Define Climate Change

[reason10]

I have an open mind here. (More than most.)
The alt left has peppered us for the last five years with wagging fingers in our face about "climate change," but they've never defined it. 25 years ago all the coastal regions of Florida were supposed to be flooded due to man made global warming. I work the coastal areas and NOT ONE EFFING INCH of our coastline is any smaller than 25 years ago. We would know if it was.
So WHAT IS climate change?

Is it a matter of snow falling in June in Mexico? Is it about an ice age on the earth? Is it the warming that was predicted and NEVER CAME? Or is it something else?

Amateur scientists here who are also alt-leftists, this is your chance to educate the rest of us. DEFINE CLIMATE CHANGE, in your own words. Don't waste our time with a bunch of links from I HATE AMERICA Environmental sites. Let this be from YOUR knowledge, assuming you have any.

We'll wait.

 

[EatTheRich]

I have an open mind here. (More than most.)
The alt left has peppered us for the last five years with wagging fingers in our face about "climate change," but they've never defined it. 25 years ago all the coastal regions of Florida were supposed to be flooded due to man made global warming. I work the coastal areas and NOT ONE EFFING INCH of our coastline is any smaller than 25 years ago. We would know if it was.
So WHAT IS climate change?

Is it a matter of snow falling in June in Mexico? Is it about an ice age on the earth? Is it the warming that was predicted and NEVER CAME? Or is it something else?

Amateur scientists here who are also alt-leftists, this is your chance to educate the rest of us. DEFINE CLIMATE CHANGE, in your own words. Don't waste our time with a bunch of links from I HATE AMERICA Environmental sites. Let this be from YOUR knowledge, assuming you have any.

We'll wait.

The climate is always changing, but what concerns people today is the much more dramatic change and day-to-day volatility as a result of increased GHG concentrations and the warming that measurably occurred, as predicted in fine detail along with many of the secondary effects, and will (if reality continues to hew very close to climate model predictions) continue to occur.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Climate change = anything weather- or climate-related that communists and other anti-capitalists can use to destroy capitalism.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Precisely! Climate change has been with us since, well, before us. How was man responsible for the Ice Age or the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum? So climate changes, and leftists seize it as a cudgel to beat capitalism to death with. Nothing to see here, move along...

 

[reason10]

The climate is always changing, but what concerns people today is the much more dramatic change and day-to-day volatility as a result of increased GHG concentrations and the warming that measurably occurred, as predicted in fine detail along with many of the secondary effects, and will (if reality continues to hew very close to climate model predictions) continue to occur.

In other words, you have no idea whatsoever. The warming bullshit has been proven WRONG.

And you wonder why everybody thinks liberals (particularly enviro-Nazis) are so full of shit.

 

[Arkady]

I have an open mind here. (More than most.)
The alt left has peppered us for the last five years with wagging fingers in our face about "climate change," but they've never defined it. 25 years ago all the coastal regions of Florida were supposed to be flooded due to man made global warming. I work the coastal areas and NOT ONE EFFING INCH of our coastline is any smaller than 25 years ago. We would know if it was.
So WHAT IS climate change?

Is it a matter of snow falling in June in Mexico? Is it about an ice age on the earth? Is it the warming that was predicted and NEVER CAME? Or is it something else?

Amateur scientists here who are also alt-leftists, this is your chance to educate the rest of us. DEFINE CLIMATE CHANGE, in your own words. Don't waste our time with a bunch of links from I HATE AMERICA Environmental sites. Let this be from YOUR knowledge, assuming you have any.

We'll wait.

EatTheRich does a good jobswith this in his reply. What people are generally referring to when they talk about "Climate Change" isn't the very slow pace of climate change that has taken place over the course of millions of years, in the past. Rather, it is the very rapid climate change we've been seeing in recent decades, as a result of global warming associated with anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions. Already that is heating the climate ten or twenty times faster than any prior warming we see in hundreds of thousands of years of climate reconstructions, and the leading experts expect the warming to continue to accelerate.

