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Crackers v Thugs: Is Hollywood responsible for today’s race war?

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Some of my favorite TV shows are on those Xfinity reruns of decades ago. Mayberry RFD. Green Acres. The Beverly Hillbillies. (Full disclosure – the whistling “Mayberry” theme song is the ring tone on my phone.)

Growing up in rural Pennsylvania as I did, it was easy to identify with folksy characters who may not have college degrees but still managed to figure out the difference between right and wrong.

I used to include “All in the family” on my list. But its humor seems really dated now, and often pointedly un-funny. Bigotry was played for laughs, and every white character over the age of 30 was either presented as a moron or a racist.

Fresh Prince of Bel Aire was never a big draw for me either, although it shared some DNA with both Beverly Hillbillies and All in the Family. I totally get the idea behind “Fresh Prince”. Philadelphia is a violent place which you should flee at all costs, and everyone deserves wealthy California relatives in a posh neighborhood that come to your rescue, where – despite their money – they still encounter subtle (but non lethal) racism at the hands of their neighbors and public servants.

Racial injustice is inherently hard to play for laughs. As is religious intolerance. Which is probably why there are no top shelf Islamic or Fundamentalist Christian comedians. Speaking of religious intolerance, does China have any comedy shows? I withdraw the question. But I wonder what our TV and movie studios will churn out after the Peoples Republic of Jailed Nobel Peace Prize winners buys them all? They have already acquired the studio Legendary Entertainment for $4 billion; the AMC theater chain; Disney is partnering with China to produce films. However, the Chinese have banned a mind boggling list of US films:
  • Ghostbusters the all girl reboot (2016) “Promotes superstion” (no, sorry China - it promotes pointless remakes and bad scripts)
  • Avatar (“Undercurrent of rebellion and revolution”)
  • Ben Hur; The Departed; Batman; Pirates of the Caribbean, and dozens more.
Presumably Chinese film fans’ impressions of America are being molded by fare, such as Transformers; Animal House; and Caddyshack . . . the Beverly Hillbillies, Fresh Prince, and All in the Family?

Beverly Hillbillies was (allegedly) responsible launching a tidal wave of banjo/bluegrass music in Japan. And Will Smith led to the rise of the non-threatening androgynous male Japanese rapper. However, what sort of American cultural fare may have led to the rise of Sailor Moon, Sailor Neptune and Sailor Uranus (the short haired, masculine sounding “tomboy” cohort)? But I don’t regard Sailor Moon as a touchstone of Japanese culture. Instead, I consider films like “Seven Samurai” to be a more acute insight into the way the Japanese mind works. (not really – but see how TV and films can create false memes?)

The latest American shooting – six police gone in 60 seconds in Baton Rouge yesterday – was the work of a New Black Panther who apparently was concerned that “more crackers believe in ghosts than in racism”. (his actual facebook post).

So he shot a bunch of white and black cops indiscriminately, presumably to protest the awful Ghostbusters movie released Friday, and the fact that a black Baton Rouge perp was shot by police after threatening pedestrians with a hand gun; a high speed vehicle pursuit; a foot chase, and then producing his gun when the tazer didn’t take him out. THIS police take down is the reason to start ranting about crackers, ghosts, and fomenting a race war?

Of course its not. Gavin Long the Baton Rouge police executioner was a known mental case who legally changed his name to “Cosmo Seterprena” and dispensed online advice regarding nutrition, religion, and politics. Cosmo/Gavin variously claimed affiliation with Nation of Islam, ISIS, A Floyd Mayweather pyramid franchise scheme, and the “Washitaw” of imaginary Africans who came to America centuries before Columbus but have since all mysteriously vanished. Oh, and Cosmo/Gavin was a also a former marine sergeant with a good conduct metal who was a military data management specialist and never saw combat. Go figure.

