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Comey Was Wrong

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Says who? Says Comey:

Former FBI director James Comey on Sunday said he was wrong about the FBI's handling of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to investigate former Trump campaign official Carter Page.

"He's right, I was wrong," Comey said, referring to Inspector General Michael Horowitz's finding that the FBI made at least 17 "errors or omissions" in obtaining the warrant.

Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace asked Comey about his claims that he had "total confidence" in the FBI's handling of FISA warrants.

"I was overconfident in the procedures that the FBI and Justice have built over 20 years," Comey said. "I thought they were robust enough. It's incredibly hard to get a FISA. I was overconfident in those because he's right, there was real sloppiness. Seventeen things that either should have been in the application or at least discussed and characterized differently. It was not acceptable. So he's right, I was wrong."


Complete text: https://freebeacon.com/politics/comey-i-was-wrong/


Will that matter to the haters?

Not a snowball's chance in Ecuador….

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Zam-Zam said:
Says who? Says Comey:

Former FBI director James Comey on Sunday said he was wrong about the FBI's handling of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to investigate former Trump campaign official Carter Page.

"He's right, I was wrong," Comey said, referring to Inspector General Michael Horowitz's finding that the FBI made at least 17 "errors or omissions" in obtaining the warrant.

Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace asked Comey about his claims that he had "total confidence" in the FBI's handling of FISA warrants.

"I was overconfident in the procedures that the FBI and Justice have built over 20 years," Comey said. "I thought they were robust enough. It's incredibly hard to get a FISA. I was overconfident in those because he's right, there was real sloppiness. Seventeen things that either should have been in the application or at least discussed and characterized differently. It was not acceptable. So he's right, I was wrong."


Complete text: https://freebeacon.com/politics/comey-i-was-wrong/


Will that matter to the haters?

Not a snowball's chance in Ecuador….

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It's too late for him. He's still going down.

However, his admission that FISA was tainted does not bode well for the Obama/Clinton cartel. If the initial warrant to spy on the Trump campaign was obtained fraudulently, not only is all evidence resulting from it tainted/inadmissible, it exposes the heart of the coup, an illegal attempt by the Democrats and their toadies in the DOJ/FBI to overthrow the legitimately elected government of the United States.

We used to hang people for that...
 
marvin martian said:
It's too late for him. He's still going down.

However, his admission that FISA was tainted does not bode well for the Obama/Clinton cartel. If the initial warrant to spy on the Trump campaign was obtained fraudulently, not only is all evidence resulting from it tainted/inadmissible, it exposes the heart of the coup, an illegal attempt by the Democrats and their toadies in the DOJ/FBI to overthrow the legitimately elected government of the United States.

We used to hang people for that...
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If the warrant is tainted, legally speaking anything garnered by it is also tainted, no? Fruit of the poisonous tree, and all that.

Fruit of the Poisonous Tree

A doctrine that extends the exclusionary rule to make evidence inadmissible in court if it was derived from evidence that was illegally obtained. As the metaphor suggests, if the evidential "tree" is tainted, so is its "fruit." The doctrine was established in 1920 by the decision in Silverthorne Lumber Co. v. United States, and the phrase "fruit of the poisonous tree" was coined by Justice Frankfurter in his 1939 opinion in Nardone v. United States.


Complete text: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree
 
Zam-Zam said:
Says who? Says Comey:

Former FBI director James Comey on Sunday said he was wrong about the FBI's handling of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to investigate former Trump campaign official Carter Page.

"He's right, I was wrong," Comey said, referring to Inspector General Michael Horowitz's finding that the FBI made at least 17 "errors or omissions" in obtaining the warrant.

Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace asked Comey about his claims that he had "total confidence" in the FBI's handling of FISA warrants.

"I was overconfident in the procedures that the FBI and Justice have built over 20 years," Comey said. "I thought they were robust enough. It's incredibly hard to get a FISA. I was overconfident in those because he's right, there was real sloppiness. Seventeen things that either should have been in the application or at least discussed and characterized differently. It was not acceptable. So he's right, I was wrong."


