Debt Ceiling......I'm wrong - again...

[fairsheet]

I've been posting that I'd like to see President Obama unilaterally raise the debt ceiling if necessary. Apparently though, that's off the table. Jack Lew says the Obaman legal-fleagal have determined that the exeuctive is not empowered to do so.

If he'd said they aren't considering doing it, or even if he said the weren't going to do it, I would've assumed that the possibility remained. But if he says they can't do it, they can't walk that one back imho.

 

[worldlymrb]

They wont do what you posted above because Obama would profit MORE from a total govt shut down even though technically $1.5T in tax revenue would still be flowing into the U.S Treasury (minus federal workers/dependents tax revenue).

Obama owns a collective of over half the nation, DEPENDENT on a federal govt that can't pay its bills w/o a credit card, for their very existence.

If the EBT cards don't get loaded, the SSI checks on hold, and the Obama Phones get cut off, this collective will be organized into a militant yes/we/can mob, and will be terrorizing the middle-class and property owners until they BEG OBAMA for economic martial law.

Obama will then declare the default a national security crisis and will implement the COG (Continuity of Government Directive).

This would then be the end game and the Fundamental Transformation of the United States would be complete.

 

[Cerulean Mutt]

Think of this as a warning to Boehner. The President's saying there aren't any emergency parachutes to save the country if Boehner decides to crash the plane.

 

[fairsheet]

They wont do what you posted above because Obama would profit MORE from a total govt shut down even though technically $1.5T in tax revenue would still be flowing into the U.S Treasury (minus federal workers/dependents tax revenue).

Obama owns a collective of over half the nation, DEPENDENT on a federal govt that can't pay its bills w/o a credit card, for their very existence.

If the EBT cards don't get loaded, the SSI checks on hold, and the Obama Phones get cut off, this collective will be organized into a militant yes/we/can mob, and will be terrorizing the middle-class and property owners until they BEG OBAMA for economic martial law.

Obama will then declare the default a national security crisis and will implement the COG (Continuity of Government Directive).

This would then be the end game and the Fundamental Transformation of the United States would be complete.

Wow. Well..we shall see!

 

[fairsheet]

Think of this as a warning to Boehner. The President's saying there aren't any emergency parachutes to save the country if Boehner decides to crash the plane.

The Congressdope that whined about being dissed and insisted that the GOP had to get something out of this - even as he had no idea what...said it all.

This GOP doesn't look to have any sort of strategy or endgame, whatsoever. All the appear to have left at this point, is whining that they and there important issues got steamrolled by the evil Obama. But...what the hell ARE their important issues?....at least per the perception of anyone who matters?

Everything the GOP does these days, looks to be directed at preserving their right fringe. When a political party has to obsess over its fringe, it's in deep shit.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

I've been posting that I'd like to see President Obama unilaterally raise the debt ceiling if necessary. Apparently though, that's off the table. Jack Lew says the Obaman legal-fleagal have determined that the exeuctive is not empowered to do so.

If he'd said they aren't considering doing it, or even if he said the weren't going to do it, I would've assumed that the possibility remained. But if he says they can't do it, they can't walk that one back imho.

at the end of the day, Pres Obama will seriously weigh what's worse.....an economic crisis or a constitutional crisis. I think we can trust where he'll come down.

 

[Figjam]

I've been posting that I'd like to see President Obama unilaterally raise the debt ceiling if necessary. Apparently though, that's off the table. Jack Lew says the Obaman legal-fleagal have determined that the exeuctive is not empowered to do so.

If he'd said they aren't considering doing it, or even if he said the weren't going to do it, I would've assumed that the possibility remained. But if he says they can't do it, they can't walk that one back imho.

...why should he do it? The debt limit is only to cover monies already approved for spending by Congress - they simply need to do their job - which apparently they are incapable of handling without any leadership in the House...

 

[SW48]

It looks like the president will have to some governing to fix this.

 

[Dawg]

...why should he do it? The debt limit is only to cover monies already approved for spending by Congress - they simply need to do their job - which apparently they are incapable of handling without any leadership in the House...

certainly NO leadership in the White House.........fig.........'O' is being paid way above his pay grade√

 

[Figjam]

certainly NO leadership in the White House.........fig.........'O' is being paid way above his pay grade√

...he is leading dawg - all o'boehner needs to do is have a vote and prove Obama wrong - if he can that is - which of course we all know he cannot...silly o'boehner - it may be a triple martini lunch today...

 

[Bo-4]

I've been posting that I'd like to see President Obama unilaterally raise the debt ceiling if necessary. Apparently though, that's off the table. Jack Lew says the Obaman legal-fleagal have determined that the exeuctive is not empowered to do so.

If he'd said they aren't considering doing it, or even if he said the weren't going to do it, I would've assumed that the possibility remained. But if he says they can't do it, they can't walk that one back imho.

One way or the other, we've got to end hostage-taking over Congress' payment of bills that THEY racked up. My hunch is that after they crash the economy, they won't fare well in '14 so we may have the opportunity to get that done.

 

[fairsheet]

It looks like the president will have to some governing to fix this.

What sort of "governing" would you have him do?

 

[SW48]

What sort of "governing" would you have him do?

How about leading the country and sitting down with the leaders in Congress and working out a deal to reduce debt, and trim spending, so they can pay for new programs like the Affordable Care Act (or delay it).

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

How about leading the country and sitting down with the leaders in Congress and working out a deal to reduce debt, and trim spending, so they can pay for new programs like the Affordable Care Act (or delay it).

Obama is happy to discuss anything with the Pugs.

AFTER they take their gun away from the nation's head. There can be no negotiations with extortionists.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

How about leading the country and sitting down with the leaders in Congress and working out a deal to reduce debt, and trim spending, so they can pay for new programs like the Affordable Care Act (or delay it).

the Affordable Care Act is fully funded.

 

[SW48]

Obama is happy to discuss anything with the Pugs.

AFTER they take their gun away from the nation's head. There can be no negotiations with extortionists.

Obviously this is a talking point used by one side to make the other look bad. If a leader doesn't govern by including all parties in his decisions then one party is going to naturally do what they can to be heard. And although they are currently being heard, there is still no governing.

 

[SW48]

the Affordable Care Act is fully funded.

Then I guess I don't understand the issue.

And if they don't cut spending from somewhere to pay for the Affordable Care Act then how is the debt ever going to stop growing?

I think the Republicans are using this to show the real problem, which is increasing national debt.

Now if the Republicans were in power in the white house then I am sure it would be the Democrats saying the debt was out of control.

Pretty silly when you thing about it.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Obviously this is a talking point used by one side to make the other look bad. If a leader doesn't govern by including all parties in his decisions then one party is going to naturally do what they can to be heard. And although they are currently being heard, there is still no governing.

It's not a talking point - it's a fact. It's what Obama has said.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

Then I guess I don't understand the issue.

And if they don't cut spending from somewhere to pay for the Affordable Care Act then how is the debt ever going to stop growing?

I think the Republicans are using this to show the real problem, which is increasing national debt.

Now if the Republicans were in power in the white house then I am sure it would be the Democrats saying the debt was out of control.

Pretty silly when you thing about it.

unfortunately, you're right. you don't understand the issue.

 

[fairsheet]

unfortunately, you're right. you don't understand the issue.

What this country needs....real bad, is fewer SW48s farting their righteousness, even as they don't understand an issue.