Assad interview
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Queen Titania
Senator
There is a very scary coalition forming who look worse than the ones they already have.
More and more now it is the children being used and abused in these 'Wars' isn't it ?
What the [Unwelcome language removed] is going on in this World of ours ? 'Islam' was the great Intellect before the Mongals destroyed it, what happened to it ? We really are so fragile aren't we ?
Queen Titania
Senator
The first Islamic World was quite wonderful and freethinking, it is the 'Barbarians' who always destroy. Within decent structures we flourish. Religious Dogmas are our problem not Religion its' self but Authoritarian restraints in any form.
And the more sophisticated the structure the more fragile it is.
The minorities in Syria want Assad to stay in power, they feel protected by him, any Authoritarian Islamic Group, of which we can be sure is the alternative, will wipe them out as happened in Iraq ....wonderful little religions, gone, completely gone.
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PACE
Guest
I gotta tell you, just because the guy says it, don't make it true
Look before Sharon had his stroke, he was negotiating with Syria over the Golan Heights, now given that Sharon, Rabin, Dayan, all the 67 day war team went soft and the high ranking member of the Stern Gang, shook hands with Sadat in recognitiion of Eqypt's recognition of Israel, tells me a lot
Sharon, who was under fire for his workings in Palestine, was also hinting at a settlement of sorts in the Golan Heights, here comes the litmus test
If Assad were so cosmopolitan and enlightened, why, why didn't he continue the discussion after Sharon's collaspe? this is the sign of a true leader.
The problem with the Middle East is this; they are more tied to tribal fealty than any other countries in the world, I cite the changing map of Europe.
Who were the heads of state during WWI? you had George in England, Vicky's grandson, in Russia, Nicky, Vicki's grandson, and in Germany, Willy, Vicky's grandson, who she held a special sympathy for, because of his withered arm.
To me, that's too much, waaaaaaaaaaaay too much tradition.
And in the middle east, the propensity of handing the staff and rod down to the son, well it's antiquated. and it doesn't work
Assad was trained and educated to be a doctor, how in the hell did he end up being a head of state? simple, his daddy directed it.
Same with Pakistan during the days of the Aga Khan, and of course, the only country with any balls but more diversification is Eqypt, Eqypt sat thru the centuries with family hand downs, and saw their whole system of government corrupted thru in-breeding, Why else would a "Tut" be crowned as a child and then die in official postion at 11?
It's rampant in the Middle East, and let's be clear, Assad is firing on his own people.
Now, I don't know about you, but the last time a government "fired on it's own people" here was the Lobsterman in Boston, during the Boston Massacre (yeah, I know, five people died, but that Paul Revere, he was some librul press pressing paper man eh?)
seriously, I don't see how this absolves Assad of his own workings, and if he wanted a legacy he could have had one; he could have reached out to Isreal on the Golan Heights, as a tribute to Sharon,
he didn't, he's no visionary, he's just grabbing at calculus to remain in power.
I'll point to Iran '53, A high holy man ran the country, the court system was a baby version of ours, in fact, Women could own property and keep after divorce, did you hear me? divorce. And Oh!, Iran voted, freely, but when Mohammed tried to nationalize the natural energy resources, WE stepped in and introduced BACK to Iran, the Peacock Throne, the Xeres school of fashion, now The Shah, had his own central forces, the SAVAK, and the Ayatollah? why he locked his own people in a theater in Tehran, and set it on fire, and blamed it on the SAVAK, that was the spark that drove the students out of the University to protest and overthrown the government. And every Western country gave sympathy to the devil, The Shah.
I read an article in the seventies where the Shah's son stated he wished to go back to Iran and reclaim the Peacock Throne.
Now I'll ask, there is one missing element in both sides of the argument, a free voice for the people, do you really think that Assad is giving his people a free voice?
The elements of freedom came in Iraq, when the CPA shut down Iraqi radio and that lunatic cleric took to the streets in protest, now I won't advocate what that little upstart did, BUT, it IS an indication of a sense of balance, a sense of wrongdoing, a sense of silencing the voice of the people.
Now if Assad wants to come and say "If you think I'm BAD, YOU should REALLY look at the other side".
The truth? real talk? I don't give a shit about them, I want our foreign policy quite simple, it's the FDR, Yalta policy;
We'll buy your oil (until we are out of this mess called fossil fuel) and leave your polemics and politics alone,
And I'd like to tie that to the French model:
We'll leave you alone, pinky promise, but if you attack us, we'll glassify you.
Regards
Pace
Look before Sharon had his stroke, he was negotiating with Syria over the Golan Heights, now given that Sharon, Rabin, Dayan, all the 67 day war team went soft and the high ranking member of the Stern Gang, shook hands with Sadat in recognitiion of Eqypt's recognition of Israel, tells me a lot
Sharon, who was under fire for his workings in Palestine, was also hinting at a settlement of sorts in the Golan Heights, here comes the litmus test
If Assad were so cosmopolitan and enlightened, why, why didn't he continue the discussion after Sharon's collaspe? this is the sign of a true leader.