The experts have been correctly predicting this warming for decades. A fairly broad consensus started forming around it by the 1960s, and by the early 1980s, it was by far the predominant view. Since then, those predictions have proven extremely accurate. Average global temperatures have continued to rise, just as the experts predicted, and the rate of warming has been accelerating, just as they predicted. Each of the last several decades has been warmer than the last.

It is, of course, possible that the experts just "got lucky" -- that the warming showed up as they predicted for reasons that had nothing to do with why they predicted it. But, at this point, the realistic assumption for non-experts to make is that the experts know what they're talking about.

 

[Arkady]

In other words, you have no idea whatsoever. The warming bullshit has been proven WRONG.

What, specifically, makes you think that? In the 1980s, the consensus view among the experts was that the 1990s would be warmer. They were. In the 1990s, the consensus view among the experts was that the 2000s would be warmer. They were. In the 2000s, the consensus view was that the 2010s would be warmer. They have been. In addition, each decade's warming has occurred faster than the prior, just as the consensus view predicted. This is not something that the denialists predicted. They can scramble now, after the fact, and try to invent various non-human explanations for the rapid warming and acceleration thereof that they didn't actually see coming. But given that the climate change experts went out and made bold predictions and got it right, haven't they built some credibility?

You opened and claimed you had an open mind. But surely not even you believe that. Your mind is shut to the facts. You started with the (incorrect) assumption that the warming theories were "bullshit" and that they'd been "proven WRONG." Yet, in reality, the warming theories led to a whole series of predictions that have proven highly accurate.... predictions that no competing theory was making at the time.

 

[Arkady]

Precisely! Climate change has been with us since, well, before us. How was man responsible for the Ice Age or the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum? So climate changes, and leftists seize it as a cudgel to beat capitalism to death with. Nothing to see here, move along...

Nobody has ever claimed that mankind is responsible for all climate change, so you're hacking away at a straw man of your own creation. The mainstream climate scientists, and those amateurs like me who assume they have some clue what they're talking about, accept that climate change has always happened and will always happen. It's a question of pace. Right now warming is happening at a pace unlike anything we've ever seen in the climate record, and it gives every appearance of accelerating. The theories that correctly predicted this warming over the last few decades, and the acceleration of it, say that the warming will continue and continue to accelerate, due to the high level of AGHGs. That's the truth no matter how very inconvenient you find it for your political and economic ideas. Capitalism can adapt to the facts and become part of the solution (e.g., with cap-and-trade, which puts the genius of the market to work on the problem). But the longer the denialist zealots hold out against change, the more dramatic and painful the eventual adjustment period will be.

 

[as seen on tv]

there is no such thing as an UNchanging climate. Earth has swung between steamy tropical dinosaur paradise, "snowball earth" where every inch of the surface was solid ice; to rapid cycling of glaciations and recession.

that's the mode we're in right now. for most of earth's history there were NO ICE CAPS. the ice caps that peaked 10,000 years ago have been melting since, and will continue to melt until some event interrupts that.

climate change activists are actually anti-capitalist activists. they're using the 10,000 year warming trend as a rationale to suspend democracy, and impose various economic and energy programs which suit their own tastes.

I prefer to stick with democracy. We may still be inundated by rising sea levels, but at least we won't be misled into believing the SUV next door caused it.

 

[marvin martian]

I have an open mind here. (More than most.)
The alt left has peppered us for the last five years with wagging fingers in our face about "climate change," but they've never defined it. 25 years ago all the coastal regions of Florida were supposed to be flooded due to man made global warming. I work the coastal areas and NOT ONE EFFING INCH of our coastline is any smaller than 25 years ago. We would know if it was.
So WHAT IS climate change?

Is it a matter of snow falling in June in Mexico? Is it about an ice age on the earth? Is it the warming that was predicted and NEVER CAME? Or is it something else?

