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What are they going to do if they need to solve a problem and the power goes out? Learning computers would be one class....are you saying they couldn't learn the basics in another?
I am saying that what we regard as the basics changes over time. There was an era when using a slide rule was an important skill to learn for anybody going into serious math or science.. Now it's an affectation. Abacuses, similarly, were once an important thing to know how to use in certain cultures. Now they aren't. Times change.
 
They were basically the same (if you accept that those scores are derived from comparable data; which I do for the most part). The question now is how much was spent per student for those results. I know Wisconsin spends a lot.
Massachusetts spends a lot too. I think nearly all the high-scoring states spend a lot. You get what you pay for.
 
How so? I provided the links. NAEP test scores, IQs, and military aptitude test scores are all up. Dropout rates and illiteracy rates are down.
How do you explain anything to anyone who only knows what he reads on the internet?
 
You've got it backwards and don't even know it. Sad.....

I wonder if there's been an evolution that's gone down, without our noticing it. For most of the 20th-century, the U.S. was certainly the world leader in extending education widely among it's populace. So, might it be that the 20th-century was essentially based on or founded on, what American children were being taught?

But eventually...the world grew beyond all that, to the extent that at least some "stuff" was happening independently of what American kids were being taught? As far as I'm concerned, all things considered and per capita, our American education system is STILL one of the best in the world. Yet...we're rightfully concerned that everything isn't growing straight from what our kids are being taught.

If that's the case, it's reasonable to guess that our American education system IS the best it's ever been and at the same time, we're not "appreciating" the dominance feedback, we once did?
 
NO, absolutely not............if stats are down as you claim, why in hell is it libs post so often here of MORE gun laws, especially since kids are shooting up schools.
Serious school violence is, in fact, down. Liberals think it could be down even further, to levels like what we see in European countries that have tighter gun-control, if we took additional steps. But that doesn't change the fact that there has been a lot of improvement in the last couple decades.
 
I am saying that what we regard as the basics changes over time. There was an era when using a slide rule was an important skill to learn for anybody going into serious math or science.. Now it's an affectation. Abacuses, similarly, were once an important thing to know how to use in certain cultures. Now they aren't. Times change.
Slide rules still work when the computer/calculator breaks and you don't have access to another one.
 
I wonder if there's been an evolution that's gone down, without our noticing it. For most of the 20th-century, the U.S. was certainly the world leader in extending education widely among it's populace. So, might it be that the 20th-century was essentially based on or founded on, what American children were being taught?

But eventually...the world grew beyond all that, to the extent that at least some "stuff" was happening independently of what American kids were being taught? As far as I'm concerned, all things considered and per capita, our American education system is STILL one of the best in the world. Yet...we're rightfully concerned that everything isn't growing straight from what our kids are being taught.

If that's the case, it's reasonable to guess that our American education system IS the best it's ever been and at the same time, we're not "appreciating" the dominance feedback, we once did?
I think it used to be.
 
Serious school violence is, in fact, down. Liberals think it could be down even further, to levels like what we see in European countries that have tighter gun-control, if we took additional steps. But that doesn't change the fact that there has been a lot of improvement in the last couple decades.

If that's what liberals wish for, only advise I can offer is move to Europe.
 
If you notice Arkady ALWAYS goes by polls, stats and charts. Which depending on who did them all read differently. "The National Assessment of Educational Progress " will only tell you what "they" want you to know.
I referenced a number of different tests, all of which show the same overall trend. It isn't just the NAEP test. It's also IQ tests, and military aptitude tests. So, if the stats all tell you something you don't want to believe, isn't that your issue?
 
Serious school violence is, in fact, down. Liberals think it could be down even further, to levels like what we see in European countries that have tighter gun-control, if we took additional steps. But that doesn't change the fact that there has been a lot of improvement in the last couple decades.
And before the last couple of decades, there was almost NO school violence. (I can't speak for big cities, however).
 
