Dylan Roof got his gun legally through a background check

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

Just throwing this out this. What would be the odds that the government would allow crazy people to have access to firearms? Let's not forget that famous quote made by Rham Emanuel Don't let a good crisis go to waste, well in this case giving a little assistance would also help the cause.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

Let me clarify one thing I'm not saying all crazy people would be allowed to have one, just a select few some on the fringe

 

[Caroljo]

If someone has nothing in their background to show they aren't 'sane' enough to own a weapon, how is a background check going to stop them? Nobody knows when someone is going to 'snap' or become unstable. It's not something that would show up in their background if there's never been a problem before.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

If someone has nothing in their background to show they aren't 'sane' enough to own a weapon, how is a background check going to stop them? Nobody knows when someone is going to 'snap' or become unstable. It's not something that would show up in their background if there's never been a problem before.

Not that I am going to disagree with you. But this thread was started on the speculation of the government allowing a select few to pass a background check. Some that are on the fringe or medication that would prevent them from having a firearm. Roof had a drug charge, people like Roof those that fly under the radar but could crack on a moments notice.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

obama had no problem allowing guns to fall into the hands of the Mexican durg cartels. FAST AND THE FURIOUS.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

If someone has nothing in their background to show they aren't 'sane' enough to own a weapon, how is a background check going to stop them? Nobody knows when someone is going to 'snap' or become unstable. It's not something that would show up in their background if there's never been a problem before.

Good point. We better just not let anyone buy guns. Safety first!

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

Good point. We better just not let anyone buy guns. Safety first!

Actually that wasn't the point of this thread. Just a different view to the root cause of the poblem.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Actually that wasn't the point of this thread. Just a different view to the root cause of the poblem.

Oh I know. And as we have seen from Fast and Furious, the Obama administration is certainly not beyond providing guns to questionable characters to make their case for disarming the American people.

 

[Max R.]

Just throwing this out this. What would be the odds that the government would allow crazy people to have access to firearms? Let's not forget that famous quote made by Rham Emanuel Don't let a good crisis go to waste, well in this case giving a little assistance would also help the cause.

They didn't allow Roof to have a gun. Hanlon's Razor; they fucked up and Roof was able to buy the gun.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

Oh I know. And as we have seen from Fast and Furious, the Obama administration is certainly not beyond providing guns to questionable characters to make their case for disarming the American people.

Which brings us back to the purpose of this thread. Was it intentional to allow Roof a premit to buy his handgun? will more people be allowed this piece of paper that shouldn't have it?

 

[Max R.]

Which brings us back to the purpose of this thread. Was it intentional to allow Roof a premit to buy his handgun? will more people be allowed this piece of paper that shouldn't have it?

Does NC require a permit to have a handgun? Texas doesn't. Just a permit to carry it concealed.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

They didn't allow Roof to have a gun. Hanlon's Razor; they fucked up and Roof was able to buy the gun.

They said they made a mistake but then again they've said that before. These people are underhanded and will do anything to push their agenda. Think back when obama first took office his administration was pushing for gun control because of what was happening in Mexico BECAUSE of their own gun running program.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

Does NC require a permit to have a handgun? Texas doesn't. Just a permit to carry it concealed.

Yes North Carolina has that old Democrat program to buy a handgun you must have a purchase permit. but we are an open carry state.

 

[Max R.]

They said they made a mistake but then again they've said that before. These people are underhanded and will do anything to push their agenda. Think back when obama first took office his administration was pushing for gun control because of what was happening in Mexico BECAUSE of their own gun running program.

'These people"? You mean the FBI? Do you think they are conspiring with Obama to take away our guns? It was the ATF, not the FBI, who ran "Fast and Furious".

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/us/background-check-flaw-let-dylann-roof-buy-gun-fbi-says.html
The man accused of killing nine people in a historically black church in South Carolina last month was able to buy the gun used in the attack because of a breakdown in the federal gun background check system, the F.B.I. said Friday.

Despite having previously admitted to drug possession, the man, Dylann Roof, 21, was allowed to buy the .45-caliber handgun because of mistakes by F.B.I. agents, a failure by local prosecutors to respond to a bureau request for more information about his case, and a weakness in federal gun laws.