To recap my gun stance: I think we need to obey the 2nd amendment unless or until it is lawfully modified by a constitutional process. That said, I’m more of a fan of concealed carry, than “open carry”, and I endorse the police who want “open carry” banned from the vicinity of both political conventions. Whether you think Jethro Clampett or some Gavin Long is likely to take the next shot, that ban seems prudent.

Reader Quiz - When Allstate pays millions for the right to become "Official auto insurance company of Ghostbusters", and puts cast member Leslie Jones (image below) in its TV commercials, is this automatic proof that a film is crap? Has anyone who isn't shilling for one side or the other in the gender/culture wars actually seen the movie? If so, what did you think? And is Chris Rock going to thank us at the next Oscars because this is exactly what he had in mind when he called for more diversity and positive black roles in Hollywood films?

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I was thinking about this very issue last night, though from a different perspective. Disclaimer: I haven't seen most of the movies you talked about. I've seen Avatar so get the rebellion thing for sure. I thought Fresh Prince of Bel Air was funny- like 20 years ago. I'm not sure it's dated humor like All in the Family or my taste has just changed.

But anyway, here's the different perspective. All I have for TV is an antenna and Netflix. Last night I watched Get Rich or Die Tryin' with 50 Cent. I got to thinking: why do blacks continue to act in movies that portray black men as thugs? Blacks clearly already have an image problem based on the reality of crime statistics. It seems to me the people that choose to make and act in these movies are reinforcing stereotypes.

Why don't these people get more (I've never heard any, frankly) criticism for stereotyping? But then again, look at rap culture- the whole gangsta rap thing, N*****r this, N*****r that, [Unwelcome language removed] that 'ho.

I'd say the black community needs to think of doing a little PR.
 
I was thinking about this very issue last night, though from a different perspective. Disclaimer: I haven't seen most of the movies you talked about. I've seen Avatar so get the rebellion thing for sure. I thought Fresh Prince of Bel Air was funny- like 20 years ago. I'm not sure it's dated humor like All in the Family or my taste has just changed.

But anyway, here's the different perspective. All I have for TV is an antenna and Netflix. Last night I watched Get Rich or Die Tryin' with 50 Cent. I got to thinking: why do blacks continue to act in movies that portray black men as thugs? Blacks clearly already have an image problem based on the reality of crime statistics. It seems to me the people that choose to make and act in these movies are reinforcing stereotypes.

Why don't these people get more (I've never heard any, frankly) criticism for stereotyping? But then again, look at rap culture- the whole gangsta rap thing, N*****r this, N*****r that, [Unwelcome language removed] that 'ho.

I'd say the black community needs to think of doing a little PR.

people seek violent movie roles or produce violent rap lyrics because that's what sells.

there's barely a market (among whites) anymore for non violent, romantic films with plots.

and there is zero market in the black community. the last one of those I saw was "something new", which was panned by some critics because it featured an interracial romance that DIDNT fail.

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has me thinking of the liberal Hollyweird Anti-Gunners always in movies with many Guns, big Bad Guns........hypocrisy maybe
 
Big Fan of the Seven Samurai Tom Cruise made it all believable....ok ok Akira Kurosawa never used Tom Cruise....thank GOD...How ever the Magnificient Seven the western, does an excellent remake of this epic movie in my opinion however not on the same level as the original Kurosawa movie...seems like time to watch this again.
 
Big Fan of the Seven Samurai Tom Cruise made it all believable....ok ok Akira Kurosawa never used Tom Cruise....thank GOD...How ever the Magnificient Seven the western, does an excellent remake of this epic movie in my opinion however not on the same level as the original Kurosawa movie...seems like time to watch this again.
people are going to have me for this, but i'll say it anyway. I feel subtitles make it difficult to focus on the cinematography of great films.
 
has me thinking of the liberal Hollyweird Anti-Gunners always in movies with many Guns, big Bad Guns........hypocrisy maybe

at least most Hollywood film with drug use don't pretend to be anti-drug. they're mostly celebrating the drug culture. that's honesty!
 