Complete text: https://freebeacon.com/politics/comey-i-was-wrong/


Will that matter to the haters?

Not a snowball's chance in Ecuador….
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Love this part too...


Chris Wallace: One of the central issues is the role that the Steele dossier played which was oppo-research paid for by the Democrats, what role it played in getting the FISA warrants to surveil Page. Again, here's your version and again here is the inspector general.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

James Comey: My recollection was it was part of a broader mosaic of facts that were laid before the FISA judge to obtain a FISA warrant.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

Male Speaker: And we concluded that the Steele reporting played a central and essential role in the decision to seek a FISA order.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

Chris Wallace: Horowitz says it wasn't part -- as you told Bret Baier -- it wasn't part of a broader mosaic. He said it played an essential role in establishing probable cause. In fact, he says, if it hadn't been for the Steele dossier, the FBI probably would haven't even submitted a FISA application -- that it had been reviewed in April of 2016 -- or August, rather, of 2016 -- they decided not to do it. They get the Steele dossier. They do it. It wasn't part of a broader mosaic. That's what you said, sir.

James Comey: I'm not sure he and I are saying different things. What his report says is that the FBI thought it was a close call until they got the Steele report, put that additional information in, and that tipped it over to be probable cause. It's a long FISA application. It includes Steele material and lots of other material. I don't think we're saying different things.

Chris Wallace: Well, I think you are, sir, because he's saying -- you're saying it's part of a broader mosaic; it's just one element. He's saying it was the tipping point. It's what brought it over. That doesn't make it part of a broader mosaic; it makes it the centerpiece of the whole FISA application and the ability to surveil Carter Page.

James Comey: Yeah. I don't understand it to be saying that. I could be wrong about that --

Chris Wallace: Well, I've just -- I've got his --

James Comey: -- I understand --

Chris Wallace: -- quote here. He says, "We concluded the Steele reporting played a central and essential role in the decision to seek a FISA warrant, that it pushed the FISA proposal over the line in terms of establishing probable cause." I mean, he says --

James Comey: Yeah.

Chris Wallace: -- what he says. Words mean something.

James Comey: Yeah. And I agree with his characterization. I'm just confused -- I no -- I don't see the disconnect between the two of us. And I'm sorry that I'm missing it.
 
Zam-Zam said:
If the warrant is tainted, legally speaking anything garnered by it is also tainted, no? Fruit of the poisonous tree, and all that.

Fruit of the Poisonous Tree

A doctrine that extends the exclusionary rule to make evidence inadmissible in court if it was derived from evidence that was illegally obtained. As the metaphor suggests, if the evidential "tree" is tainted, so is its "fruit." The doctrine was established in 1920 by the decision in Silverthorne Lumber Co. v. United States, and the phrase "fruit of the poisonous tree" was coined by Justice Frankfurter in his 1939 opinion in Nardone v. United States.


Complete text: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree
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I don't know if this applies, since the impeachment is not a legal proceeding, just a political temper tantrum from the Dems because they hate Trump. However, the fraudulent FISA warrants certainly give the Republicans massive ammunition against the nutters.

The impeachment trial in the Senate, if there is one, will undoubtedly play heavily on the fact that the entire basis for the coup has now been exposed as fraudulent, illegal, and possibly treasonous.
 
Zam-Zam said:
Says who? Says Comey:

Former FBI director James Comey on Sunday said he was wrong about the FBI's handling of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to investigate former Trump campaign official Carter Page.

"He's right, I was wrong," Comey said, referring to Inspector General Michael Horowitz's finding that the FBI made at least 17 "errors or omissions" in obtaining the warrant.

Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace asked Comey about his claims that he had "total confidence" in the FBI's handling of FISA warrants.

"I was overconfident in the procedures that the FBI and Justice have built over 20 years," Comey said. "I thought they were robust enough. It's incredibly hard to get a FISA. I was overconfident in those because he's right, there was real sloppiness. Seventeen things that either should have been in the application or at least discussed and characterized differently. It was not acceptable. So he's right, I was wrong."


