Another New Record.....

[Zam-Zam]

Via Investors Business Daily:



A record 5.4 million workers and their dependents have signed up to collect federal disability checks since President Obama took office, according to the latest official government data, as discouraged workers increasingly give up looking for jobs and take advantage of the federal program.

This is straining already-stretched government finances while posing a long-term economic threat by creating an ever-growing pool of permanently dependent working-age Americans.

Since the recession ended in June 2009, the number of new enrollees to Social Security's disability insurance program is twice the job growth figure. (See nearby chart.) In just the first four months of this year, 539,000 joined the disability rolls and more than 725,000 put in applications.

As a result, by April there were a total of 10.8 million people on disability, according to Social Security Administration data released this week. Even after accounting for all those who've left the program — about 700,000 drop out each year, mainly because they hit retirement age or died — that's up 53% from a decade ago.




Complete text: http://news.investors.com/article/6...bility-rolls-skyrocket-under-obama.htm?p=full

 

[OldGaffer]

The obvious answer, do away with Social Security.

 

[Zam-Zam]

The obvious answer, do away with Social Security.

That seems extreme. The other extreme would be to do absolutely nothing and be content with this result.

 

[ITALIA]

You have to be disabled to receive SSI so are you blaming their disability on Obama?

 

[Zam-Zam]

You have to be disabled to receive SSI so are you blaming their disability on Obama?

Did I? Show me where. My only comment was that it was another new record,m which it is.


As far as being 'disabled', you might want to check this out:



Last week, Investor’s Business Daily ran a piece on the 5.4 million Americans that have joined disability rolls under President Obama. It was a thoughtful piece, but it missed the point of the amount of abuse of this system that allows millions of young American men to drop out of the workforce and get paid to cool their heels.

It’s an epidemic nobody talks about because it could bleed into the sensitivity associated with legitimate recipients of social security disability insurance payments. The program provides money to people too young to get social security and unable to work.

The problem is that so many young people, especially men, are claiming they are nuts. Yes, this is the biggest scam since the welfare queens of the 1980s, and it’s getting worse. They call it “the crazy check” and there are wide swathes of men playing the system for these checks.



Complete text: http://finance.townhall.com/columni...29/the_new_welfare_queen_getting_crazy_checks

 

[OldGaffer]

We also have a record number of folks retiring and getting social security. Obamas fault?

 

[Craig]

We also have a record number of folks retiring and getting social security. Obamas fault?

Without question. Obama is responsible for the post war baby boom of the mid 50's...

 

[OldGaffer]

How dare these fake paranoid schizophrenics get a social security check. Is the Psychiatric Association in on the scam, since they are the ones certifying the illness? It is much better to put the mentally ill out in the homeless community to be expolited and beaten, that is the true conservative way. Are there no poor houses, no work farms, no debtors prisons?

 

[Zam-Zam]

How dare these fake paranoid schizophrenics get a social security check. Is the Psychiatric Association in on the scam, since they are the ones certifying the illness? It is much better to put the mentally ill out in the homeless community to be expolited and beaten, that is the true conservative way. Are there no poor houses, no work farms, no debtors prisons?

A reasonable person would question the statistic anomaly and investigate. An unreasonable person would employ hysterical rhetoric and investigate nothing.

 

[degsme]

Via Investors Business Daily:



A record 5.4 million workers and their dependents have signed up to collect federal disability checks since President Obama took office, according to the latest official government data, as discouraged workers increasingly give up looking for jobs and take advantage of the federal program.

Yes and?

When you inherit a crash that is

• Losing the previous 4 years of GDP growth in 9 mos
• Losing 820,000 jobs PER MONTH

Guess what, your unemployment rate and disability rates are going to go up.

Yes and?

 

[Zam-Zam]

[/I]Yes and?

When you inherit a crash that is

• Losing the previous 4 years of GDP growth in 9 mos
• Losing 820,000 jobs PER MONTH

Guess what, your unemployment rate and disability rates are going to go up.

Yes and?

Why would a failing economy result in more people becoming disabled?

 

[degsme]

Why would a failing economy result in more people becoming disabled?

