand Your Ground protecting Zimmerman. Facts are facts. Zimmerman probably murdered that poor kid. Zimmerman probably needs to go to prison for a very long time for this crime.

Now, regarding Obama- one would think he would have learned his lesson the last time he injected himself into a local police matter. But hey, just like any of us, he has the right to voice his opinion. Clearly the opportunity to pander was more important than following his own advice for us peons after another kook with a gun tragedy- don't jump to conclusions.

Zimmerman followed Martin...after being told to stand down. Zimmerman cornered Martin after following him. Those are facts. Those facts change everything. The momentary view of a witness doesn't tell the entire story. It is very conceivable that there was a struggle and positions reversed at some point.

Both the author of the bill and JEB! have stated the stand your ground law is not applicable.

The President gets to speak as part of his role as a citizen, just as you do. I love the conflation from commenting on this case to shredding the Constitution.

 

[StanH]

Sorry, but I don't think we KNOW THE FACTS. And before we conclude what the facts are, we have to KNOW what the facts are. We do not know if Zimmerman followed Martin, only that he was told NOT to follow Martin.

And then, if it turns out Zimmerman DID follow Martin, and Martin then attacked him. was it or was it not self defense?

Until we know ALL the facts in context any conclusion reached can only be based on opinion.

While I do think Zimmerman is probably guilty of murder, it's too early to call for his assassination, too early to convict him. The facts will come out. Also, I read where Zimmerman had grass stains on his back- possibly a sign Martin was being aggressive. We simply don't know for sure yet.

 

[Craig]

Sorry, but I don't think we KNOW THE FACTS. And before we conclude what the facts are, we have to KNOW what the facts are. We do not know if Zimmerman followed Martin, only that he was told NOT to follow Martin.

And then, if it turns out Zimmerman DID follow Martin, and Martin then attacked him. was it or was it not self defense?

Until we know ALL the facts in context any conclusion reached can only be based on opinion.

At 2 minutes the dispatcher asks...ARE YOU FOLLOWING HIM?..He answers YES...and is then told to not do that...From that point forward...the stand your ground law is meaningless. Zimmerman becomes the aggressor as he continues to follow Martin. Those are known facts.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/soci...rge-zimmerman-killing-trayvon-martin-released

 

[StanH]

At 2 minutes the dispatcher asks...ARE YOU FOLLOWING HIM?..He answers YES...and is then told to not do that...From that point forward...the stand your ground law is meaningless. Zimmerman becomes the aggressor as he continues to follow Martin. Those are known facts.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/soci...rge-zimmerman-killing-trayvon-martin-released

And Zimmerman saying "

ing coons" on the tape now makes it look like Martin was stalked because of the color of his skin.

 

[Sgt Staples]

Zimmerman followed Martin...after being told to stand down. Zimmerman cornered Martin after following him. Those are facts. Those facts change everything. The momentary view of a witness doesn't tell the entire story. It is very conceivable that there was a struggle and positions reversed at some point.

Both the author of the bill and JEB! have stated the stand your ground law is not applicable.

The President gets to speak as part of his role as a citizen, just as you do. I love the conflation from commenting on this case to shredding the Constitution

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No we don't know that, Zimmerman never stated that and no one in an official capacity has stated that. It doesn't matter WHAT the tapes indicate.

Therefore Jeb Bush, Obama, and whoever wrote the law don't know if the law applies.

I suspect that the law doesn't apply; however that does not mean that Zimmerman did not act in self defense, even if he did follow Martin.

And Obama, as the nations leader needs to butt out, rather than providing Zimmerman with an excuse to claim bias.

And I didn't seem to notice Obama say anything about the 48 shootings in Chicago over St. Patrick's Day weekend, in which a 6 year old black girl was shot and killed.

Oh, I forgot, those were committed by blacks.

 

[Craig]

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No we don't know that, Zimmerman never stated that and no one in an official capacity has stated that. It doesn't matter WHAT the tapes indicate.

Therefore Jeb Bush, Obama, and whoever wrote the law don't know if the law applies.

I suspect that the law doesn't apply; however that does not mean that Zimmerman did not act in self defense, even if he did follow Martin.

And Obama, as the nations leader needs to butt out, rather than providing Zimmerman with an excuse to claim bias.

And I didn't seem to notice Obama say anything about the 48 shootings in Chicago over St. Patrick's Day weekend, in which a 6 year old black girl was shot and killed.

Oh, I forgot, those were committed by blacks.

Sorry...we do know those things. Yes...discussion with the 911 dispatcher does show those things. Yes...it does.

And your penchant for conflation is showing again.

 

[Figjam]

...bottom line here - zimmerman was explicitly told NOT to follow the "suspect" - if you pursue someone all bets are off because you never know how they will react. If the victim felt threatened, which anyone would, who is to say what will happen.

...judgment has not yet be rendered as the facts are not fully known - President Obama did not say anything wrong but let's be honest, have you ever felt he has ever said anything right? Somehow I doubt it....

 

[Sgt Staples]

Sorry...we do know those things. Yes...discussion with the 911 dispatcher does show those things. Yes...it does.

And your penchant for conflation is showing again.

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..bottom line here - zimmerman was explicitly told NOT to follow the "suspect" - if you pursue someone all bets are off because you never know how they will react. If the victim felt threatened, which anyone would, who is to say what will happen.

Guess we will find out when and if it goes to trial.

And el Presidente should keep his yap shut until then.

"Your honor, the President has poisoned the jury pool and my client cannot get a fair trial."