Background Checks

[trapdoor]

YOU guys are the ones who dream up this "They'll pass a law confiscating everybody's guns....but if we don't have registration, they won't be able to do it!"

Well? If they did pass such a law....first place they'd go is the NRA membership list. Yet you guys encourage people to JOIN the NRA and put their name on that list.

Yet another contradiction. (Along with the "need our guns to fight the military of a tyranny" meme...contradicted by the "the military are honorable and patriotic and would support us" retort)

I've never said they'd pass a law confiscating everybody's gun. That law wouldn't pass. First they'll do something like require a Firearms Owners ID Card for the purchase of ammo (Illinois already does this). Then they'll do something like limiting the amount of ammo you can buy. Then they'll limit the number of guns you can own. Then they'll say you have to have a reason to purchase a gun before they'll issue the card (a couple of states already do this), and then they'll make it difficult to get the card, meaning you can't legally purchase a gun.

I'm not concerned about the elimination of my civil rights. I'm concerned about the gradual erosion of them until they effectively don't exist.

 

[trapdoor]

They'd come in handy if you got hungry, I guess...

I used to have a t-shirt that said "Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms -- who's bringing the chips?"

 

[NightSwimmer]

There are several on this forum. Either that, or they are liars.

You can pretend to be unaware of the Cincinnati Revolution of 1977 if you want, but you aren't fooling me.

 

[trapdoor]

There are several on this forum. Either that, or they are liars.

You can pretend to be unaware of the Cincinnati Revolution of 1977 if you want, but you aren't fooling me.

I assume you're talking about when Neal Knox, et al., took control of the NRA and set the foundation for the creation of the NRA-ILA. That didn't change the core function of the NRA, which is what it has been since the 1870s -- the promotion of civilian marksmanship.

 

[MaryAnne]

They'd come in handy if you got hungry, I guess...

I might just stick a chip in your neck,Night! That is what England just voted on.Chips in the necks of all dogs.I see no reason for us not to have one.Just think,if we get Alzheimers and get lost,they can find us right away!

My new car watches me and talks to me,why not a chip? Insurance companies are putting in one to check your mileage.Do not drive a lot? Big Insurance discount!

 

[fairsheet]

The warrant thing raises still another issue with registration. How do you confirm the registration -- does having a registered gun give the police inspection rights?

I should qualify that I'm not necessarily advocating for universal registration. I agree with you that as a practical matter, it would have little positive effect - at least in and of itself. Although...I would suggest that if our culture/politic is sufficiently sanguine to allow for universal registration, our culture/politic would probably be less inclined to the untoward use of guns. It's a chicken or the egg thing.

In any case...I'm just sorta poking fun at those who would suggest that registration is such a bad thing - even as it may not be all that good a thing!

 

[trapdoor]

I should qualify that I'm not necessarily advocating for universal registration. I agree with you that as a practical matter, it would have little positive effect - at least in and of itself. Although...I would suggest that if our culture/politic is sufficiently sanguine to allow for universal registration, our culture/politic would probably be less inclined to the untoward use of guns. It's a chicken or the egg thing.

In any case...I'm just sorta poking fun at those who would suggest that registration is such a bad thing - even as it may not be all that good a thing!

People like me are always criticized for being paranoid about gun confiscation. We're not paranoid -- we can point to other countries, such as the UK, where it has actually happened. Whether you favor registration or not, you have to acknowledge that if confiscation were ever desired, registration would facilitate the process.

But as I said above, I'm not concerned about any immediate confiscation. I think the laws will just gradually become more and more restrictive until our civil right is simply eroded away. I hope to slow or stop that process and I will do what I can politicly to do so.