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freyasman

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If anyone here has any kids or maybe nieces or nephews who are considering a career in the US Military, I would like to urge you , strongly, to beat them about the head until they change their minds or suffer enough brain damage to forget the idea. If you're not comfortable doing this, send them to me, and I'll do it.... trust me, it's for their own good.
 
My son has been in the Army since just after the Iraq war started. He's been to Iraq 3 times. He' s now in Psy Ops (Special Forces) and is leaving for Afghanistan on his first mission as Special Forces in October. He's proud of what he's doing, and I'm very proud of what he's accomplished. He's not crazy about having Obama as Commander in Chief, but he loves his job. If it wasn't for him and others like him, you wouldn't have the freedom to be an a$$. :)
 
I have a son who is an officer in the US Army. He is Airborne (Master Jumper) and has served a deployment to Afghanistan. He, like Caroljo's son, is not wild about his CiC but he loves his job keeping the freedom for all of us.
 
I did a career in the Navy....would not advise it at all in this day and age.

My dad was a Chief Petty Officer in the Navy... WWII and Korean. His ship was supposed to be at dock in Pearl Harbor when it was attacked, they'd been delayed for about 2 days......thank God!
 
I have a son who is an officer in the US Army. He is Airborne (Master Jumper) and has served a deployment to Afghanistan. He, like Caroljo's son, is not wild about his CiC but he loves his job keeping the freedom for all of us.

The first 2 times my son went to Iraq he was with the 101st Airborne out of Ft Campbell. They spent all of 2006 in Baghdad, in what was called the most dangerous camp there (right in the middle of the city). They all came home safe! 2 weeks after they came home, that camp was completely demolished by mortars and whatever else was used on them!
 
My son has been in the Army since just after the Iraq war started. He's been to Iraq 3 times. He' s now in Psy Ops (Special Forces) and is leaving for Afghanistan on his first mission as Special Forces in October. He's proud of what he's doing, and I'm very proud of what he's accomplished. He's not crazy about having Obama as Commander in Chief, but he loves his job. If it wasn't for him and others like him, you wouldn't have the freedom to be an a$$. :)

I am currently going thru the retirement process after 2 decades in the U.S. Army, as an Airborne Infantryman, and I also have multiple deployments to both Iraq and Afghanistan. I will say anything I feel like about the current state of the Army and if anyone has an issue with it, they can go pound sand... I'm glad your son is having a better time of it than many of us, SpecOps is a good place from what I hear. I advise him to stay there because the rest of the Army is being run by a bunch of sadistic, narcissistic, backstabbing, shitbags.... It's not a military anymore, it's a mafia.

(BTW, PsyOps is part of the Special Operations community, but in a support role, just as truck mechanics and cooks are; they are not actually Special Forces Operators. This kind of thing drives "long tabbers" crazy....)
 
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The navy was the best thing to happen to my husband, at 17. My nephew on the other hand went into the Marines, served in Afghanistan and Iraq and is absolutely damaged.
 
The navy was the best thing to happen to my husband, at 17. My nephew on the other hand went into the Marines, served in Afghanistan and Iraq and is absolutely damaged.
Wait about 10 more years.... there are a whole bunch of guys and gals who are just barely holding it together. You can only "white-knuckle" for so long, before you come apart. Shit is going to get wild....
 
I am currently going thru the retirement process after 2 decades in the U.S. Army, as an Airborne Infantryman, and I also have multiple deployments to both Iraq and Afghanistan. I will say anything I feel like about the current state of the Army and if anyone has an issue with it, they can go pound sand... I'm glad your son is having a better time of it than many of us, SpecOps is a good place from what I hear. I advise him to stay there because the rest of the Army is being run by a bunch of sadistic, narcissistic, backstabbing, shitbags.... It's not a military anymore, it's a mafia.

(BTW, PsyOps is part of the Special Operations community, but in a support role, just as truck mechanics and cooks are; they are not actually Special Forces Operators. This kind of thing drives "long tabbers" crazy....)

Yes you have every right to feel the way you do. I know my son really dislikes the "regular' Army. He was a fueler for years and HATED it. He's pretty happy where he is now, we'll see though after his first deployment with them in October :). The Army has been good for him though. And he's become a strong Christian (which may mean nothing to some, but it's helped him tremendously). I imagine he'll retire in Spec Ops. He's already got 11 yrs in so he might as well stick it out. And he'll have a good background to get a good job when he does get out. I know the military isn't always what it's cracked up to be....but what I've heard from many that he works with, it's gotten worse in the last 5 yrs.
 
