A question for Democrats.
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Arkady
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I'm no Democrat, but I'm sure I'll reassess. I certainly did in the Clinton years. Years after Clinton left office, I was more impressed with his basic day-to-day competence than when he was president, because the subsequent national disasters really underscored that the great run we had in the Clinton years wasn't due to the Internet, or Congress, or Greenspan, or the other things to which people were attributing it. I was also less hung up on the betrayal of his lies about the Lewinsky affair, which just looks laughably trivial in retrospect. I did, however, come to be harder on his deregulation streak, which looks riskier in retrospect, knowing what we know now about the collapse of the financial system. And I'm less forgiving with his executive overreach, which seemed minor at the time, but is more clearly problematic when you know just how obscenely out of hand things got under Bush and Obama.
It's so hard to know how my position about Obama will change. If I knew that, I'd change it now, preemptively. It'll depend on future events. For example, maybe climate change will accelerate badly, so that we're at a point in 20 years that most scientists only picture us being in 100 years. If tens of millions are dying in droughts and famines, and refugee crises are ravaging the world, then Obama's low-key approach to environmentalism, which seems great compared to the near-total lack of action we saw during prior administrations, could wind up looking criminally negligent. Or maybe we wade back into Iraq and it turns into another Vietnam and we end up cursing the guy the way we curse Johnson. Or, in the other direction, maybe the current economic strengthening continues, and by late 2016 we're in a full-scale boom, while the rest of the world continues to suffer, and he looks like an economic genius.
Anyway, I suspect his most impressive success will remain Obamacare. It may be a crappy solution compared to the many time-tested approaches other nations have succeeded, but it's more than a couple generations of politicians before him managed, and it is succeeding beyond the expectations of even its most enthusiastic supporters, so far.
And you still don't realize that much of Clinton's success came from Newt Gingrich's Contract with America and the Republicans holding Congress? Clinton was sinking until 1994 when Congress was turned over to the Republicans. The success came from both (and promptly left when Republicans gained everything) [that's proof enough that neither party has any real integrity].
I do agree that Clinton's administration was good in retrospect because we see that Clinton himself had a fetching personality that most people couldn't resist warming up to. That's a good trait for a President to have.
Unfortunately, Obama is not warm. He can read a speech almost as well as Clinton could/ can but Obama has none of the warmth. He is a petulant child that reeks of his way or the highway. And he is not about to "warm" up to a Republican Congress. Obama is no Reagan and he's no Clinton. I'm afraid that most of those who l-o-v-e Obama now, if they have any depth, any mind at all, will look back on these years as the crap that Obama has made them.
I don't expect any of them to ever admit it though.
Θ legacy
http://conservativepost.com/school-...y-islamic-prayers-and-make-muslim-prayer-rug/
Rise of Islam In America
*damn good thing that wasn't my kid
http://conservativepost.com/school-...y-islamic-prayers-and-make-muslim-prayer-rug/
Rise of Islam In America
*damn good thing that wasn't my kid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America
I am not saying that the Contract with America would be what is needed now. But it was needed then. And the people of America thought so because the GOP was given control of Congress based on people all over the country agreeing with that contract.
Obama is NOT Bill Clinton. Period.
as seen on tv
Senator
as seen on tv
Senator
Boehner is no Gingrich
current picture is that it's successful especially turning the ship of state around re the economy....thanks to the stimulus and rescuing the auto industry. Mark Zandi of Moody's was on Washington Journal this morning and said 2015 and 2016 are looking very good for the economy. that will bode well for Obama's legacy as well as for the Dem 2016 nominee.
the PPACA, which will be 5 years old this March, will continue to be viewed as a success. Gov Kasich is taking credit for the help the ACA and Medicaid expansion has done for Ohioans. that says a lot.
foreign affairs and our current effort to help countries fight ISIL with their OWN boots on the ground will look better and saner as time passes.
a really, really big deal has been moving the country towards acceptance of and equal rights for gays.....in the military, same-sex marriage.
the next Dem president may have to finish up the work on immigration reform, but Pres Obama will get credit for pushing it to be solved.
much has been done to address climate change.....the military going green, the auto industry accepting without complaint new fuel efficiency standards, the support for renewable energy.
fairsheet
Senator
It's funny that a question about only Obama, has quickly become a thread about Obama AND Clinton! Oh well, if this threads' redsters had a competitive entry, I'm sure they would've mentioned him.
