Absorption

[resident_evil]

If someone coughed on your bare forearm an hour and a half ago depositing virus on your forearm and you wipe your forehead with that forearm touching your eyes in the process, then you have a higher probability of being infected than if your arm had been sleeved. Virus in sputum is absorbed by cloth and other absorbent materials fixing them more so than not. That is also how in part masks work. A mask is absorbent and fixing of virus loads in wet transmission. The mosquito and chain link fence analogy is wrong largely because viruses don't travel singly or dryly to be infective against intrinsic/innate immunity.

If you have to wear masks for shifts at a time, changing your mask is good practice. With this relatively mild pandemic or the next far more virulent pandemic you're in fact being tested for your IQ. The nature of the beast is that even high IQ people making one mistake can infect themselves and die.

This @Raoul_Luke is a game of probabilities and not absolutes.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

If someone coughed on your bare forearm an hour and a half ago depositing virus on your forearm and you wipe your forehead with that forearm touching your eyes in the process, then you have a higher probability of being infected than if your arm had been sleeved. Virus in sputum is absorbed by cloth and other absorbent materials fixing them more so than not. That is also how in part masks work. A mask is absorbent and fixing of virus loads in wet transmission. The mosquito and chain link fence analogy is wrong largely because viruses don't travel singly or dryly to be infective against intrinsic/innate immunity.

If you have to wear masks for shifts at a time, changing your mask is good practice. With this relatively mild pandemic or the next far more virulent pandemic you're in fact being tested for your IQ. The nature of the beast is that even high IQ people making one mistake can infect themselves and die.

This @Raoul_Luke is a game of probabilities and not absolutes.

So far as far as I can tell, the only ones who passed the covid-19 "IQ test" were the Swedes. The rest of us went bat shit crazy over it and are going to suffer the ill effects of the business closures, forced mass isolation and mask war for a generation.

If you touch a contaminated surface and then touch your mask, is that covid virus going to find your warm, moist cotton mask an excellent transmission element?

 

[resident_evil]

So far as far as I can tell, the only ones who passed the covid-19 "IQ test" were the Swedes. The rest of us went bat shit crazy over it and are going to suffer the ill effects of the business closures, forced mass isolation and mask war for a generation.

If you touch a contaminated surface and then touch your mask, is that covid virus going to find your warm, moist cotton mask an excellent transmission element?

Had the Swedes worn masks, done more social distancing, and possibly washed their hands more regularly they'd have done even better in not having locked down. And they really fuked up in not taking care of their 70 plus club. They say so themselves as they stare off into the distance at herd immunity yet unachieved.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Had the Swedes worn masks, done more social distancing, and possibly washed their hands more regularly they'd have done even better in not having locked down. And they really fuked up in not taking care of their 70 plus club. They say so themselves as they stare off into the distance at herd immunity yet unachieved.

Yes, they admit they could have done a better job of protecting those in nursing homes. But even when this risk is known and many efforts taken to protect these folks, well, easier said than done:

ManorCare Health Services North Hills reports 61 positive COVID-19 cases among residents

In a letter that the facility sent to friends and family, those who tested positive are in a dedicated COVID-19 unit and will remain isolated.

www.wtae.com

Do you suppose Manor Care and the employees of this home somehow missed the news about the 75,000 nursing home residents who have died from covid-19? Or is it maybe not as simple as our "betters" in the "scientific" community would have us believe to keep from passing this disease around? I mean, if health care professionals can't keep nursing home residents safe after months of tragic decimation of this vulnerable population, how are us normal schlubs going to fare out in the community with nothing but our flimsy cloth masks?

It certainly looks like the Swedes have achieved herd immunity:



We should be so "staring off into the distance at herd immunity unacheived."

 

[resident_evil]

Yes, they admit they could have done a better job of protecting those in nursing homes. But even when this risk is known and many efforts taken to protect these folks, well, easier said than done:

ManorCare Health Services North Hills reports 61 positive COVID-19 cases among residents

In a letter that the facility sent to friends and family, those who tested positive are in a dedicated COVID-19 unit and will remain isolated.

www.wtae.com

Do you suppose Manor Care and the employees of this home somehow missed the news about the 75,000 nursing home residents who have died from covid-19? Or is it maybe not as simple as our "betters" in the "scientific" community would have us believe to keep from passing this disease around? I mean, if health care professionals can't keep nursing home residents safe after months of tragic decimation of this vulnerable population, how are us normal schlubs going to fare out in the community with nothing but our flimsy cloth masks?

It certainly looks like the Swedes have achieved herd immunity:

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We should be so "staring off into the distance at herd immunity unacheived."

It is an IQ game that nursing homes are at the epicenter of. Besides wearing masks a laborious cleaning regimen is required. There was no one cleaner than my Swedish Great Grandmother or her daughter. Obsessive sometimes. It was a cultural thing probably fundamentally crystallized by things like polio.

Todays hospitals, dentists, schools, and people filled institutions are not as clean as they once were.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

It is an IQ game that nursing homes are at the epicenter of. Besides wearing masks a laborious cleaning regimen is required. There was no one cleaner than my Swedish Great Grandmother or her daughter. Obsessive sometimes. It was a cultural thing probably fundamentally crystallized by things like polio.