Yes you have every right to feel the way you do. I know my son really dislikes the "regular' Army. He was a fueler for years and HATED it. He's pretty happy where he is now, we'll see though after his first deployment with them in October :). The Army has been good for him though. And he's become a strong Christian (which may mean nothing to some, but it's helped him tremendously). I imagine he'll retire in Spec Ops. He's already got 11 yrs in so he might as well stick it out. And he'll have a good background to get a good job when he does get out. I know the military isn't always what it's cracked up to be....but what I've heard from many that he works with, it's gotten worse in the last 5 yrs.

Well, good luck to him; I'm done.....
 
A Message to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney From a Dying Veteran


To: George W. Bush and Dick Cheney
From: Tomas Young
Posted on Truthdig.com

I write this letter on the 10th anniversary of the Iraq War on behalf of my fellow Iraq War veterans. I write this letter on behalf of the 4,488 soldiers and Marines who died in Iraq. I write this letter on behalf of the hundreds of thousands of veterans who have been wounded and on behalf of those whose wounds, physical and psychological, have destroyed their lives. I am one of those gravely wounded. I was paralyzed in an insurgent ambush in 2004 in Sadr City. My life is coming to an end. I am living under hospice care.
I write this letter on behalf of husbands and wives who have lost spouses, on behalf of children who have lost a parent, on behalf of the fathers and mothers who have lost sons and daughters and on behalf of those who care for the many thousands of my fellow veterans who have brain injuries. I write this letter on behalf of those veterans whose trauma and self-revulsion for what they have witnessed, endured and done in Iraq have led to suicide and on behalf of the active-duty soldiers and Marines who commit, on average, a suicide a day. I write this letter on behalf of the some 1 million Iraqi dead and on behalf of the countless Iraqi wounded. I write this letter on behalf of us all—the human detritus your war has left behind, those who will spend their lives in unending pain and grief.

You may evade justice but in our eyes you are each guilty of egregious war crimes, of plunder and, finally, of murder, including the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole.

I write this letter, my last letter, to you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney. I write not because I think you grasp the terrible human and moral consequences of your lies, manipulation and thirst for wealth and power. I write this letter because, before my own death, I want to make it clear that I, and hundreds of thousands of my fellow veterans, along with millions of my fellow citizens, along with hundreds of millions more in Iraq and the Middle East, know fully who you are and what you have done. You may evade justice but in our eyes you are each guilty of egregious war crimes, of plunder and, finally, of murder, including the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole.
Your positions of authority, your millions of dollars of personal wealth, your public relations consultants, your privilege and your power cannot mask the hollowness of your character. You sent us to fight and die in Iraq after you, Mr. Cheney, dodged the draft in Vietnam, and you, Mr. Bush, went AWOL from your National Guard unit. Your cowardice and selfishness were established decades ago. You were not willing to risk yourselves for our nation but you sent hundreds of thousands of young men and women to be sacrificed in a senseless war with no more thought than it takes to put out the garbage.

I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens. I did not join the Army to go to Iraq, a country that had no part in the September 2001 attacks and did not pose a threat to its neighbors, much less to the United States. I did not join the Army to “liberate” Iraqis or to shut down mythical weapons-of-mass-destruction facilities or to implant what you cynically called “democracy” in Baghdad and the Middle East. I did not join the Army to rebuild Iraq, which at the time you told us could be paid for by Iraq’s oil revenues. Instead, this war has cost the United States over $3 trillion. I especially did not join the Army to carry out pre-emptive war. Pre-emptive war is illegal under international law. And as a soldier in Iraq I was, I now know, abetting your idiocy and your crimes. The Iraq War is the largest strategic blunder in U.S. history. It obliterated the balance of power in the Middle East. It installed a corrupt and brutal pro-Iranian government in Baghdad, one cemented in power through the use of torture, death squads and terror. And it has left Iran as the dominant force in the region. On every level—moral, strategic, military and economic—Iraq was a failure. And it was you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, who started this war. It is you who should pay the consequences.