I like Clinton - a lot. But, Clinton didn't turn our politic around the way Obama has. Speaking of Clinton, Pres. H. Clinton will do great things. Hindsight will show that she was able to those things, thanks to the foundation Obama left her.
I like Clinton - a lot. But, Clinton didn't turn our politic around the way Obama has. Speaking of Clinton, Pres. H. Clinton will do great things. Hindsight will show that she was able to those things, thanks to the foundation Obama left her.
Spamature
President
I do feel the biggest success that will come out of this administration is the healthcare reform in its future iterations as it is allowed to evolve. Healthcare was the low hanging fruit when it comes to our national problems.
I believe the biggest failure will be its inability to effect narrow interest vs public good. That covers a large area too, from the funding of elections to climate change to income inequality to Wall Street.
Spamature
President
What does that have to do with the subject ?
Hillary SOS lost $6,000,000,000, 4 lives in Benghazi and many weapons............
DNC couldn't list ONE "godammed" accomplishment Hillary did as SOS..............
best part....there is a dozen blue libs in PJ and no way in hell they could get her elected......
You ask legacy of Θ
yeah, what does that have to do with..................
Θ administration=
"John Brennan, current head of CIA converted to Islam while stationed in Saudi Arabia. Obama's top advisor, Valerie Jarrett, is a Muslim who was born in Iran where her parents still live. Hillary Clinton's top advisor, Huma Abedin is a Muslim, whose mother and brother are involved in the now outlawed Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for Homeland Security, Arif Aikhan, is a Muslim. Homeland Security Advisor, Mohammed Elibiary, is a Muslim. Obama advisor and founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, Salam al-Marayati, is a Muslim. Obama's Sharia Czar, Imam Mohamed Magid, of the Islamic Society of North America is a Muslim. Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships, Eboo Patel, is a Muslim. And last but not least, our closet Muslim himself, Barack Hussein Obama. It's questionable if Obama ever officially took the oath of office when he was sworn in. He didn't repeat the oath properly to defend our nation and our Constitution. Later the Democrats claimed he was given the oath again in private? CIA director John Brennan took his oath on a copy of the Constitution, not a Bible. Congressman, Keith Ellison took his oath on a copy of the Qur'an"
Spamature
President
Please show proof that the head of the CIA converted to Islam ? You ODS are very naive and vulnerable to being made fools by those who take advantage of, as your minds have been weakened by the affliction since 2008.
Valerie Jarrett has never identified herself as a Muslim
Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran — but to American parents. Her father was a geneticist and pathologist named Dr. James Bowman who was born in Washington, D.C. In 1955, he accepted a position in Iran to study favism, a glucose deficiency disease. Valerie Jarrett’s mother, Barbara Bowman, was born in Chicago and became a professor and expert in early childhood education.
Valerie Jarrett was born while her parents were in Shiraz, Iran, in 1956. The family lived in London from 1961-1962 while James Bowman studied genetics. Then, the family moved to Chicago, the Stanford Alumni reports:
“Jarrett grew up in Hyde Park, the racially diverse neighborhood that abuts the University of Chicago, where her father worked. She went to Massachusetts for prep school, and on to the Farm (Stanford). Her conviction to attend Stanford was so strong it didn't even occur to her to visit beforehand.”
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/v/Valerie-Jarrett-is-a-Muslim-and-Controls-the-White-House.htm
Hillary adviser is married to former congressman Wiener who is Jewish.
Prove what I posted is wrong...............you didn't...........can't refute........COOL.......so those who claim to be African-America aren't...............born in America.....not Africa.
Spamature
President
Again you are the one making the accusations. So it is up to you to prove it's true.
I could say you molest children and then say it's a true statement unless you prove it's not true.
But that is not how it works. When you make the claim it is up to you to prove that what you said is in fact the truth. It is not up to someone else to prove that it is false.