Amateur scientists here who are also alt-leftists, this is your chance to educate the rest of us. DEFINE CLIMATE CHANGE, in your own words. Don't waste our time with a bunch of links from I HATE AMERICA Environmental sites. Let this be from YOUR knowledge, assuming you have any.

We'll wait.

The clear pattern I've identified (and can be seen in posts like @Arkady's) is that weather events which support the global warming hoaxers agenda is evidence of "climate", while weather that does not support their agenda is just weather. This observation is virtually 100% accurate, and I encourage you to monitor the responses you'll see to various weather events for proof.

 

[Arkady]

The clear pattern I've identified (and can be seen in posts like @Arkady's) is that weather events which support the global warming hoaxers agenda is evidence of "climate", while weather that does not support their agenda is just weather. This observation is virtually 100% accurate, and I encourage you to monitor the responses you'll see to various weather events for proof.

You've called me out specifically, so please site an example of me specifically pointing to a weather event that supports my agenda.

 

[SouthernBoyI]

When I was in hi school the next iceage was just around the corner... except when that didn't happen the same pinheads are squeaking it's gunna get hot as a musher fuller and melt us all... now that that hasn't happened... it's hot damn I'm cold no I'm hot my ass is on fire and my balls are freezing....

SB

 

[Dawg]

A foot of snow in Kansas on April 30th, 2017

 

[Sickofleft]

I have an open mind here. (More than most.)
The alt left has peppered us for the last five years with wagging fingers in our face about "climate change," but they've never defined it. 25 years ago all the coastal regions of Florida were supposed to be flooded due to man made global warming. I work the coastal areas and NOT ONE EFFING INCH of our coastline is any smaller than 25 years ago. We would know if it was.
So WHAT IS climate change?

Is it a matter of snow falling in June in Mexico? Is it about an ice age on the earth? Is it the warming that was predicted and NEVER CAME? Or is it something else?

Amateur scientists here who are also alt-leftists, this is your chance to educate the rest of us. DEFINE CLIMATE CHANGE, in your own words. Don't waste our time with a bunch of links from I HATE AMERICA Environmental sites. Let this be from YOUR knowledge, assuming you have any.

We'll wait.

Nothing but a money making racket for a select few and an excuse for unprecedented Government intervention.

 

[Zam-Zam]

I have an open mind here. (More than most.)

I applaud you for your open-minded stance. Consider:


When someone is honestly 55 percent right, that’s very good and there’s no use wrangling. And if someone is 60 percent right, it’s wonderful, it’s great luck, and let him thank God.

But what’s to be said about 75 percent right? Wise people say this is suspicious. Well, and what about 100 percent right? Whoever says he’s 100 percent right is a fanatic, a thug, and the worst kind of rascal.

— An old Jew of Galicia


I excerpted that from a column appearing in the NY Times op-ed section on the topic of climate change:

Climate of Complete Certainty

.......Let me put it another way. Claiming total certainty about the science traduces the spirit of science and creates openings for doubt whenever a climate claim proves wrong. Demanding abrupt and expensive changes in public policy raises fair questions about ideological intentions. Censoriously asserting one’s moral superiority and treating skeptics as imbeciles and deplorables wins few converts........

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/opinion/climate-of-complete-certainty.html?_r=1

It's a worthwhile read for anyone with an open mind on that particular subject. For those whose mind is made up and are 100% certain, it will be a waste of time and effort.

 

[reason10]

Nobody has ever claimed that mankind is responsible for all climate change, so you're hacking away at a straw man of your own creation.

Actually, that [Unwelcome language removed] retard Bill Nye (the Junk Science Guy) did exactly that on a Tucker Carlson broadcast.

The mainstream climate scientists, and those amateurs like me who assume they have some clue what they're talking about, accept that climate change has always happened and will always happen. It's a question of pace.

Problem is, so far NO ONE on this thread has even DEFINED climate change. All I'm getting from the Alt lefties is warming. And that has been debunked.

