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About those horrible right-wing predictions.

Arkady

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Right-wingers predicted a landslide for Romney. I think that some of those who did (like Dick Morris) secretly knew better, but knew that lying was necessary to keep up enthusiasm, which was important for down-ticket contests. But I think the conservatives here weren't that cynical and calculating. I take them at their word that they really thought things were a near lock for Romney, despite the hard data showing a near lock for Obama. I bring that up not to gloat, but instead to point out that this is a troubling sign of the fracturing of American society.

More and more, people live within like-minded bubbles. A huge portion of conservatives live in heavily conservative states. At least seven states went to Romney by over 60%. At least one went to him by over 70%. That's extraordinary for a losing candidate. Throughout a huge bloc of states, consisting of much of the Old Confederacy and tornado alley, he won by at least a ten-point margin. And if you took out a few urban islands of blue voters in those states, the margins would be much larger. There are many counties where Romney pulled over 80% of the vote, and quite a few where he pulled over 90%. Similarly, there are virtual "communities" where support for Romney was both uniform and enthusiastic -- Fox News, talk radio, the conservative press and websites, etc. -- and, far more than in the past, people can customize their media consumption to get only views consistent with their own.

My point is that many of the people who made the horrible predictions were probably making what appeared to be perfectly reasonable predictions based on their own local experiences. If nearly everyone you know is a right-winger who hates Obama (e.g., in a southern, white community) and you keep hearing that reinforced by right-wing media outlets, and your right-wing church, with very little dissonance coming in from opposing views, then of course you'd be skeptical of national pollsters telling you that Obama has a significant and consistent lead in the campaign.

That's not an attack on conservatives. To a lesser extent, the same is true of liberals. I knew very few Romney supporters, which is largely because most of my friends, family, and coworkers are highly educated people from New England. If I lived within, say, a black, urban community, I'm sure my view of the political world would be skewed even further by my atypical social surroundings.

This is a dangerous trend if it continues. People will lose confidence in elections if they become too consistently and extremely at odds with their perceptions of the real world. If 90% of the hundreds of people you know supported Romney, how plausible does an Obama victory look? People will also lose the willingness to embrace compromise if they come to view those with different opinions as being as foreign as if other parts of this country really were other nations entirely. I'm not sure what we can do about this, but it does worry me.
 
What's funny is the SHORT memory they have for what their pundits tell them.

Limbaugh, Hannity, Dick Morris, Glenn Beck, etc. all telling them "Don't pay attention to those skewed polls....Romney's going to win in a landslide!" and they repeated it dutifully.

NOW, they start a BRAND NEW recitation of predictons of all the "horrible things that will happen now that Obama has been re-elected" or the "terrible things Obama will DO now that's he's won re-election".

And expect us to take them seriously?!?!?!?
 
That's where I really differ from them. When I feel relying on a pundit has made me look stupid, I resent the pundit for it, and I make a mental note not to let it happen again. I've got a "shit list" in my head of pundits I've parroted in the past who ended up being dishonest or just wrong, leaving me looking dumb, and I'm extremely careful about their stuff now. Republicans don't seem to care, though. They like whoever tells them what they want to hear, regardless of how often that person leaves them ridiculously far out on a limb.
 
NOW, they start a BRAND NEW recitation of predictons of all the "horrible things that will happen now that Obama has been re-elected" or the "terrible things Obama will DO now that's he's won re-election".

And expect us to take them seriously?!?!?!?

I'm already seeing this here in Texas. Running out to buy more guns and ammo, rush to buy more gold, predicting the hasten of Armageddon (Obama IS the anti-Christ), blaming the market on O's relection, "KNOWING" for a fact that the 2nd Amendment will be overturned as soon as O appoints the next SCOTUS member, and after that, declaring himself Dictator for Life and killing the Constitution, serious discussions about forcing a Texas recession, on and on ad nauseum.
I don't post to the message board any more but it's been fun to lurk there today to enjoy the guilty pleasure of Schadenfreude.
 
It goes to Nieztsche's (sp?) "Good vs. Evil" precept. All too many Americans have come to define themselves not by what they're for, but by what they're against.

McConnell/Boehner/Fox forwarded a strategy over the last four years, of opposing ANYthing and EVERYthing Obama might say or do. It didn't even matter if what Obama was saying or doing, was EXACTLY what THEY'D been doing or saying for the whole decade prior. The "idea" was that Obama was SO evil, that righteous people had to be willing to concede even the good things, in the interest of making Obama a one term president.

The Fox/GOP hangers-on seem oblivious to the fact that this "strategery" is absolutely NOT typical. Every minority party makes trouble for the majority party. That's their job. But what they've always done in the past, is acknowledge the inevitability of the "good things", and do their best to claim credit for them.

Instead...their angle once again...has been that to concede even one inch to the "evil other", risks their meme that the other is 100% evil.
 
