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Are we becoming to stupid to survive ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...and-emotional-decline-ever-since-8307101.html


“I would wager that if an average citizen from Athens of 1000BC were to appear suddenly among us, he or she would be among the brightest and most intellectually alive of our colleagues and companions, with a good memory, a broad range of ideas and a clear-sighted view of important issues,” Professor Crabtree says in a provocative paper published in the journal Trends in Genetics.

“Furthermore, I would guess that he or she would be among the most emotionally stable of our friends and colleagues. I would also make this wager for the ancient inhabitants of Africa, Asia, India or the Americas, of perhaps 2,000 to 6,000 years ago,” Professor Crabtree says.

“The basis for my wager comes from new developments in genetics, anthropology, and neurobiology that make a clear prediction that our intellectual and emotional abilities are genetically surprisingly fragile,” he says.


but then ...........

However, other scientists remain sceptical. “At first sight this is a classic case of Arts Faculty science. Never mind the hypothesis, give me the data, and there aren’t any,” said Professor Steve Jones, a geneticist at University College London.

“I could just as well argue that mutations have reduced our aggression, our depression and our penis length but no journal would publish that. Why do they publish this?” Professor Jones said.

“I am an advocate of Gradgrind science – facts, facts and more facts; but we need ideas too, and this is an ideas paper although I have no idea how the idea could be tested,” he said.
 
“I could just as well argue that mutations have reduced our aggression, our depression and our penis length but no journal would publish that. Why do they publish this?” Professor Jones said.

I gotta go with this guy. There are sooooo many opinions...

"A hunter-gatherer who did not correctly conceive a solution to providing food or shelter probably died, along with his/her progeny, whereas a modern Wall Street executive that made a similar conceptual mistake would receive a substantial bonus and be a more attractive mate. Clearly, extreme selection is a thing of the past," the researchers write in the journal article.

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But just because humans have more mutations in their intelligence genes doesn't mean we are becoming less brainy as a species, said psychologist Thomas Hills of the University of Warwick, who was not involved in the study. Instead, removing the pressure for everyone to be a superb hunter or gatherer may have allowed us to evolve a more diverse population with different types of smarts, he said.

"You don't get Stephen Hawking 200,000 years ago. He just doesn't exist," Hills told LiveScience. "But now we have people of his intellectual capacity doing things and making insights that we would never have achieved in our environment of evolutionary adaptation."

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Mmm I go with the first, in the main I suspect because we no longer need to and because of the consumer society we have become, most of us, less inventive or curious or honest.


Facts are highly overrated. This world becomes much more interesting when one simply allows them to fall to the wayside. ;)
 
Facts are highly overrated. This world becomes much more interesting when one simply allows them to fall to the wayside. ;)

I wasn't thinking so much of bricks built apon the foundations of knowledge but of every day people Knight.

Of course as one person says in the article, how would we prove such a thing either way ? We can't but it is interesting in that, how do we, as normal individuals, use our brains for our betterment now any better than we ever have within stable societies ? Are we working out intelligently, how to keep stability ? It doesn't look like it to me ................ and happiness , where does that come on the 'to dos' list?

I only threw it in as of interest .not as a concrete anything :) I think there are many amongst us who are very disillusioned by mankind all together and have been for a long time
 
Sure... This election is over, but the insanity continues. Drama queens will always seek drama.

I don't read them Knight.

I find some of the RW arguments are legit, everywhere, not just in the USA, they just get them muddled up with emotional nosensicals to often......... and some of the left are Drama Queens too ;-)
 
I don't read them Knight.

I find some of the RW arguments are legit, everywhere, not just in the USA, they just get them muddled up with emotional nosensicals to often......... and some of the left are Drama Queens too ;-)


Yes, the insane fringes on both the left and the right circle back and become indistinguishable one from another. The one thing that they have in common is irrational thinking.
 
Yes, the insane fringes on both the left and the right circle back and become indistinguishable one from another. The one thing that they have in common is irrational thinking.


