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Democrat Congressperson Says Biden's In

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For whatever you think it's worth:

VP Joe Biden will run for President, U.S. Representative Brendan Boyle says in Twitter post, citing a person close to Joe Biden (http://bit.ly/1PtKAiV).

  • Twitter post: “I have a very good source close to Joe that tells me VP Biden will run for Prez”
  • NOTE: Boyle, a Democrat, represents a Philadelphia-area district of Pa.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/t...to-run-for-president-rep-brendan-boyle-tweets


Hillary's coronation might be on hold.........


We'll see. Most major polls have included him, anyway, and Clinton has still had a gigantic lead, despite that. The latest I've seen, the ABC/Post poll, has Clinton at 54, which is well over twice as much as the next-closest candidate, Sanders, at 23. Biden's at 16 and everyone else has statistically insignificant support.

I welcome Biden, since I think he brings some interesting perspectives to the race, and it's early enough that I think there's value in that. But, at this point, it's hard to see him closing that gigantic gap. He's a decent campaigner, but not an electrifying one, and unlike Sanders (or Obama in 2008), he doesn't have the kind of enthusiasm in the base that could grab him enough early contests to build as he goes along.
 
We'll see. Most major polls have included him, anyway, and Clinton has still had a gigantic lead, despite that. The latest I've seen, the ABC/Post poll, has Clinton at 54, which is well over twice as much as the next-closest candidate, Sanders, at 23. Biden's at 16 and everyone else has statistically insignificant support.

I welcome Biden, since I think he brings some interesting perspectives to the race, and it's early enough that I think there's value in that. But, at this point, it's hard to see him closing that gigantic gap. He's a decent campaigner, but not an electrifying one, and unlike Sanders (or Obama in 2008), he doesn't have the kind of enthusiasm in the base that could grab him enough early contests to build as he goes along.

Maybe Democrats will be more enthusiastic about a Biden candidacy when they realize that he is beating both Donald Trump and Dr. Ben Carson in hypothetical matchups, by a large amount; whereas Hillary Clinton is currently LOSING to Carson in a hypothetical matchup, and close to being in a dead heat with Mr. Trump.

If Democrats want to maintain their control of the White House after 2016, they had better take a closer look at Joe. I'm ridin' with Biden, because I grow increasingly concerned that Hillary could lose a close election to one of the Republicans. She has very high negative ratings in various polls; Joe does not.
 
Maybe Democrats will be more enthusiastic about a Biden candidacy when they realize that he is beating both Donald Trump and Dr. Ben Carson in hypothetical matchups, by a large amount; whereas Hillary Clinton is currently LOSING to Carson in a hypothetical matchup, and close to being in a dead heat with Mr. Trump.

If Democrats want to maintain their control of the White House after 2016, they had better take a closer look at Joe. I'm ridin' with Biden, because I grow increasingly concerned that Hillary could lose a close election to one of the Republicans. She has very high negative ratings in various polls; Joe does not.
I think Biden is doing well in hypothetical match-ups for the simple reason that he hasn't been the target of a relentless smear campaign. I think if Biden had spent years as the likely nominee, while Clinton sat on the sidelines, she'd be doing better in hypothetical match-ups. And I think if Biden ever becomes the likely nominee, and is the new target for the smear campaigning, their roles and poll performance will reverse. So, for me, that's a non-consideration.
 
And I think if Biden ever becomes the likely nominee, and is the new target for the smear campaigning, their roles and poll performance will reverse.

I don't think so. For one thing, Joe Biden has no email controversy to dog him, nor was he involved in any major way with the Benghazi event. Now, you and I both know that those are both pseudo-scandals, but the American electorate does NOT!

I also think Hillary Clinton has a severe charisma deficit (in sharp contrast to her husband). Joe may not be overflowing with charisma---he is not like either Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, both considered very charismatic----but he certainly has more than Hillary. Everyone knows that Joe is no genius, and he is not going to be running on any campaign declaring that he is, unlike Donald Trump; but he is sensible, and I think that is the single most important quality for ANY President.....
 
