Every Sperm is Sacred!!!

[Craig]

Oklahoma legislator responds to personhood amendment...


...Despite being rebuffed by voters in Mississippi and Colorado, proponents of the “personhood” movement are still pushing to enact legislation in states like Ohio and Oklahoma that would give zygotes the same rights as American citizens. These bills would not only criminalize abortion in all circumstances, they would also outlaw common forms of contraception, as well as in vitro fertilization. To poke fun at the absurdity of the measure, Oklahoma state Sen. Constance Johnson (D), has tacked on a provision affirming — in the words of a famous Monty Python song — that every sperm is sacred:

State Senator Constance Johnson of Oklahoma City has served Oklahoma’s 48th Senate District since 2005, but it was yesterday’s introduction of Senate Bill 1433 that really pushed her over the edge. The bill sought to define human life as beginning at the moment of conception, before it’s even implanted in the womb, and offers full legal protection to those tiny multicelled lumps. In the words of the bill, “the unborn child at every stage of development (has) all the rights, privileges, and immunities available to other persons, citizens, and residents of this state.”
Johnson submitted an amendment of her own to the bill, which would have added the language,
However, any action in which a man ejaculates or otherwise deposits semen anywhere but in a woman’s vagina shall be interpreted and construed as an action against an unborn child.
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Among other things, Johnson’s amendment would essentially outlaw oral sex, anal sex, and masturbation. Were it not a satirical bill, it would almost certainly be deemed unconstitutional...


http://thinkprogress.org/health/201...sperm-is-sacred-amendment-to-personhood-bill/











And of course...




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[gigi]

I don't want to burst your bubble, but the Python bit is considered pretty funny among Catholics, although some of us take issue with the images of our Mother that appear in the scene. But we do poke fun at the song. My own kids sing it from time to time.

I'll save you the trouble. We like Tom Lehrer, too.

The personhood amendments won't ever pass. But they get people talking about gestational development. I think that's the best thing to come out of them.

 

[Craig]

Burst my bubble? To what bubble do you refer? You wouldn't be assuming and judging, would you?

The personhood amendments are perfect examples of overblown religious legislation. It is with great hope that your prediction they never pass come true.

 

[Bo-4]

Lol!!!

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[gigi]

Craig, they won't pass. They can't pass. They actually do present an issue to women's health. And even where they've been presented in highly, staunchly prolife communities, they've failed. Exit interviews reveal that the language leaves too much open and interpretable language for the prolifers' peace of mind, where affects on women would be concerned.

These amendments come along because prolifers who try to speak out against abortion have often been criticized for not "going all the way" so to speak and defending the fertilized egg. But again, they get people talking about, hey, 23 days after these two cells get together, a human heart is present and beating. By the time a woman realizes she's pregnant, there's a face recognizable as human on this being, too. It brings the humanity of the unborn into the conversation.



I've been on the threads about the Catholic Church VS. Obama all morning. So I'm in defense against Catholic-bash mode, I guess. So I apologize if I misjudged your intentions. Hope you accept.

 

[Bo-4]

So I'm in defense against Catholic-bash mode, I guess.

Nobody is bashing Catholics gigi.. we're simply pointing out that when it comes to birth control, a vast majority agree with the president.

 

[Craig]

Craig, they won't pass. They can't pass. They actually do present an issue to women's health. And even where they've been presented in highly, staunchly prolife communities, they've failed. Exit interviews reveal that the language leaves too much open and interpretable language for the prolifers' peace of mind, where affects on women would be concerned.

These amendments come along because prolifers who try to speak out against abortion have often been criticized for not "going all the way" so to speak and defending the fertilized egg. But again, they get people talking about, hey, 23 days after these two cells get together, a human heart is present and beating. By the time a woman realizes she's pregnant, there's a face recognizable as human on this being, too. It brings the humanity of the unborn into the conversation.



I've been on the threads about the Catholic Church VS. Obama all morning. So I'm in defense against Catholic-bash mode, I guess. So I apologize if I misjudged your intentions. Hope you accept.

I must assume you know that Santorum, Romney and Gingrich all signed the "Personhood Pledge"...so from my side, all are disqualified. I see it as yet another attack on women...by old men. It's noxious.

As to forcing Catholics into paying for things they don't like...what makes them special? I don't like war, yet my taxes go to war. This is an aspect of our society...and is something we all have to contend and deal with.

I accept your apology. I am no fan of the Catholic Church. I see the leadership as empirical old men, set in ancient ways that simply do not respect the times. That said, you have been an extreme apologist for the Church in your self stated defensive mode. No problem, we all have a cross to bear. The Church is not perfect and really needs to clean house before it attempts to turn its anger on others.

Just my opinion.

 

[TwoWitnesses]

As to forcing Catholics into paying for things they don't like...what makes them special? I don't like war, yet my taxes go to war. This is an aspect of our society...and is something we all have to contend and deal with.

So right... How many americans are wholly opposed to war, yet without question the wars are funded by those same americans?

 

[Craig]

And was the Catholic Church leading the call against war? Was Santorum holding hands across America to protest violent bloodshed around the world? No, he was not.

 

[gigi]

Nobody is bashing Catholics gigi.. we're simply pointing out that when it comes to birth control, a vast majority agree with the president.

Nobody's bashing the Catholics, Bo?

Have you read the other threads on the Politics board?
Church run by old pedophiles. Old pedophiles who only want sex with boys making decisions to subjugate women?
Pushing their beliefs on others (simply because they expect the Constitutional protections they've always had)?

I disagree with you. That's not simply pointing out anything. Those are judgements and they're untrue and ugly. That constitutes bashing to me.

 

[gigi]

And was the Catholic Church leading the call against war? Was Santorum holding hands across America to protest violent bloodshed around the world? No, he was not.

