Can a right winger explain this method of thought to me ?

[Spamature]

How come I hear people on the right say that there exist a "fair share" those at the bottom should pay ?

But I have never hear from them about a "fair share" those at the bottom should be paid ?

 

[Deleted member 21794]

This is very simple: government taxation should be fair. And it's not fair for people to pay little to nothing, especially when they are more likely to be benefiting from the efforts of others through EIC and other welfare programs.

Wages are not dictated by government for the most part and are dependent on a person's value based on the work they are doing, the demand for it, their abilities, education etc.

 

[Spamature]

This is very simple: government taxation should be fair. And it's not fair for people to pay little to nothing, especially when they are more likely to be benefiting from the efforts of others through EIC and other welfare programs.

Wages are not dictated by government for the most part and are dependent on a person's value based on the work they are doing, the demand for it, their abilities, education etc.

Yes they are. Ultimately they are dictated by taxation. Taxation could be structure to dictate a maximum wages if it was so desired by taxing income beyond a certain level at 100% . You would say that that is unfair. Yet there exist right now a level of compensation at the bottom structured by the govt so that it directly puts an individual in a much more unfair position than the hypothetical person taxed at 100% beyond a certain level.

 

[IndependentinWis]

This is very simple: government taxation should be fair. And it's not fair for people to pay little to nothing, especially when they are more likely to be benefiting from the efforts of others through EIC and other welfare programs.

Wages are not dictated by government for the most part and are dependent on a person's value based on the work they are doing, the demand for it, their abilities, education etc.

Are you just this stupid, or too right wing to think. Most families of four, who earn 40 grand or less, pay a greater percentage of their income in taxes than the very rich. I am not going to waste my time to explain it again. Just to say maybe not in Federal Income taxes, but in all of the other taxes, fees and licenses that cost the poor and middle class so much.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Yes they are. Ultimately they are dictated by taxation. Taxation could be structure to dictate a maximum wages if it was so desired by taxing income beyond a certain level at 100% . You would say that that is unfair. Yet there exist right now a level of compensation at the bottom structured by the govt so that it directly puts an individual in a much more unfair position than the hypothetical person taxed at 100% beyond a certain level.

Not only would a 100% tax be foolish, it would also be destructive. But obviously you primarily meant it hypothetically to make a point.

As far as a fair wage- even if you believe it's government's job to dictate that, the federal level is the last place to do it. Take the federal minimum wage, for example. The lower an hourly wage, the more difference it can make in different geographical locations. For example, $12 per hour might be livable in Alabama, but not in San Francisco. So a federal mandate is ineffective.

Furthermore, the totality of each individual's situation is going to dictate a different living wage for that person. Let's say two guys work at Pizza Hut and both get that $15 per hour people have been pushing. The single does OK, but the guy married with four kids doesn't do so well. Also in figuring out what wages should be, how does government decide? Does a single person have a right to be able to afford an apartment on his own? How many bedrooms? Does he have a right to be able to afford to a car? If so, how nice a car? Government can't possibly figure things like this out, they can't even balance a checkbook.

 

[Dawg]

nothing is for FREE
at least it use to not be
now some don't even pay sales tax on they food.................

property taxes=$O, Income taxes=$O, yet at first of year can get $1000's back from Uncle Θ

at the same time driving new automobiles on roads they don't pay a dime in taxes for........

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Are you just this stupid, or too right wing to think. Most families of four, who earn 40 grand or less, pay a greater percentage of their income in taxes than the very rich. I am not going to waste my time to explain it again. Just to say maybe not in Federal Income taxes, but in all of the other taxes, fees and licenses that cost the poor and middle class so much.

A family of four making $40,000 is likely paying no federal income tax- but they should.

Also, it costs essentially the same amount to provide basic government services such as 911 service, roads and infrastructure to a poor child as a rich executive. So obviously the family making $40,000 will have to pitch in a higher percentage for these and other services than a family making $400,000. And obviously the more people earn, the less that percentage is going to be.

I suspect the problem with you is a combination of plain stupidity with some greed and envy sprinkled in to keep you upset and voting Democrat and thinking they'll someday "fix" this. Sucker!!!! You have all the tools and information you need to see that the real problem is government wasting and spending too much money. Sadly, your lack of critical thinking skills and base emotions ruling your brain preclude you from looking at the situation with a rational mind.

Like Barack Obama says, everyone needs to have skin in the game. And it's long past time the poor start paying up and paying attention to how much government costs.

 

[Dawg]

Are you just this stupid, or too right wing to think. Most families of four, who earn 40 grand or less, pay a greater percentage of their income in taxes than the very rich. I am not going to waste my time to explain it again. Just to say maybe not in Federal Income taxes, but in all of the other taxes, fees and licenses that cost the poor and middle class so much.

so why do they have more mouths to feed than they can afford? How do you know they pay property taxes_______if on food stamps they don't even pay state sales tax.............and you're calling Thinker "stupid".......one purchase from the "very rich" could be more sales tax than they pay in a couple years+.

 

[Spamature]

Not only would a 100% tax be foolish, it would also be destructive. But obviously you primarily meant it hypothetically to make a point.

As far as a fair wage- even if you believe it's government's job to dictate that, the federal level is the last place to do it. Take the federal minimum wage, for example. The lower an hourly wage, the more difference it can make in different geographical locations. For example, $12 per hour might be livable in Alabama, but not in San Francisco. So a federal mandate is ineffective.

Furthermore, the totality of each individual's situation is going to dictate a different living wage for that person. Let's say two guys work at Pizza Hut and both get that $15 per hour people have been pushing. The single does OK, but the guy married with four kids doesn't do so well. Also in figuring out what wages should be, how does government decide? Does a single person have a right to be able to afford an apartment on his own? How many bedrooms? Does he have a right to be able to afford to a car? If so, how nice a car? Government can't possibly figure things like this out, they can't even balance a checkbook.