George Will and Michael Barone, supposed ELITE cons, actually threw their lot in with predictions as crazy as Dick Morris's.

if the smartest of the repubs REFUSE to face reality and insist on peddling feel-good falsehoods, there's no hope for the GOP.

a needed good cleansing or civil war for the repub party? won't happen. they're all on the same side.
 
Being brainwashed by what most of us listen to on a daily basis.. is basically what it amounts to in my opinion..
 
I'm already seeing this here in Texas. Running out to buy more guns and ammo, rush to buy more gold, predicting the hasten of Armageddon (Obama IS the anti-Christ), blaming the market on O's relection, "KNOWING" for a fact that the 2nd Amendment will be overturned as soon as O appoints the next SCOTUS member, and after that, declaring himself Dictator for Life and killing the Constitution, serious discussions about forcing a Texas recession, on and on ad nauseum.
I don't post to the message board any more but it's been fun to lurk there today to enjoy the guilty pleasure of Schadenfreude.

amfh,the same Minster who told us we had to vote against Obama is also saying that Israel is fighting for us now and it is the end times. I had no idea he was such a nut.

Are you close to Sugarland and Juanita? Her and Molly Ivins. Every time ole Tom,(DeLay,) gets in trouble they take him down to the river to be borned agin,agin
 
Yes many right wingers predicted a landslide for Romney.

And they were dead wrong.

As they almost always are wrong!

The thing is right wingers live in a different universe contrived in their minds. The book "The Republican Brain" explains it very well. Hundreds of studies sighted in this book confirm it: Republicans honestly think the world is how they WANT it to be and they totally disregard facts, truth, reality.

The scary part is there is NO CURE. No amount of giving the facts or the truth will change it. They are hard wired to disregard reality and create a reality in their minds that often opposes truth and facts completely. And they not only refuse to admit it or see it, they refuse to get help for how badly they think.

Indeed, it is scary. There is no answer or resolve or fix.
 
On this forum, people call me a right winger. I never predicted a landslide. I predicted it would be too close to call, and it was. Romney lost by less than 2 percent of the votes cast, even in Ohio. Yes, this is still a loss, but no, it doesn't amount to a landslide in either direction.
 
yep, which is why I say it is already fractured, and deliberately so

and there's little hope of a mending when so many are dedicated to keeping it so
 
amfh,the same Minster who told us we had to vote against Obama is also saying that Israel is fighting for us now and it is the end times. I had no idea he was such a nut.

Are you close to Sugarland and Juanita? Her and Molly Ivins. Every time ole Tom,(DeLay,) gets in trouble they take him down to the river to be borned agin,agin

Naw, I'm up in North Texas and Sugarland is nearer the Gulf Coast. (about 250 miles distant from me).
I love Juanita Jean :).

And I near worshipped Molly Ivins...the single greatest compliment of my life was when somebody compared my writing (this was back in like 1992-3, pre "images on screen", and only listserve black/white posting) to hers. It wasn't of course, but I still hug that close to me every once in a while.

Anyway, between Juanita and dearly departed Molly, Sandy in Tx, bdtx, Two Wit, myself and several others I know I'm forgetting who post here, y'all need to know we are not ALL nutjobs and are still capable of rational thought!
 
I get the impression that the residents of the Foxfartian echo-chamber aren't really understanding what the likes of Hannity, Morris, et al are babbling. I mean...it never made rational sense that Mitt would win in a landslide. BUT...they assume that Fox's shills are just way smarter than them and they've especial insight and knowledge. And hey....they wouldn't say it if they didn't believe it, would they?

We see evidence of that all the time, in forums such as this. Some redkookian will proudly dump the Fox-angle-du jour into the forum, but when pressed as to the specifics, he gets lost in short order. And..you can't help but wonder why he doesn't seem to have even anticipated the questions that come his way. It's because he never really understood the Fox-angle to begin with. He just assumes that since Hannity said it, it's gotta be valid...even if HE (the poster) can't explain WHY and HOW it's valid.
 
Fox/Right Wing media machine is nothing more that partisan propaganda.....The "folks" in Red state America deserve better....Hopefully people will tune out these losers and find some truth.....America will be better for it
 
Fox/Right Wing media machine is nothing more that partisan propaganda.....The "folks" in Red state America deserve better....Hopefully people will tune out these losers and find some truth.....America will be better for it

Would be a change for the better..

Just like the change in you.. Saladin.. I've never seen you so congenial and happy.. a great sight and change.. choosing a winner does that, I suppose.. :D
 
For the record, not all conservatives here engaged in such fantasy and do not reside within information bubbles or echo chambers. :)

However, I have learned that - according to some here - all conservatives are evil.
 
I said it would be very close and wouldn't be decided until the wee hours of the morning. It was rather close, but it was decided before midnight, so I was wrong.
 
To a lesser extent? In DC Obama got all but 6% of the vote. Maryland wasn't much better. Also, if you look at the demographic, minorities voted overwhelmingly Obama.

Democrats thrive on their "niche" groups.
 
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