Complete text: https://freebeacon.com/politics/comey-i-was-wrong/


Will that matter to the haters?

Not a snowball's chance in Ecuador….

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Have you ever noticed that wrongdoing is inevitably euphemized as "sloppiness" when a certain agenda is at play?

Poor penmanship is sloppiness. Bad housekeeping is sloppiness. Splattering food about as one cooks or eats is sloppiness.

Refusal to report required templated aspects in a FORMULAIC application is not "sloppiness". And that's just (1) of (17) issues covered here. If I am filling out a CANNED form, or populating a spreadsheet with pre-populated drop down boxes, care must be taken to FAIL to comply. Boilerplate forms and checklists typically safeguard against the 'creativity' to stray from the formula.

I suppose if I go to the surgeon and he lops off the wrong limb I should just slough that off to a lack of neatness/sloppiness? "Oh, fiddle-dee-dee...sloppy me..."

Great job, FBI. Fantastic good faith scrutiny, media - what a fine and much needed watchdog you are. Perhaps Dan Rather can pen another opinion piece on the centrality of your role in assuring proper scrutiny and accountability. Ahh, the nobility of The Fourth Estate.

Perma-bureaucrats and DNC-media is what we have. Expect the outcomes to continue on this trajectory.
 
RickWA said:
Have you ever noticed that wrongdoing is inevitably euphemized as "sloppiness" when a certain agenda is at play?

Poor penmanship is sloppiness. Bad housekeeping is sloppiness. Splattering food about as one cooks or eats is sloppiness.

Refusal to report required templated aspects in a FORMULAIC application is not "sloppiness". And that's just (1) of (17) issues covered here. If I am filling out a CANNED form, or populating a spreadsheet with pre-populated drop down boxes, care must be taken to FAIL to comply. Boilerplate forms and checklists typically safeguard against the 'creativity' to stray from the formula.

I suppose if I go to the surgeon and he lops off the wrong limb I should just slough that off to a lack of neatness/sloppiness? "Oh, fiddle-dee-dee...sloppy me..."

Great job, FBI. Fantastic good faith scrutiny, media - what a fine and much needed watchdog you are. Perhaps Dan Rather can pen another opinion piece on the centrality of your role in assuring proper scrutiny and accountability. Ahh, the nobility of The Fourth Estate.

Perma-bureaucrats and DNC-media is what we have. Expect the outcomes to continue on this trajectory.
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Obviously, the haters do not care. The ends justify the means, and all that.

I wonder if it dawns on them that anything they do, can be done unto them?

They may find out.
 
Zam-Zam said:
Obviously, the haters do not care. The ends justify the means, and all that.

I wonder if it dawns on them that anything they do, can be done unto them?

They may find out.
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I don't know. A complicit...nay...activist-agency media have been VERY key to this process assuring both what is covered and what is carefully, dutifully side-stepped. I don't see a cooperative, reins-taking media enabling/leading any sort of turnabout for the opposition party. As it stands, they are acting as a dampening mechanism to all things exculpatory toward one party...and amplifier for all things damning (again, to the point of being shown to be fully in the tank).

If I were a betting man (and I'm not), I'd wager that a minimal amount of juice will be squeezed out of this mess - just enough to make some noise in the Senate hearing, but with little in the way of consequences and accountability to be visited upon bad players.

If I didn't know better, I'd say it is the media and DNC who are "doing Russia's bidding" as they continue to undermine public faith in our institutions and those who cover them. They've been quite effective in fostering citizen distrust.
 
RickWA said:
I don't know. A complicit...nay...activist-agency media have been VERY key to this process assuring both what is covered and what is carefully, dutifully side-stepped. I don't see a cooperative, reins-taking media enabling/leading any sort of turnabout for the opposition party. As it stands, they are acting as a dampening mechanism to all things exculpatory toward one party...and amplifier for all things damning (again, to the point of being shown to be fully in the tank).