i think the black racists are responsible...
the odd thing is that viewpoint (black racial purity) was a major theme of the film itself, and debunked.

black women get upset when black men marry whites or Asians. black women believe there aren't enough "good" black men out there in the first place (sober, employed, educated, not currently behind bars, not a gang member). so the women in "something new" felt a moral obligation to locate and marry suitable black men, rather than even consider an interracial marriage. their aim was to save black men from something, by marrying them.

that's not how marriage works, from either the womens or mens role, of course.

if your aim is to "save", "fix", or "reform" a flawed person, you're probably doomed to disappointment when you can't do that. when you marry, you have take viewpoint that you can love and live with that person as he is, rather than turn him into something he's not.
 
the odd thing is that viewpoint (black racial purity) was a major theme of the film itself, and debunked.

black women get upset when black men marry whites or Asians. black women believe there aren't enough "good" black men out there in the first place (sober, employed, educated, not currently behind bars, not a gang member). so the women in "something new" felt a moral obligation to locate and marry suitable black men, rather than even consider an interracial marriage. their aim was to save black men from something, by marrying them.

that's not how marriage works, from either the womens or mens role, of course.

if your aim is to "save", "fix", or "reform" a flawed person, you're probably doomed to disappointment when you can't do that. when you marry, you have take viewpoint that you can love and live with that person as he is, rather than turn him into something he's not.



theres a saying,,,,"women marry men thinking they can change them, and men marry women thinking the woman will not change"....

once you get beyond that, its alot easier...
 
people are going to have me for this, but i'll say it anyway. I feel subtitles make it difficult to focus on the cinematography of great films.

I agree. I went to film school and thus watched a lot of subtitled movies. Typically, we watched them twice, once reading the subtitles for content, dialog, and plot; then again without subtitles for mise en scene, editing, sound, etc. Fun times...
 
I agree. I went to film school and thus watched a lot of subtitled movies. Typically, we watched them twice, once reading the subtitles for content, dialog, and plot; then again without subtitles for mise en scene, editing, sound, etc. Fun times...
do you know if the Chinese government also banned the "harry potter" film franchise, for "promoting superstion) . . . the excuse they used for ghostbusters?

if harry potter wasn't banned, then I'd have to conclude that politics/national origin has more to with film censorship than "superstition", eh?
 
I was thinking about this very issue last night, though from a different perspective. Disclaimer: I haven't seen most of the movies you talked about. I've seen Avatar so get the rebellion thing for sure. I thought Fresh Prince of Bel Air was funny- like 20 years ago. I'm not sure it's dated humor like All in the Family or my taste has just changed.

But anyway, here's the different perspective. All I have for TV is an antenna and Netflix. Last night I watched Get Rich or Die Tryin' with 50 Cent. I got to thinking: why do blacks continue to act in movies that portray black men as thugs? Blacks clearly already have an image problem based on the reality of crime statistics. It seems to me the people that choose to make and act in these movies are reinforcing stereotypes.

Why don't these people get more (I've never heard any, frankly) criticism for stereotyping? But then again, look at rap culture- the whole gangsta rap thing, N*****r this, N*****r that, [Unwelcome language removed] that 'ho.

I'd say the black community needs to think of doing a little PR.
"Get rich or die tryin" isn't exactly a think piece. There are plenty of movies about white gangsters that feature plenty gratituous violence and language that should no be used in mixed company. Movies and stories of all kinds need some kind of conflict. Gangs provide plenty of good conflicts to write a story about.
 
"Get rich or die tryin" isn't exactly a think piece. There are plenty of movies about white gangsters that feature plenty gratituous violence and language that should no be used in mixed company. Movies and stories of all kinds need some kind of conflict. Gangs provide plenty of good conflicts to write a story about.

Who said Get Rich Or Die Tryin' is a "think" piece? What a bizarre comment.

As for white gangster films, do whites commit several times more violent crime per capita or is it the other way around? Which skin color has a big image problem based on facts, reality and crime statistics?
 
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