Or no grasp of the reality that we are all bros and sisters ..........Do you know how many of us may have sprung a few generations on from the loins of Gengis Khan ? Millions of us :)


And that all of us who now live came from one Mother 'out of Africa' ?
 
I wasn't thinking so much of bricks built apon the foundations of knowledge but of every day people Knight.

Of course as one person says in the article, how would we prove such a thing either way ? We can't but it is interesting in that, how do we, as normal individuals, use our brains for our betterment now any better than we ever have within stable societies ? Are we working out intelligently, how to keep stability ? It doesn't look like it to me ................ and happiness , where does that come on the 'to dos' list?

I only threw it in as of interest .not as a concrete anything :) I think there are many amongst us who are very disillusioned by mankind all together and have been for a long time

Life has become so complex now. Basic existence requires multi-tasking beyond what so many are capable of. Survival wasn't always the full time job that it seems to be now. Once the animal was killed the people would work together to skin it and prepare it for a meal. There was time for camaraderie to develop along with dependency on each other. People are now so involved in their own situations that they often stay aloof from other people.

Back in the 70's I remember reading about a study that was done in Canada. It involved rats that were crowded into minimal living spaces where they were in such close proximity that they became very agitated and anti-social. This was compared to a bunch that had more freedom. This seems to be happening with people now in a big way. Part of it seems to involve one's own natural tendency to be territorial. If you have more territory you're much more relaxed.

By not sharing as much people are more limited in what they can learn.
 
Yep... the cave men really had it made.

No war... No politics...

Just animal skinning bliss.

:) Fast forward a bit ................. We all have to admit times are more complex and our minds are being bombarded with unimportant nonsense as well as life being nedlessly far more stressful for everyone.

There is much to say for the simple life though so many of us don't wish for one, but even adventures are no fun when we are so squished together. Try looking for a flat in London .......... you'll be lucky to find a flimsy cupboard .......... it ain't healthy and yet we are still growing in numbers .we are not thinking in joined up writing.
 
I enjoy my modern conveniences and I don't care to live in London.



I have no problem with either Knight.

I don't think this article was a judgment anyway, nor was what I was meaning. Just that our minds were relatively clearer in past times ....we are become lazy and so it seems it is possible that now our minds are free to do so much more with no need to worry about the hunt and so on ...they actually are less capable. rusty ?
 
I have no problem with either Knight.

I don't think this article was a judgment anyway, nor was what I was meaning. Just that our minds were relatively clearer in past times ....we are become lazy and so it seems it is possible that now our minds are free to do so much more with no need to worry about the hunt and so on ...they actually are less capable. rusty ?

While I consider myself reasonably intelligent, and as many times as I switch a light on or off, I've often thought that if someone dropped me off in a jungle or something there is no way that I would have any idea of how to build a light bulb or the electricity to light it.

That reasoning applies to a whole lot of things that I've gotten used to living with. In fact, I would not be smart enough to survive in that jungle without any of those things that I've gotten used to as normal aspects of life today. I'd probably start right out eating something poisonous from not knowing any better.
 
It is more likely we have become too intelligent to survive. We are now capable of doing things to our environment that makes that more and more likely.
 
While I consider myself reasonably intelligent, and as many times as I switch a light on or off, I've often thought that if someone dropped me off in a jungle or something there is no way that I would have any idea of how to build a light bulb or the electricity to light it.

That reasoning applies to a whole lot of things that I've gotten used to living with. In fact, I would not be smart enough to survive in that jungle without any of those things that I've gotten used to as normal aspects of life today. I'd probably start right out eating something poisonous from not knowing any better.


You would be OK in the Jungle I expect, now the desert or Siberia would be another matter eh ? :)

I've roughed it a few times, apart from anything else it is boring because we are used to having leasure time or at least more stimulation, simple survival is satisfying for a while and maybe if there were good company at the end of the day but nah it is boring ......Though the scientist compared us to peoples of Athens so he was talking about us in civerlisation.
 
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