Was Joe Biden, who personally agrees with the Catholic Church's view of abortion holding hands with all the prolifers in a stand against abortion? No. Biden said he believes one thing but because he chose to go into public service, he supports upholding existing laws and rights women have in the Country he chose to serve.
Perhaps Santorum is capable of believing in and praying for an end to all wars, which we do pray for by the way, and yet supporting government's moves to defend us.
Let's not forget Obama's recent declaration of how his Christianity guides his decisons as president. Well, there's a Christian who has ordered the deaths of men and has ordered warfare. I believe he did those things because he felt they were best for our country at the time. But not exactly out of the Gospel. So maybe we don't want to call Santorum a hypocrite.

 

[Bo-4]

Well gigi, it would seem to me that the pedophile Priest thing is pretty legit criticism.

IMHO, it stems from the celibacy requirement.

Y'all need to get rid of that because it fuels bizarre behavior a few years down the line.

 

[Craig]

Defend us? Are you one of those folks that believes Saddam was a threat to the existence of the United States?

All your post does is show how incredibly difficult life is...and how difficult decisions need to be made nearly every day...and if one is dedicated to a principle...it is almost certain to be that very same principle that is most likely to trip one up. So...humans end up compartmentalizing their actions. "I'm against killing...except when I'm not"...

We all require justification of our behavior. Personally...I enjoy many of the behaviorial aspects put forth by the bible...but I also reject some. I see the Bible as a handbook, but one that written before we understood that cooking pork kept us safe from the parasites that made it unclean. I live by the Chesapeake...in a state founded by Roman Catholics...that puts crab on every menu it possibly can.

Sorry...I am free to call Rick Santorum a hypocrite...if that is my perception of him. In truth, I find him less of a hypocrite than many. Same with Michael Steele; he didn't beat the drum for war, he doesn't like abortion, and he doesn't like the death penalty. He is less hypocritical on that issue than many.

 

[gigi]

Well gigi, it would seem to me that the pedophile Priest thing is pretty legit criticism.

IMHO, it stems from the celibacy requirement.

Y'all need to get rid of that because it fuels bizarre behavior a few years down the line.

It's not a legit criticism, Bo. Some men did some horrible things. But to assume that the Church is being run by pedophiles is nothing other than using the actions of a very few to attack the whole group. That's the basis for bigotry. You're engaging in it now.

Celibacy doesn't cause pedophilia. I'll believe you really believe that when you tell me that you made sure every teacher, coach, and anyone else who had unsupervised contact with your kids was getting laid regularly.

 

[degsme]

It's not a legit criticism, Bo. Some men did some horrible things. But to assume that the Church is being run by pedophiles is nothing other than using the actions of a very few to attack the whole group. That's the basis for bigotry. You're engaging in it now.

Well it is "guilt by association". OTOH the folks running the organization covered up for these pedophiles, often lying to law enforcement.

And no. The reason for the " personhood" amendments is not as a response to being accused of "not going all the way"... rather it is precisely because of things like RU-486 which do not cross the placental boundary. The BELIEF is on the part of the anti-choicers (because the issue here is purely about who gets to control a woman's reproductive organs) that if a fetus can be ruled to be a "person" that somehow the government gets more Constittional authority to seize the woman's organs without due process.

 

[degsme]

Was Joe Biden, who personally agrees with the Catholic Church's view of abortion holding hands with all the prolifers in a stand against abortion? No. Biden said he believes one thing but because he chose to go into public service, he supports upholding existing laws and rights women have in the Country he chose to serve.
Perhaps Santorum is capable of believing in and praying for an end to all wars, which we do pray for by the way, and yet supporting government's moves to defend us.
Let's not forget Obama's recent declaration of how his Christianity guides his decisons as president. Well, there's a Christian who has ordered the deaths of men and has ordered warfare. I believe he did those things because he felt they were best for our country at the time. But not exactly out of the Gospel. So maybe we don't want to call Santorum a hypocrite.

Um given that Santorum WHEN HE WAS IN OFFICE was incapable of this, there is zero reason to not call Santorum a hypocrite.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

Nobody's bashing the Catholics, Bo?

count me as one Catholic here who is bashing the Catholic Bishops (not the religion). the Bishops lost all credibility after protecting child sexual molesting priests.....for decades and decades.......allowing the abuse to continue. they are just as guilty as the perp priests.

I don't want to hear their whining that they didn't get the exemption they wanted.....which is to disallow contraceptives being covered at all in the ACA....for ALL Americans.

 

[Craig]

the Bishops lost all credibility after protecting child sexual molesting priests.....for decades and decades.......allowing the abuse to continued. they are just as guilty as the perp priests. these old white males need to preach to their flock about contraception and shut the f*ck up about it in other domains.

My sentiments exactly. It wasn't a one time consideration, it was a long protracted affair that encompassed Priests on every continent...and was shrouded by The Vatican. Bad bad bad bad men.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

My sentiments exactly. It wasn't a one time consideration, it was a long protracted affair that encompassed Priests on every continent...and was shrouded by The Vatican. Bad bad bad bad men.

and they're all conservatives (while the good nuns are libs).

 

[Friday13]

I see it as yet another attack on women...by old men. It's noxious.

As to forcing Catholics into paying for things they don't like...what makes them special? I don't like war, yet my taxes go to war. This is an aspect of our society...and is something we all have to contend and deal with.

I am no fan of the Catholic Church. I see the leadership as empirical old men, set in ancient ways that simply do not respect the times.

The Church is not perfect and really needs to clean house before it attempts to turn its anger on others.

I agree with everything you have said in what I quoted. The catholic church tries to enforce it's rules on all while complaining about having rules forced on it. Can't have it both ways.