To read Chris Hedges’ recent interview with Tomas Young, click here.
I would not be writing this letter if I had been wounded fighting in Afghanistan against those forces that carried out the attacks of 9/11. Had I been wounded there I would still be miserable because of my physical deterioration and imminent death, but I would at least have the comfort of knowing that my injuries were a consequence of my own decision to defend the country I love. I would not have to lie in my bed, my body filled with painkillers, my life ebbing away, and deal with the fact that hundreds of thousands of human beings, including children, including myself, were sacrificed by you for little more than the greed of oil companies, for your alliance with the oil sheiks in Saudi Arabia, and your insane visions of empire.

I have, like many other disabled veterans, suffered from the inadequate and often inept care provided by the Veterans Administration. I have, like many other disabled veterans, come to realize that our mental and physical wounds are of no interest to you, perhaps of no interest to any politician. We were used. We were betrayed. And we have been abandoned. You, Mr. Bush, make much pretense of being a Christian. But isn’t lying a sin? Isn’t murder a sin? Aren’t theft and selfish ambition sins? I am not a Christian. But I believe in the Christian ideal. I believe that what you do to the least of your brothers you finally do to yourself, to your own soul.

My day of reckoning is upon me. Yours will come. I hope you will be put on trial. But mostly I hope, for your sakes, that you find the moral courage to face what you have done to me and to many, many others who deserved to live. I hope that before your time on earth ends, as mine is now ending, you will find the strength of character to stand before the American public and the world, and in particular the Iraqi people, and beg for forgiveness.
 
Does your son really believe this--that he is fighting in Afghanistan for our freedom? You know, things have not changed much since the days of Major-General Smedley Butler. He was America's most decorated soldier. You should read his book about who he spent his entire career fighting for. Afghanistan was about Unocal, Haliburton, Bechtel, et al. Bin Laden was the excuse. Iraq was mostly about oil, and stopping Saddam from accepting other currencies, besides the U.S. dollar, for his oil in trade. Dropping the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency will have grave consequences for the United States. You had better clue your son on all of these things; then give him Smedley Butler's book for his next birthday. Your son should go to war with his eyes wide open, not fight, and possibnly die, under false pretenses.

My son understands what is going on just fine. Thank you for telling me I need to clue my son on what you think, but since he doesn't know you (nor do I) I sincerely doubt if he will care to hear your opinion, so I'll pass on that.

And thanks too for telling me what to get him for his birthday, but frankly, I'd rather choose the gift myself.

It is doubtful that he will go to Afghanistan again; it wasn't his choice to go there in the first place. And he serves in the Army to keep us free. Believe it or not our Army does more than just send young men to war.
 
My son understands what is going on just fine. Thank you for telling me I need to clue my son on what you think, but since he doesn't know you (nor do I) I sincerely doubt if he will care to hear your opinion, so I'll pass on that.
It is doubtful that he will go to Afghanistan again; it wasn't his choice to go there in the first place. And he serves in the Army to keep us free. Believe it or not our Army does more than just send young men to war.

Er--yes, ma'am.
 
If anyone here has any kids or maybe nieces or nephews who are considering a career in the US Military, I would like to urge you , strongly, to beat them about the head until they change their minds or suffer enough brain damage to forget the idea. If you're not comfortable doing this, send them to me, and I'll do it.... trust me, it's for their own good.

I didn't try to outright talk any of my young relatives out of enlisting but I did point out to them that the military isn't what they think it is...for example, they all had trouble believing that the Army is as political as it really is or that the government really doesn't care if you are injured. I also took a couple of them to the AL/VFW hall as guests so they could talk to people with experience who weren't recruiters.
 
I didn't try to outright talk any of my young relatives out of enlisting but I did point out to them that the military isn't what they think it is...for example, they all had trouble believing that the Army is as political as it really is or that the government really doesn't care if you are injured. I also took a couple of them to the AL/VFW hall as guests so they could talk to people with experience who weren't recruiters.

At a family gathering a few months ago my cousin's kid decided to make the announcement that she was joining the Army Reserve; her father, (my cousin) turned and looked dead at me. I had to sit there biting my tongue, when what I really wanted to do was slap some sense into her. And then there's another young cousin on the other side of the family (when he was a baby, I was the only person besides his mother that could hold him) who's busy learning how much fun Ft Bragg is right now. These youngsters do not listen....
 
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