I referenced a number of different tests, all of which show the same overall trend. It isn't just the NAEP test. It's also IQ tests, and military aptitude tests. So, if the stats all tell you something you don't want to believe, isn't that your issue?
NAEP, a government site, favors common core it pushes it.
 
I think it used to be.

I wonder if there's been an evolution that's gone down, without our noticing it. For most of the 20th-century, the U.S. was certainly the world leader in extending education widely among it's populace. So, might it be that the 20th-century was essentially based on or founded on, what American children were being taught?

But eventually...the world grew beyond all that, to the extent that at least some "stuff" was happening independently of what American kids were being taught? As far as I'm concerned, all things considered and per capita, our American education system is STILL one of the best in the world. Yet...we're rightfully concerned that everything isn't growing straight from what our kids are being taught.

If that's the case, it's reasonable to guess that our American education system IS the best it's ever been and at the same time, we're not "appreciating" the dominance feedback, we once did?

foreign kids are made to study instead of being online posting pictures of what they did at the mall.......it's why American kids are now behind foreign kids.......even when the test are dumbed down to wit they can enter college (especially to play sports) with grade school reading ability.
 
I wonder if there's been an evolution that's gone down, without our noticing it. For most of the 20th-century, the U.S. was certainly the world leader in extending education widely among it's populace. So, might it be that the 20th-century was essentially based on or founded on, what American children were being taught?

But eventually...the world grew beyond all that, to the extent that at least some "stuff" was happening independently of what American kids were being taught? As far as I'm concerned, all things considered and per capita, our American education system is STILL one of the best in the world. Yet...we're rightfully concerned that everything isn't growing straight from what our kids are being taught.

If that's the case, it's reasonable to guess that our American education system IS the best it's ever been and at the same time, we're not "appreciating" the dominance feedback, we once did?
I like the sports analogy. If you take any individual team in a particular sport, chances are the recent editions of that team are the most talented in its history, in raw terms. For example, the recent Chicago Cubs teams are almost certainly far bigger, faster, and stronger and better at their sport, in absolute terms, than the Chicago cubs teams of the early 20th century. If you time them all in the 100 m dash, or measured their max benchpress and squat, or any other absolute measure, I bet a whole lot of money the modern team would beat the living hell out of the early 20th-century team, and would beat them on the field, too. Yet, those early 20th century teams won championships, and the modern team doesn't. The cubs have gotten much, much better, but all of the other teams advanced even more. In the same way, education in this country has improved, but it improved more in a lot of other countries.
 
I think it used to be.

I guess my point is that things may not be quite as we perceive them. There are three "types" we tend to compare ourselves with negatively. One is someplace like Finland - a relatively small and socialistic country. There are certainly some things we can learn from the Finns, but not all would be applicable to our reality.

Another sort of place we compare ourselves is someplace like China or India. Both of these countries are graduating millions of highly educated kids. But...we tend to forget that for every well educated Indian or Chinese kid, there are at least ten receiving virtually no education whatsoever.

Or...let's consider a large, democratic, capitalist country like Germany. It may appear as if German kids are outperforming ours. But...we need to acknowledge that the Germans start funneling their kids in to "success tracks" at a relatively young age.

Some suggest that we should follow the German model. I don't know if a little of that would hurt. BUT...for Americans to submit to that sort of overarching control.....let's just say it ain't happening!
 
If that's what liberals wish for, only advise I can offer is move to Europe.
Fortunately, we've had many generations of patriots who, when they were dissatisfied with something in the United States, stuck around and fixed it, rather than moving. For example, those who didn't like slavery, could have gone to pretty much any European country, where slavery had already been outlawed. Instead, those abolitionist stayed here and made this a better country. And, generations later, people who thought women should have the right to vote, could have move to, say, New Zealand, where they already had that right, but instead he stayed here and fought for the right here. And people stayed and fought for racial integration, even though they could've move to Europe where the races were already integrated. This is a great country because liberals stick around and defeat conservatives, and get improvements, rather than leaving for places where the battles have already been won.
 
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