The problem with the Middle East is this; they are more tied to tribal fealty than any other countries in the world, I cite the changing map of Europe.
Who were the heads of state during WWI? you had George in England, Vicky's grandson, in Russia, Nicky, Vicki's grandson, and in Germany, Willy, Vicky's grandson, who she held a special sympathy for, because of his withered arm.
To me, that's too much, waaaaaaaaaaaay too much tradition.
And in the middle east, the propensity of handing the staff and rod down to the son, well it's antiquated. and it doesn't work
Assad was trained and educated to be a doctor, how in the hell did he end up being a head of state? simple, his daddy directed it.
Same with Pakistan during the days of the Aga Khan, and of course, the only country with any balls but more diversification is Eqypt, Eqypt sat thru the centuries with family hand downs, and saw their whole system of government corrupted thru in-breeding, Why else would a "Tut" be crowned as a child and then die in official postion at 11?
It's rampant in the Middle East, and let's be clear, Assad is firing on his own people.
Now, I don't know about you, but the last time a government "fired on it's own people" here was the Lobsterman in Boston, during the Boston Massacre (yeah, I know, five people died, but that Paul Revere, he was some librul press pressing paper man eh?)
seriously, I don't see how this absolves Assad of his own workings, and if he wanted a legacy he could have had one; he could have reached out to Isreal on the Golan Heights, as a tribute to Sharon,
he didn't, he's no visionary, he's just grabbing at calculus to remain in power.
I'll point to Iran '53, A high holy man ran the country, the court system was a baby version of ours, in fact, Women could own property and keep after divorce, did you hear me? divorce. And Oh!, Iran voted, freely, but when Mohammed tried to nationalize the natural energy resources, WE stepped in and introduced BACK to Iran, the Peacock Throne, the Xeres school of fashion, now The Shah, had his own central forces, the SAVAK, and the Ayatollah? why he locked his own people in a theater in Tehran, and set it on fire, and blamed it on the SAVAK, that was the spark that drove the students out of the University to protest and overthrown the government. And every Western country gave sympathy to the devil, The Shah.
I read an article in the seventies where the Shah's son stated he wished to go back to Iran and reclaim the Peacock Throne.
Now I'll ask, there is one missing element in both sides of the argument, a free voice for the people, do you really think that Assad is giving his people a free voice?
The elements of freedom came in Iraq, when the CPA shut down Iraqi radio and that lunatic cleric took to the streets in protest, now I won't advocate what that little upstart did, BUT, it IS an indication of a sense of balance, a sense of wrongdoing, a sense of silencing the voice of the people.
Now if Assad wants to come and say "If you think I'm BAD, YOU should REALLY look at the other side".
The truth? real talk? I don't give a shit about them, I want our foreign policy quite simple, it's the FDR, Yalta policy;
We'll buy your oil (until we are out of this mess called fossil fuel) and leave your polemics and politics alone,
And I'd like to tie that to the French model:
We'll leave you alone, pinky promise, but if you attack us, we'll glassify you.
Regards
Pace
Queen Titania
Senator
PACE you don't physically and actually need their Oil, not that Syria has any, but you do want the Petro Dollar, that is what this is all about from your countrys' pov. $$$$$$$$$ nothing else.
Why should Syria attack you ? And what has European Monarchy to do with modern day politics ?
Tribes are the best way in my book, we work better in small groups and then trade between those groups ...it is we who are become too large, it isn't natural. The City States of old were more creative and inventive ..............we are just to big.
And I think that is what Assad said, the alternative to me is not a good idea and that if the people really didn't want me I would be gone by now.
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PACE
Guest
Nonsense Queen, I watched the OPEC slaughter in the seventies, in fact, I was part of it trying to level the playing field, OPEC is not the "model" for your small tribe theory, it was an increase banking system, and Syria, typically, wanted more per barrel than any other country, they were all on their way to extreme riches,
Are you going to sit there and tell me that this wasn't so?
So what did our government do? a very smart thing, invest in Nigeria and Venezuela, help them to develop their own reserves, OUTSIDE of OPEC, Nixon said he would break the back of OPEC and he did.
You cannot continually hold a world hostage over energy, sooner or later, the world gets tired of it,
So tell me, where is China looking today, they aren't stupid, they are looking to the oil sands in Canada; do you see China changing the political landscape of Canada? Nope, and we never wanted to change the political landscape of the Middle East,
BUT we got entangled in their Munchasen by Proxy sickness over Palestine; you forget, Jordan and Eqypt BOTH did what they thought was good by setting up camp cities in the Jeddah desert, What is Queen Noor's most endearing legacy? petitioning for the relief of the Palestinian people.
