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Congress controls the purse, not the president

JuliefromOhio

JuliefromOhio

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The constitutional provision making Congress the ultimate authority on government spending passed with far less debate. The framers were unanimous that Congress, as the representatives of the people, should be in control of public funds—not the President or executive branch agencies.

So Trump resorts to extortion to get money Congress won't authorize. Won't work.
 
Congress controls the purse, not the president

BUT !!

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." Our congress has divided leadership.
It's one lame advantage Trump has:
- Trump has executive authority, thus one might expect ideological continuity, but
- Trump's flip-flop rate is Olympic.

Under President Trump's leadership U.S. federal government is dysfunctional, in crisis.

Our federal legislature is bicameral, and since earlier this month, with divided leadership. This would seem to impart advantage to the exec.

Bottom line, under Trump leadership, our U.S. federal government is crippled. We've got:
- stock market volatility
- pending trade war
- politically divided congress
- a manufactured crisis on our Mexico border *
- a partial government shut-down
- a slew of broken promises from our president:

"I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's gunna be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now." Candidate Trump 15/09/27 to CBS Scott Pelly


"You're going to have such great healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost." candidate Trump 16/10/25 from campaign podium

"I will build a great, great wall on our Southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall, mark my words." Republican primary presidential candidate Donald J. Trump 15/06/16 www.DonaldJTrump.com

* If it really is a crisis, why are our border-State governors not teaming with Trump on it?
 
So much for the weak purse. Bit of truth here...

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MM #3

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It's the Democrats that are defending the noble principle of $fiscal $conservatism here.

It's perfectly simple for our Democrat leadership to approach our Republican leadership and say:
- Trump wants a wall
- we want a path to citizenship for non-criminal resident aliens.

So Trump gets what he wants,
the Dems. get what they want,
and the $tax $payer gets stuck with the bill.

Chuck and Nancy have demonstrated themselves too principled for that obvious, textbook approach.
And while I used to prefer it when it was the Republicans that were the fiscal conservatives, it's comforting to know that at least SOME in our top ranking federal leadership are willing to stand for principle.
 
sear said:
MM #3

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It's the Democrats that are defending the noble principle of $fiscal $conservatism here.

It's perfectly simple for our Democrat leadership to approach our Republican leadership and say:
- Trump wants a wall
- we want a path to citizenship for non-criminal resident aliens.

So Trump gets what he wants,
the Dems. get what they want,
and the $tax $payer gets stuck with the bill.

Chuck and Nancy have demonstrated themselves too principled for that obvious, textbook approach.
And while I used to prefer it when it was the Republicans that were the fiscal conservatives, it's comforting to know that at least SOME in our top ranking federal leadership are willing to stand for principle.
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That agreement.....$25B towards a wall in exchange for citizenship for dreamers...was on the table earlier last year. At the last minute, Trump reneged.

Trump can't be trusted. That's half the reason why McConnell is lying low. Trump pulled the rug out from under him barely 4 weeks ago.
 
JuliefromOhio said:
The constitutional provision making Congress the ultimate authority on government spending passed with far less debate. The framers were unanimous that Congress, as the representatives of the people, should be in control of public funds—not the President or executive branch agencies.

So Trump resorts to extortion to get money Congress won't authorize. Won't work.
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These are the facts: Congress votes on the budget and whether things are funded so Congress shut down the government. There is a humanitarian crisis on the border created by illegal immigration caused by the belief those illegal immigrants can enter and stay in the USA. There are sanctuary cities and politicians that protect these illegal immigrants and municipalities that feed and educate them. Border security needs funded but and a wall is necessary in some places but a wall won't work in most places. The debt and deficit are out of control in what is basically peace time. In times of peace there should be a balanced budget amendment to the constitution.
 
JuliefromOhio said:
The constitutional provision making Congress the ultimate authority on government spending passed with far less debate. The framers were unanimous that Congress, as the representatives of the people, should be in control of public funds—not the President or executive branch agencies.

So Trump resorts to extortion to get money Congress won't authorize. Won't work.
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Yes, You are correct, Congress controls the purse. They don't control the President
 
JuliefromOhio said:
The constitutional provision making Congress the ultimate authority on government spending passed with far less debate. The framers were unanimous that Congress, as the representatives of the people, should be in control of public funds—not the President or executive branch agencies.

So Trump resorts to extortion to get money Congress won't authorize. Won't work.
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You forgot to inform your boney Obama of this...……….

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ohio
 
"Trump can't be trusted." JO #6
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I sure didn't vote for him.
For Trump is currently doing precisely what I expected him to do.

BUT !!

McConnell doesn't have to trust Trump.

McConnell (R-KY) can simply, calmly explain to Trump that McConnell's constituents don't trust Trump, and that therefore McConnell's going to hold off until after Trump has signed into law the conditions McConnell (& the Dems) want.

Then AFTER that McConnell can deliver on the other side of the agreement; for then it would be Trump that would have to trust McConnell.

That scheme should keep the government partially shut down for years!

& btw

The shutdown might not seem to be biting to hard right now.
But over time, the pain will get worse for most of us.
And though that might not seem to affect Trump directly, the progressively increasing political pressure on him break the camel's back.

Trump said he would be proud to shut down the government over border security. "I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not going to blame you for it." President Trump said in the oval office to minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-NY) 18/12/11 with Speaker Pelosi and VP Pence witness.
 
JuliefromOhio said:
The constitutional provision making Congress the ultimate authority on government spending passed with far less debate. The framers were unanimous that Congress, as the representatives of the people, should be in control of public funds—not the President or executive branch agencies.

So Trump resorts to extortion to get money Congress won't authorize. Won't work.
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Po Po Julie

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/98-505.pdf
 
JuliefromOhio said:
The constitutional provision making Congress the ultimate authority on government spending passed with far less debate. The framers were unanimous that Congress, as the representatives of the people, should be in control of public funds—not the President or executive branch agencies.

So Trump resorts to extortion to get money Congress won't authorize. Won't work.
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tRump has no idea how government works, so for him it will be a lesson in civics.
 
4/15 said:
tRump has no idea how government works, so for him it will be a lesson in civics.
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Trump doesn't know how govt works.
Trump has shown no interest in learning how govt works.
Trump doesn't care how govt works.

Trump doesn't even care about his job as president.
Trump cares about keeping his fan base.....that's it.
 
sear said:
I sure didn't vote for him.
For Trump is currently doing precisely what I expected him to do.

BUT !!

McConnell doesn't have to trust Trump.

McConnell (R-KY) can simply, calmly explain to Trump that McConnell's constituents don't trust Trump, and that therefore McConnell's going to hold off until after Trump has signed into law the conditions McConnell (& the Dems) want.

Then AFTER that McConnell can deliver on the other side of the agreement; for then it would be Trump that would have to trust McConnell.

That scheme should keep the government partially shut down for years!

& btw

The shutdown might not seem to be biting to hard right now.
But over time, the pain will get worse for most of us.
And though that might not seem to affect Trump directly, the progressively increasing political pressure on him break the camel's back.

Trump said he would be proud to shut down the government over border security. "I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not going to blame you for it." President Trump said in the oval office to minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-NY) 18/12/11 with Speaker Pelosi and VP Pence witness.
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Trump owns the shutdown.
No one can trust Trump. However, McConnell and Republicans better pull on Trump's chain.....or they're going to suffer even more than they already have.
There are way more Republican senators having to defend seats in the senate in 2020 election compared to Dems. Some of those repubs are already backing away from Trump.
 
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