“We are all sick this happened,” said James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director. “We wish we could turn back time. From this vantage point, everything seems obvious.”

The authorities’ inability to prevent Mr. Roof from obtaining the weapon highlighted the continuing problems in the background check system, which was intended to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, drug users and mentally ill people. Despite new procedures and billions of dollars that have been spent on computer upgrades in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the federal authorities still do not have a seamless way of examining Americans’ criminal histories that eliminates human error.

The disclosure also introduced another element of politics into the aftermath of the massacre, which has already led lawmakers in South Carolina to remove the Confederate battle flag that flew outside its State House. Republicans and Democrats quickly seized on the background check failure as the latest evidence to back up their views on gun laws.

Mr. Roof exploited the three-day waiting time that has allowed thousands of prohibited buyers to legally purchase firearms over the past decade — and some of those weapons were ultimately used in crimes, according to court records and government documents.

The Department of Justice’s inspector general has been investigating the three-day loophole for some time, Mr. Comey said.

In an hourlong briefing with reporters, Mr. Comey said the F.B.I. had begun informing the victims’ family members about the breakdown. He also said that he had ordered a review of the episode and that its findings be reported to him within 30 days................

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Which brings us back to the purpose of this thread. Was it intentional to allow Roof a premit to buy his handgun? will more people be allowed this piece of paper that shouldn't have it?

That would be tough to answer about Roof specifically. However, I can say this with all certainty: if I were to find out that were the case, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. He seems like a dream "candidate" for Obama- white, killed blacks, confederate flag, etc.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

'These people"? You mean the FBI? Do you think they are conspiring with Obama to take away our guns? It was the ATF, not the FBI, who ran "Fast and Furious".

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/us/background-check-flaw-let-dylann-roof-buy-gun-fbi-says.html
The man accused of killing nine people in a historically black church in South Carolina last month was able to buy the gun used in the attack because of a breakdown in the federal gun background check system, the F.B.I. said Friday.

Despite having previously admitted to drug possession, the man, Dylann Roof, 21, was allowed to buy the .45-caliber handgun because of mistakes by F.B.I. agents, a failure by local prosecutors to respond to a bureau request for more information about his case, and a weakness in federal gun laws.

“We are all sick this happened,” said James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director. “We wish we could turn back time. From this vantage point, everything seems obvious.”

The authorities’ inability to prevent Mr. Roof from obtaining the weapon highlighted the continuing problems in the background check system, which was intended to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, drug users and mentally ill people. Despite new procedures and billions of dollars that have been spent on computer upgrades in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the federal authorities still do not have a seamless way of examining Americans’ criminal histories that eliminates human error.

The disclosure also introduced another element of politics into the aftermath of the massacre, which has already led lawmakers in South Carolina to remove the Confederate battle flag that flew outside its State House. Republicans and Democrats quickly seized on the background check failure as the latest evidence to back up their views on gun laws.

Mr. Roof exploited the three-day waiting time that has allowed thousands of prohibited buyers to legally purchase firearms over the past decade — and some of those weapons were ultimately used in crimes, according to court records and government documents.

The Department of Justice’s inspector general has been investigating the three-day loophole for some time, Mr. Comey said.

In an hourlong briefing with reporters, Mr. Comey said the F.B.I. had begun informing the victims’ family members about the breakdown. He also said that he had ordered a review of the episode and that its findings be reported to him within 30 days................

Government in general some in the FBI could allow things to happen this way.

Don't let a good crisis go to waste and I'll add if one isn't readily available make one happen.

 

[Max R.]

Government in general some in the FBI could allow things to happen this way.

Don't let a good crisis go to waste and I'll add if one isn't readily available make one happen.

Like the military and other government agencies, while ever group has their [Unwelcome language removed] asshats be they nuns, 3 percenters or FBI agents, most are patriots trying to do the right thing. The right thing doesn't include immoral acts like murder or framing someone for murder.

If it was a conspiracy as you suggest, someone will talk and all will be revealed.