Todays hospitals, dentists, schools, and people filled institutions are not as clean as they once were.

I certainly don't disagree. But would simply point out that any mitigation effort that depends on people "doing the right thing and doing it the right way" is probably doomed to failure.

 

[resident_evil]

I certainly don't disagree. But would simply point out that any mitigation effort that depends on people "doing the right thing and doing it the right way" is probably doomed to failure.

I disagree. It is when it depends on people that you can actually do something. If this was an asteroid headed towards us we'd be doomed to failure. :0)

 

[resident_evil]

Did you even read the top post @Raoul_Luke ?

Did you understand how absorption works with viruses and bacteria when it comes to a cloth surface?

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Did you even read the top post @Raoul_Luke ?

Did you understand how absorption works with viruses and bacteria when it comes to a cloth surface?

Speaking of "probabilities" - did you see the study Norway conducted where they determined you would need 200,000 people wearing a mask for a week to prevent ONE covid infection. INFECTION - not death! The idea that masks are helping is absurd...

 

[EatTheRich]

Sweden has one of the highest per capita Covid death rates in the world. And their economy tanked (for reasons having little to do with prophylactic measures) just like the rest of the capitalist world’s.

 

[resident_evil]

Speaking of "probabilities" - did you see the study Norway conducted where they determined you would need 200,000 people wearing a mask for a week to prevent ONE covid infection. INFECTION - not death! The idea that masks are helping is absurd...

I answered you in your other post with a link to the 200,000 stat. That is not a constant number. If the infection rate in Norway goes up that number drops. We are nowhere near that here in the U.S. Your link doesn't say masks don't work. It says that if the infection rate goes up then masks might be required.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

I answered you in your other post with a link to the 200,000 stat. That is not a constant number. If the infection rate in Norway goes up that number drops. We are nowhere near that here in the U.S. Your link doesn't say masks don't work. It says that if the infection rate goes up then masks might be required.

That was a best case scenario - with MEDICAL masks worn correctly. They didn't even bother to run the study on non-medical masks worn non-correctly. You know why? Because they know there is exactly zero benefit to that policy, regardless of the "r."

You like to talk about this as an IQ test, and I actually agree. But not in the way you think about it. Here's a simple IQ test question for you - now that you have given government the authority to force us to wear masks on the off chance that we might (infect and) kill someone with our breath, what exactly remains to prevent them from declaring gun violence a "public health emergency" and start confiscating our guns on the off chance that we may shoot and kill someone?

 

[resident_evil]

That was a best case scenario - with MEDICAL masks worn correctly. They didn't even bother to run the study on non-medical masks worn non-correctly. You know why? Because they know there is exactly zero benefit to that policy, regardless of the "r."

You like to talk about this as an IQ test, and I actually agree. But not in the way you think about it. Here's a simple IQ test question for you - now that you have given government the authority to force us to wear masks on the off chance that we might (infect and) kill someone with our breath, what exactly remains to prevent them from declaring gun violence a "public health emergency" and start confiscating our guns on the off chance that we may shoot and kill someone?

I've come to the conclusion you just don't read the posts you're answering.

It is clear that the 200,000 number is on the basis of the current infection rate. If the current infection rate goes up then that 200,000 number goes down. Presumably to 1000, 500, 100 or even 10.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

I've come to the conclusion you just don't read the posts you're answering.

It is clear that the 200,000 number is on the basis of the current infection rate. If the current infection rate goes up then that 200,000 number goes down. Presumably to 1000, 500, 100 or even 10.

Yes, presumably. But again, that's medical grade masks worn correctly. THAT is not what we are doing here, except maybe for you. Even at the present US "r" you could wear a medical grade mask correctly for a million years and not prevent one infection.

Again, if the government can force us to wear a mask even if we are not Covid-positive on the basis that it is a public safety measure to keep you from potentially infecting people in the unlikely event you become infected, what stops them from confiscating the guns of law abiding citizens to keep you from murdering someone in the unlikely event that you become criminally minded? I'll tell you what - the same "nothing" that the non-medical masks worn incorrectly are doing for containment of the coronavirus.

 

[resident_evil]

Yes, presumably. But again, that's medical grade masks worn correctly. THAT is not what we are doing here, except maybe for you. Even at the present US "r" you could wear a medical grade mask correctly for a million years and not prevent one infection.

Surgical style cloth masks work to slow and even halt epidemic infections. Not as efficiently was higher grade masks but they do.

Again, if the government can force us to wear a mask even if we are not Covid-positive on the basis that it is a public safety measure to keep you from potentially infecting people in the unlikely event you become infected, what stops them from confiscating the guns of law abiding citizens to keep you from murdering someone in the unlikely event that you become criminally minded? I'll tell you what - the same "nothing" that the non-medical masks worn incorrectly are doing for containment of the coronavirus.

Wearing masks and 2nd Amendment rights is a false comparison to make. It's like saying the government can't draft you in times of war or force you to have a driver's license to drive on public roads or pay your child support or pay your taxes or show photo id to vote or ...