Prolonged job loss causes mental harm. Suicidal depression is a very real disability. Furthermore it often means a loss of medical coverage. So "chronic conditions" - say like diabetes, that then go untreated, go from "chronic" to "acute", causing heart attacks, organ failure, amputations etc.

 

[Zam-Zam]

Prolonged job loss causes mental harm. Suicidal depression is a very real disability. Furthermore it often means a loss of medical coverage. So "chronic conditions" - say like diabetes, that then go untreated, go from "chronic" to "acute", causing heart attacks, organ failure, amputations etc.

Can you site any credible source to show this is what is happening? I can't recall ever hearing of a case of amputation being caused due to a job loss.

 

[degsme]

Can you site any credible source to show this is what is happening? I can't recall ever hearing of a case of amputation being caused due to a job loss.

• Unemployment has been driving a loss of healthcare coverage http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/13/news/economy/census_bureau_health_insurance/index.htm
• Lack of healthcare coverage has resulted in people reducing their usage of primary and preventive care http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/apr2012/heal-a09.shtml
• QED at least some Diabetes medication cutbacks are often the result of loss of healthcare insurance coverage.
• Diabetes medication cutbacks can cause amputations

 

[gabriel]

lol! they used to say a good lawyer should never ask a question he doesnt already know the answer to. these guys could take a lesson!! lol

 

[Wulk]

"The problem is that so many young people, especially men, are claiming they are nuts. Yes, this is the biggest scam since the welfare queens of the 1980s, and it’s getting worse. They call it “the crazy check” and there are wide swathes of men playing the system for these checks."

More young American males are claiming that they are nuts! Perhaps your headline should have read: "Under Obama, more young American males become honest"!!!

 

[degsme]

lol! they used to say a good lawyer should never ask a question he doesnt already know the answer to. these guys could take a lesson!! lol

My father was a very very succesful trial Atty. I grew up learning to argue in that sort of forum...

 

[Zam-Zam]

• Unemployment has been driving a loss of healthcare coverage http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/13/news/economy/census_bureau_health_insurance/index.htm
• Lack of healthcare coverage has resulted in people reducing their usage of primary and preventive care http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/apr2012/heal-a09.shtml
• QED at least some Diabetes medication cutbacks are often the result of loss of healthcare insurance coverage.
• Diabetes medication cutbacks can cause amputations

I have to give credit where credit is due. Your arguments are sound and logical, and your sources are credible. It's a refreshing change from what is often the case in this forum.

I am not entirely convinced that job loss accounts for all of the statistical anomaly with regards to the disability numbers, but i am willing to concede that may account for part of it. Mr. Payne's assertions (see above post) may also account for part of the rise, and I would hope this would be investigated further.Doing less would be a disservice to both the taxpayers and those who legitimately qualify as disabled.

 

[Zam-Zam]

"The problem is that so many young people, especially men, are claiming they are nuts. Yes, this is the biggest scam since the welfare queens of the 1980s, and it’s getting worse. They call it “the crazy check” and there are wide swathes of men playing the system for these checks."

More young American males are claiming that they are nuts! Perhaps your headline should have read: "Under Obama, more young American males become honest"!!!

Funny. It seems, though, they didn't realize they were 'nuts' until they found out they could get a check fin the mail for it........

 

[degsme]

I have to give credit where credit is due. Your arguments are sound and logical, and your sources are credible. It's a refreshing change from what is often the case in this forum.

I am not entirely convinced that job loss accounts for all of the statistical anomaly with regards to the disability numbers, but i am willing to concede that may account for part of it. Mr. Payne's assertions (see above post) may also account for part of the rise, and I would hope this would be investigated further.Doing less would be a disservice to both the taxpayers and those who legitimately qualify as disabled.

Thanks Zam - I do my best.

I think the Afghan and Iraq wars have impacts there as well. After all, as National Guard transitions back into Civillian life, they start to count against the Civillian disability stats. I don't think we will see a clear accounting until at least 5-10 years after the recession and recovery is well over. We still have idjits who think FDR "prolonged" the Depression with stimulative spending (he actually did prolong it - but only when he cut spending in 1937 causing a double dip).