I don't think so. For one thing, Joe Biden has no email controversy to dog him

This is very reminiscent of arguments I had back in 2008. One big selling point of Obama over Clinton was the idea that somehow he'd be stronger because he didn't have baggage. The Republicans wouldn't have any material to smear him with, and maybe, just maybe, he could successfully reach across the aisle, because unlike Clinton he wouldn't be hated from the start. At the time I argued that whatever the merits of Clinton versus Obama might be, we should not factor that line of thought into it, because the moment Obama emerged as the likely nominee, the Republicans would be 100% convinced he was every bit as much the anti-christ as Clinton, and they'd have all manner of supposed scandals to smear him with. Sure, they couldn't go after him about Whitewater, but they'd find something, and if they couldn't find anything, their conservative media handlers would invent something fast, and the marching morons would subscribe to it without reservation, from day one.

At the time, that was just a guess on my part. But, with the benefit of hindsight, I see that it was entirely correct. As soon as Obama emerged as the likely nominee, the Republicans convinced themselves he was the worst possible person to be president. They even started talking up the relative merit of Clinton (in a vain attempt to peel off some PUMAs). They may not have had Whitewater to work with, but they instantly convinced themselves that he'd been born in Kenya, and that he was a Muslim, and that he and his (Christian) minister hated America. Heck, in a virtual tribute to Whitewater, they even invented a real estate scandal for Obama -- based around supposed misconduct involving Tony Rezko buying up land for Obama. That's in addition to the various scandals they floated that didn't get as much traction (accusing him of plagiarism, involvement in a gay murder, and fluff about arugala, accusing his wife of anti-American comments, and so on).

I think liberals and Democrats make a mistake when they make decisions in anticipation of what conservatives and Republicans will think. Conservatives and Republicans, for the most part, don't think. They just mindlessly hate whoever has been identified for them as their enemy. They hated Clinton in 2007, and didn't miss a beat transferring it to Obama in 2008 -- grabbing on to Obama pseudo-scandals as firmly as they grabbed on to Clinton pseudo scandals. The same will happen if Biden emerges as the likely nominee in 2016.

That's not to say there's no argument for supporting Biden over Clinton -- there could well be. For my part, I support Sanders over Clinton. I just don't factor in the Clinton pseudo-scandals in that decision. They'll have pre-fab pseudo-scandals set to go the moment Biden, Sanders, or anyone else emerges as the likely nominee. The Democrats could nominate Jesus Christ and within a few days the Republicans would be convinced the guy is a corrupt, communist, Kenyan, Muslim, arugala-chomping homosexual.
 
This is very reminiscent of arguments I had back in 2008. One big selling point of Obama over Clinton was the idea that somehow he'd be stronger because he didn't have baggage. The Republicans wouldn't have any material to smear him with, and maybe, just maybe, he could successfully reach across the aisle, because unlike Clinton he wouldn't be hated from the start. At the time I argued that whatever the merits of Clinton versus Obama might be, we should not factor that line of thought into it, because the moment Obama emerged as the likely nominee, the Republicans would be 100% convinced he was every bit as much the anti-christ as Clinton, and they'd have all manner of supposed scandals to smear him with. Sure, they couldn't go after him about Whitewater, but they'd find something, and if they couldn't find anything, their conservative media handlers would invent something fast, and the marching morons would subscribe to it without reservation, from day one.

At the time, that was just a guess on my part. But, with the benefit of hindsight, I see that it was entirely correct. As soon as Obama emerged as the likely nominee, the Republicans convinced themselves he was the worst possible person to be president. They even started talking up the relative merit of Clinton (in a vain attempt to peel off some PUMAs). They may not have had Whitewater to work with, but they instantly convinced themselves that he'd been born in Kenya, and that he was a Muslim, and that he and his (Christian) minister hated America. Heck, in a virtual tribute to Whitewater, they even invented a real estate scandal for Obama -- based around supposed misconduct involving Tony Rezko buying up land for Obama. That's in addition to the various scandals they floated that didn't get as much traction (accusing him of plagiarism, involvement in a gay murder, and fluff about arugala, accusing his wife of anti-American comments, and so on).

I think liberals and Democrats make a mistake when they make decisions in anticipation of what conservatives and Republicans will think. Conservatives and Republicans, for the most part, don't think. They just mindlessly hate whoever has been identified for them as their enemy. They hated Clinton in 2007, and didn't miss a beat transferring it to Obama in 2008 -- grabbing on to Obama pseudo-scandals as firmly as they grabbed on to Clinton pseudo scandals. The same will happen if Biden emerges as the likely nominee in 2016.