But the under the current federal minimum wage neither can afford the amenities you speak of. Also you brought up the EIC and other programs which does tax those two individual ultimately different rates by allowing one to take advantage of them while the other would be excluded from them should their compensation rise to $15/hr.

Also the conservative fair share argument calls for the either the removal or the negating of those differences by increasing taxation on the bottom which enhances the very unfairness you claimed they create.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

But the under the current federal minimum wage neither can afford the amenities you speak of.

Bummer. And there should never, ever be assurances and mandates by government that wages provide any specific amenities.

Also you brought up the EIC and other programs which does tax those two individual ultimately different rates by allowing one to take advantage of them while the other would be excluded from them should their compensation rise to $15/hr.

Good point. Let's cut the budgets of those programs waaaaay back to reduce that unfairness.

Also the conservative fair share argument calls for the either the removal or the negating of those differences by increasing taxation on the bottom which enhances the very unfairness you claimed they create.

Not really. As stated to the clown claiming he's an *Independent* from Wisconsin, it costs essentially the same amount to provide basic government services to individuals. I think there's a 911 tax on our phone bills. Everyone pays X. That's the way it should be. Everyone should pay X cents per gallon on fuel. There are many taxes that are fair by their very nature. Clearly the people making lower wages will pay a higher percentage of their income in the TOTALITY of taxes. Of course that's fair, given and again it costs essentially the same amount of money to provide each person essential services.

 

[Spamature]

A family of four making $40,000 is likely paying no federal income tax- but they should.

Also, it costs essentially the same amount to provide basic government services such as 911 service, roads and infrastructure to a poor child as a rich executive. So obviously the family making $40,000 will have to pitch in a higher percentage for these and other services than a family making $400,000. And obviously the more people earn, the less that percentage is going to be.

I suspect the problem with you is a combination of plain stupidity with some greed and envy sprinkled in to keep you upset and voting Democrat and thinking they'll someday "fix" this. Sucker!!!! You have all the tools and information you need to see that the real problem is government wasting and spending too much money. Sadly, your lack of critical thinking skills and base emotions ruling your brain preclude you from looking at the situation with a rational mind.

Like Barack Obama says, everyone needs to have skin in the game. And it's long past time the poor start paying up and paying attention to how much government costs.

Do you think that poor person get the same 9/11 response or has the same level of road and infrastructure maintenance in their area as the poor person ?

 

[NinaS]

How come I hear people on the right say that there exist a "fair share" those at the bottom should pay ?

But I have never hear from them about a "fair share" those at the bottom should be paid ?

I think someone forgot that he said he's an "Independent". You ask if a "right winger" could explain and look who steps up first. Did you ever have any doubt? I sure as hell didn't.

 

[Spamature]

Bummer. And there should never, ever be assurances and mandates by government that wages provide any specific amenities.



Good point. Let's cut the budgets of those programs waaaaay back to reduce that unfairness.



Not really. As stated to the clown claiming he's an *Independent* from Wisconsin, it costs essentially the same amount to provide basic government services to individuals. I think there's a 911 tax on our phone bills. Everyone pays X. That's the way it should be. Everyone should pay X cents per gallon on fuel. There are many taxes that are fair by their very nature. Clearly the people making lower wages will pay a higher percentage of their income in the TOTALITY of taxes. Of course that's fair, given and again it costs essentially the same amount of money to provide each person essential services.

You are saying there should be no minimum wage then. Because the very purpose of wages is to provide amenities.

Now you are saying that there should be a cut to these program (compensation to those at the bottom) in the name of "fairness". Which is my very point. You feel there is no fair share compensation for those at the bottom but you feel that an equal taxation which has a disparately different impacts on those at the top vs the bottom is" fair".

 

[Dawg]

Do you think that poor person get the same 9/11 response or has the same level of road and infrastructure maintenance in their area as the poor person ?

majority of the poor you post of have FREE cell phones and therefore do NOT pay any damn thing...................surely you get out of the basement don't you Spam____look about at your poor you speak of, they wear top designer hoodies (they not cheap) have the newest Cell phones out (Bush/Θ phones probably in a drawer at home) and check out their RIDES and $2000 RIMS.

You may run this pity party on liberals, you can't run it down on people with eye sight.

Since for every 1 black killed by cops 40 blacks are killed by blacks, yeah, they get same 9/11 response and yeah, their roads and bridges are same as all Americans. (stupid question) unless you're saying liberal controlled cities/states don't keep roads up?

 

[Dawg]

I think someone forgot that he said he's an "Independent". You ask if a "right winger" could explain and look who steps up first. Did you ever have any doubt? I sure as hell didn't.

Such outstanding Content to topic........WOW...........Big Flames as well.................so PJ has a NEW RULE and only right wingers and opine on lib questions or what?

 

[Dawg]

You are saying there should be no minimum wage then. Because the very purpose of wages is to provide amenities.

Now you are saying that there should be a cut to these program (compensation to those at the bottom) in the name of "fairness". Which is my very point. You feel there is no fair share compensation for those at the bottom but you feel that an equal taxation which has a disparately different impacts on those at the top vs the bottom is" fair".

Those at the "bottom" had 12 years of school offered as is offered to EVERY American (now illegals) so who's fault is it they dropped out of school or didn't try to take advantage of that FREE education paid for by taxpayers?

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Do you think that poor person get the same 9/11 response or has the same level of road and infrastructure maintenance in their area as the poor person ?

Yes.

 

[Spamature]

Yes.

Then you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about or you are lying.