She isn't disrespected by the Israelis for her work, she is admired.
And with regards to Europe, I'll say it again, inbreeding doesn't lead to the kind of heads of state that a free people will tolerate for long, you seem to forget Nicky's works in Russia, he was not the most benevolent ruler, and Willy? gimme a break, the guy was a barbarian.
And the only one, the only one, I had any use for in reading, is Teddy, you know, the guy that abdicated? he at least fought real and hard for his country, and was greatly admired for it.
And he did the honorable thing after falling in love, he abdicated, because of Baldwin and other stuffed shirts too afraid to buck tradition.
Look, to me, stating that the middle east had small tribes and they worked together is nonsense, I'll point to "Persian versus Arab" syndrome, you gonna tell me that doesn't exist to this day?
The Arab world invented the span bridge, a technological wonder, but when it comes to bridging their own politics, they fail.
Some Arabs still talk about Andalusia as if it occurred yesterday at 2:30 pm
Gimme a break, these people are semites, and they are semite in their thinking, to say that Assad is innocent, is unbelievable, he might be incompetent, that I'll give him, but innocent?
Allepo, points to the reverse.
Regards
Pace
Are you going to sit there and tell me that this wasn't so?
So what did our government do? a very smart thing, invest in Nigeria and Venezuela, help them to develop their own reserves, OUTSIDE of OPEC, Nixon said he would break the back of OPEC and he did.
You cannot continually hold a world hostage over energy, sooner or later, the world gets tired of it,
So tell me, where is China looking today, they aren't stupid, they are looking to the oil sands in Canada; do you see China changing the political landscape of Canada? Nope, and we never wanted to change the political landscape of the Middle East,
BUT we got entangled in their Munchasen by Proxy sickness over Palestine; you forget, Jordan and Eqypt BOTH did what they thought was good by setting up camp cities in the Jeddah desert, What is Queen Noor's most endearing legacy? petitioning for the relief of the Palestinian people.
She isn't disrespected by the Israelis for her work, she is admired.
And with regards to Europe, I'll say it again, inbreeding doesn't lead to the kind of heads of state that a free people will tolerate for long, you seem to forget Nicky's works in Russia, he was not the most benevolent ruler, and Willy? gimme a break, the guy was a barbarian.
And the only one, the only one, I had any use for in reading, is Teddy, you know, the guy that abdicated? he at least fought real and hard for his country, and was greatly admired for it.
And he did the honorable thing after falling in love, he abdicated, because of Baldwin and other stuffed shirts too afraid to buck tradition.
Look, to me, stating that the middle east had small tribes and they worked together is nonsense, I'll point to "Persian versus Arab" syndrome, you gonna tell me that doesn't exist to this day?
The Arab world invented the span bridge, a technological wonder, but when it comes to bridging their own politics, they fail.
Some Arabs still talk about Andalusia as if it occurred yesterday at 2:30 pm
Gimme a break, these people are semites, and they are semite in their thinking, to say that Assad is innocent, is unbelievable, he might be incompetent, that I'll give him, but innocent?
Allepo, points to the reverse.
Regards
Pace
Queen Titania
Senator
I haven't said anything about Assad being innocent, I asked if we know who we are arming.
And I am perfectly aware of my own Lands devastating interference. As for my Head of State ..say what you will, I like yours no better than you like mine, so what ? Teddy, who on Earth ? And you a Nazi hater ? .He was a close friend of and loved Hitler .............. I do have increasing doubts about us fighting either of the World Wars so I don't argue agin him but he was not as romantic as you are making out.
As for the Tzar .mmmmm well we know what happened to the surfs after he was murdered don't we ? Are you arguing for a bloody revolution ? Which was not The Peoples Revolution, not by any means but was backed by men in very high places in the USA .............they very usually are not of th people for the people, that is pure romance. As this now in Syria is not The Peoples Revolution either.
I don't really know what your argument is here PACE, are you saying America has no interests in the Middle East apart from Israel ?
That your countrys' interferances in South America were of no consiquence ?
I asked do we know who we are arming in Syria ?
If you think I am arguing against Trading between 'tribes' .......... I am not. I simply believe we work better in smaller groups. Sure under the umbrella of a larger entity but this is now going the wrong way in both of our continents, I believe. Just an observation
And I am perfectly aware of my own Lands devastating interference. As for my Head of State ..say what you will, I like yours no better than you like mine, so what ? Teddy, who on Earth ? And you a Nazi hater ? .He was a close friend of and loved Hitler .............. I do have increasing doubts about us fighting either of the World Wars so I don't argue agin him but he was not as romantic as you are making out.