Right now warming is happening at a pace unlike anything we've ever seen in the climate record, and it gives every appearance of accelerating.

Actually, that's not even a smart lie. The junk scientists who all get their checks from George Soros say one thing, but I live in a coastal area. They predicted 20 years ago that all of this would be underwater by now. The water line hasn't moved a goddam INCH, and we'd know it if it had.

These junk scientists are ALL relying on the same flawed computer models with ZERO field research.

The theories that correctly predicted this warming over the last few decades, and the acceleration of it, say that the warming will continue and continue to accelerate, due to the high level of AGHGs.

So far, we've been in a cooling trend. The warming that ALGORE predicted just never happened. The sheet of ice in Antarctica has been GROWING for the past 20 years.

That's the truth no matter how very inconvenient you find it for your political and economic ideas.

No it's not. It isn't based on any real science or real field research. Right now I'm more qualified a field researcher than any of those paid hacks who are staring at computer screens because I SEE THE WATER LINE EVERY OTHER DAY. Miami is NOT underwater like they predicted. My section of the state has not changed. And again, polar ice is growing, not melting.

Capitalism can adapt to the facts and become part of the solution (e.g., with cap-and-trade, which puts the genius of the market to work on the problem).

Screwing the world economy based on the OPINIONS of a bunch of hacks is no solution.

But the longer the denialist zealots hold out against change, the more dramatic and painful the eventual adjustment period will be.

Ah, yes. Demonize those who disagree. Adolf Eichmann felt the same way, and he invested in Zyklon B stock.

What you alt liberals do not want to accept is the fact that human beings have NO effect whatsoever on climate today or climate to come. We can't even warm a small fcking town in the dead of winter and somehow you liberals look at computer models and assume we're warming a goddam planet?

The earth has warmed and cooled long before humans were here. Human activity has ZERO effect on the temperature of the planet. And again, the vast majority of the surface of the Earth is WATER. The hacks aren't out on boats measuring surface temperatures of the vast majority of the surface of the earth. They don't know, but they're quick to tell skeptics to shut the fucck up and pay them.

 

[Dawg]

Climate change

85* Sunday
55* Tuesday

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Nobody has ever claimed that mankind is responsible for all climate change, so you're hacking away at a straw man of your own creation. The mainstream climate scientists, and those amateurs like me who assume they have some clue what they're talking about, accept that climate change has always happened and will always happen. It's a question of pace. Right now warming is happening at a pace unlike anything we've ever seen in the climate record, and it gives every appearance of accelerating. The theories that correctly predicted this warming over the last few decades, and the acceleration of it, say that the warming will continue and continue to accelerate, due to the high level of AGHGs. That's the truth no matter how very inconvenient you find it for your political and economic ideas. Capitalism can adapt to the facts and become part of the solution (e.g., with cap-and-trade, which puts the genius of the market to work on the problem). But the longer the denialist zealots hold out against change, the more dramatic and painful the eventual adjustment period will be.

Actually, no, it doesn't "appear to be accelerating." In fact, the BS explaning away of the "pause" in rising temps (the ocean did it) has been debunked:

http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/01...warming-temperature-pause-still-going-strong/

So in fact, we're still in a period where temperatures haven't been rising at all. And so all we're left with is the left's (typical) fact free narrative that we need to destroy capitalism in order to save the planet.

 

[Days]

The climate is always changing, but what concerns people today is the much more dramatic change and day-to-day volatility as a result of increased GHG concentrations and the warming that measurably occurred, as predicted in fine detail along with many of the secondary effects, and will (if reality continues to hew very close to climate model predictions) continue to occur.

IOW, the weather seems more volatile than it was before... or so it seems.

 

[4/15]

The temperature of the atmosphere and the earth and the water are getting warmer every day. Now if you have any comprehension of science you know about ocean currents and atmospheric streams. If you can understand this then there is no need to go further into details that lay men do not grasp.