That's not to say there's no argument for supporting Biden over Clinton -- there could well be. For my part, I support Sanders over Clinton. I just don't factor in the Clinton pseudo-scandals in that decision. They'll have pre-fab pseudo-scandals set to go the moment Biden, Sanders, or anyone else emerges as the likely nominee. The Democrats could nominate Jesus Christ and within a few days the Republicans would be convinced the guy is a corrupt, communist, Kenyan, Muslim, arugala-chomping homosexual.
Actually Republicans would be convinced Jesus (as Democratic nominee) is a corrupt, communist, egomaniac with delusions of Godhood, anti-semitic, pedophelic (you know, 'suffer the children to come unto me'), arugula-chomping homosexual.
 
Maybe Democrats will be more enthusiastic about a Biden candidacy when they realize that he is beating both Donald Trump and Dr. Ben Carson in hypothetical matchups, by a large amount; whereas Hillary Clinton is currently LOSING to Carson in a hypothetical matchup, and close to being in a dead heat with Mr. Trump.

If Democrats want to maintain their control of the White House after 2016, they had better take a closer look at Joe. I'm ridin' with Biden, because I grow increasingly concerned that Hillary could lose a close election to one of the Republicans. She has very high negative ratings in various polls; Joe does not.

Beating Carson and Trump...didn't Biden say to use a shotgun...I think that was standard for democrats to use shotguns on People of color if they weren't lynching them.

If democrats want to maintain...Gropin' with Biden...I do believe however Obama would support a Biden Presidency...not that his support makes Biden a good choice...he just doesn't treat women with high regard.
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Actually Republicans would be convinced Jesus (as Democratic nominee) is a corrupt, communist, egomaniac with delusions of Godhood, anti-semitic, pedophelic (you know, 'suffer the children to come unto me'), arugula-chomping homosexual.

Democrats would nominate Jesus? They'd more likely crucify him again.
 
Actually Republicans would be convinced Jesus (as Democratic nominee) is a corrupt, communist, egomaniac with delusions of Godhood, anti-semitic, pedophelic (you know, 'suffer the children to come unto me'), arugula-chomping homosexual.

As if Jesus would ever choose to be a Pharisee...you misunderstood the whole concept and let your inner bigot come out.
 
I don't think so. For one thing, Joe Biden has no email controversy to dog him, nor was he involved in any major way with the Benghazi event. Now, you and I both know that those are both pseudo-scandals, but the American electorate does NOT!

I also think Hillary Clinton has a severe charisma deficit (in sharp contrast to her husband). Joe may not be overflowing with charisma---he is not like either Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, both considered very charismatic----but he certainly has more than Hillary. Everyone knows that Joe is no genius, and he is not going to be running on any campaign declaring that he is, unlike Donald Trump; but he is sensible, and I think that is the single most important quality for ANY President.....


Who is the you and I..The mouse in your pocket and you? I suppose if someone let your family die...that would be a pseudo scandal too...I think not...You be angry and hurt because someone did nothing.

Everyone knows that Joe is a mysogynist ...known as the creepy veepy
 
Beating Carson and Trump...didn't Biden say to use a shotgun...I think that was standard for democrats to use shotguns on People of color if they weren't lynching them.

If democrats want to maintain...Gropin' with Biden...I do believe however Obama would support a Biden Presidency...not that his support makes Biden a good choice...he just doesn't treat women with high regard.
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You've forgotten George W. Bush groping German leader Angela Merkel:

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We'll see. Most major polls have included him, anyway, and Clinton has still had a gigantic lead, despite that. The latest I've seen, the ABC/Post poll, has Clinton at 54, which is well over twice as much as the next-closest candidate, Sanders, at 23. Biden's at 16 and everyone else has statistically insignificant support.

I welcome Biden, since I think he brings some interesting perspectives to the race, and it's early enough that I think there's value in that. But, at this point, it's hard to see him closing that gigantic gap. He's a decent campaigner, but not an electrifying one, and unlike Sanders (or Obama in 2008), he doesn't have the kind of enthusiasm in the base that could grab him enough early contests to build as he goes along.

Don't worry, your Iraq war vote is safe for now...both Hillary and Biden were all in on Iraq.
 
Actually Republicans would be convinced Jesus (as Democratic nominee) is a corrupt, communist, egomaniac with delusions of Godhood, anti-semitic, pedophelic (you know, 'suffer the children to come unto me'), arugula-chomping homosexual.

what is it with you Christian haters..............were you a choir boy molested by a Priest?
 
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