As for the Tzar .mmmmm well we know what happened to the surfs after he was murdered don't we ? Are you arguing for a bloody revolution ? Which was not The Peoples Revolution, not by any means but was backed by men in very high places in the USA .............they very usually are not of th people for the people, that is pure romance. As this now in Syria is not The Peoples Revolution either.
I don't really know what your argument is here PACE, are you saying America has no interests in the Middle East apart from Israel ?
That your countrys' interferances in South America were of no consiquence ?
I asked do we know who we are arming in Syria ?
If you think I am arguing against Trading between 'tribes' .......... I am not. I simply believe we work better in smaller groups. Sure under the umbrella of a larger entity but this is now going the wrong way in both of our continents, I believe. Just an observation
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PACE
Guest
Selective discussion Queen, you know full well when Teddy met Hitler, he was governor of the Bahama's, and Fleet Street yanked him out of there after this became public, and Wallis called Attaturk, "arresting", so vital, and full of energy,
I am talking about the British crown getting into a war, and saving their own skin,
I am not interested in the Semite way of thinking, I understand it, but really, not interested, too much 'pre-destination" in my book, that's why I sneer at the extemists in this country,
Who is arming the insurgents? take a page from history Queen, the French armed us in the colonies, they lent us money, it was more Imperialistic bull-shit in my view.
I have no imperial viewpoints when it comes to Syria, and take your own advice; the Brits have a long tradition of getting kicked out of the "colonies" Eygpt, India, and yes, the West Indies,
Getting kicked out of Jamaica because of the bauxite mines, should have been a lesson in my view, done quite peaceably I might add at the end.
So to me, to talk about "too large" is a little bit of an oxymoron; too large was Britian and their colonies, it did them no good in the end.
And again, If free people don't like their leaders "firing upon them", then they have the right to protest AND they have the right to die for it.
we did, why can't the Syrians?
Remember, the time space continum in the Middle East is a shorter scale than a Western mind can comprehend.
Regards
Pace
I am talking about the British crown getting into a war, and saving their own skin,
I am not interested in the Semite way of thinking, I understand it, but really, not interested, too much 'pre-destination" in my book, that's why I sneer at the extemists in this country,
Who is arming the insurgents? take a page from history Queen, the French armed us in the colonies, they lent us money, it was more Imperialistic bull-shit in my view.
I have no imperial viewpoints when it comes to Syria, and take your own advice; the Brits have a long tradition of getting kicked out of the "colonies" Eygpt, India, and yes, the West Indies,
Getting kicked out of Jamaica because of the bauxite mines, should have been a lesson in my view, done quite peaceably I might add at the end.
So to me, to talk about "too large" is a little bit of an oxymoron; too large was Britian and their colonies, it did them no good in the end.
And again, If free people don't like their leaders "firing upon them", then they have the right to protest AND they have the right to die for it.
we did, why can't the Syrians?
Remember, the time space continum in the Middle East is a shorter scale than a Western mind can comprehend.
Regards
Pace
Queen Titania
Senator
Baby, do I need a quicky History lesson on one Empire disconnected to all else ( Imperium et Libertas.) and a quicky white wash from your pov of an ex King and Emperor of the British Empire ? Well not really ......still never mind where were we ?
LOL I get it you are no fan of my Country .....I get it
But History has lessons.If it is Civil War PACE, is it ? The Syrians and many journalists who live to tell the tale; so far at least 70 journalists have died in this hurly burly; are saying that most of the 'rebels' are foreign Jahadis .................. so do we know who are we arming ? is what I asked
And Syria is a Republic, they do have elections ...........ok akin to George Bush type 'elections' but just sayin' .when you speak of ousting their Prez ........be careful what you ask for ?
And I don't understand what you mean by the West not understanding the time space continum in the Middle East.
gabriel
Governor
solution to what??
gabriel
Governor
you know very little of what edward and wallis were up to. as for china? yes they will try and mould the political landscape of canada and if you think they wont, youre very naive.
Queen Titania
Senator
That isn't the question this thread is supposed to be dealing with though Jack. The question is :- Who are we arming ?
NightSwimmer
Senator
Queen Titania
Senator
You know perfectly well what I mean.
There really is no point in bring up anything here that is not to do with domestic American right wing vs left wing politics is there ?
NightSwimmer
Senator
Prove to me that my nation is arming anyone in Syria first.
Then explain why the arming of these people is an improper decision.
Then we'll have something to discuss.
Queen Titania
Senator
Can't be bother Knight
It is all out there to find ................enough journalists and Syrians are saying it, for people who want to know what is really going on to find for themselves ..............I mean this is page 4 ...................just being bashed down all the time gets so tiresome.
We should not be arming anyone in my opinion. Eveyone killed in the Syrian war is an enemy to the United States, so I don't care how many of them are brought to room temperature. Arming one side of the other is a waste of money.