If I were a betting man (and I'm not), I'd wager that a minimal amount of juice will be squeezed out of this mess - just enough to make some noise in the Senate hearing, but with little in the way of consequences and accountability to be visited upon bad players.

If I didn't know better, I'd say it is the media and DNC who are "doing Russia's bidding" as they continue to undermine public faith in our institutions and those who cover them. They've been quite effective in fostering citizen distrust.
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Being an optimist, I'm of the mind that, ultimately, the American voting public may have something to say about all this.....In a little over 11 months.

Time will tell.
 
Zam-Zam said:
Being an optimist, I'm of the mind that, ultimately, the American voting public may have something to say about all this.....In a little over 11 months.

Time will tell.
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We shall see. Where the private sector is concerned, I am an optimist. Once you get into the federal bureaucracies and notions of accountability (let alone competence), much less so. But perhaps voters will toss out some of the more obvious agitators.
:)

Merry Christmas, ZZ!
 
RickWA said:
We shall see. Where the private sector is concerned, I am an optimist. Once you get into the federal bureaucracies and notions of accountability (let alone competence), much less so. But perhaps voters will toss out some of the more obvious agitators.
:)

Merry Christmas, ZZ!
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How would you like the FBI held accountable for their actions?
 
RickWA said:
We shall see. Where the private sector is concerned, I am an optimist. Once you get into the federal bureaucracies and notions of accountability (let alone competence), much less so. But perhaps voters will toss out some of the more obvious agitators.
:)

Merry Christmas, ZZ!
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Thank you.

Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.
 
ObamacareForever said:
How would you like the FBI held accountable for their actions?
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No protections afforded to bad players (outside of standard constitutional rights safeguards, of course). Simply being dismissed from one's position when he committed resources, tax dollars, and personal to commit fraud is not acceptable. Secondly, I'd like to see that those who are charged with administrating the FSA process (the adjudicators) are now tasked with greater scrutiny than merely taking the FBI's word for it that applications are aligned to factual reality. Obviously this didn't work.
 
RickWA said:
No protections afforded to bad players (outside of standard constitutional rights safeguards, of course). Simply being dismissed from one's position when he committed resources, tax dollars, and personal to commit fraud is not acceptable.
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Charging someone with fraud when there work is merely sloppy is giant waste of time. No one will be convicted of fraud for mere sloppiness.
RickWA said:
Secondly, I'd like to see that those who are charged with administrating the FSA process (the adjudicators) are now tasked with greater scrutiny than merely taking the FBI's word for it that applications are aligned to factual reality.
Obviously this didn't work.
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maybe so
 
ObamacareForever said:
Charging someone with fraud when there work is merely sloppy is giant waste of time. No one will be convicted of fraud for mere sloppiness.

maybe so
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And there it is yet again. "Sloppy". The lefty get-out-of-jail free card. I called it..

Have a nice day.
 
Zam-Zam said:
Says who? Says Comey:

Former FBI director James Comey on Sunday said he was wrong about the FBI's handling of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to investigate former Trump campaign official Carter Page.

"He's right, I was wrong," Comey said, referring to Inspector General Michael Horowitz's finding that the FBI made at least 17 "errors or omissions" in obtaining the warrant.

Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace asked Comey about his claims that he had "total confidence" in the FBI's handling of FISA warrants.

"I was overconfident in the procedures that the FBI and Justice have built over 20 years," Comey said. "I thought they were robust enough. It's incredibly hard to get a FISA. I was overconfident in those because he's right, there was real sloppiness. Seventeen things that either should have been in the application or at least discussed and characterized differently. It was not acceptable. So he's right, I was wrong."


Complete text: https://freebeacon.com/politics/comey-i-was-wrong/


Will that matter to the haters?

Not a snowball's chance in Ecuador….

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Not wrong.
Nope. Not just wrong........

Inept? Yes.
He lied? Yes.

Comey was wrong in a culpable way. It was his job not to be wrong. Yet, he was. :confused:o_O
 
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