EVIL vs. EVIL

[Capitalist]

Why are people not grasping the concept? Why must we choose sides? Why can't BOTH sides in the Charlottesville clash be evil and reject both?

The critical thinkers can see this. You can tell a dupe from a mile away by their unchallenged, unthinking, unintelligent, droopy eyed, slack jaw conclusion that the group fighting the Nazis MUST be good 'cuz. . .'cuz. . .

. . .'cuz they're fightin' Nazis!

You want the greatest Nazi killer in history? Here's your Nazi fightin' hero!

Drink it in folks! By golly! He hates Nazis too! He's the heart and soul of ANTIFA!

 

[Capitalist]

No. Not intimidating thugs at all.

Right at the 20 second mark far left side. Sorry folks, ANTIFA started that one.

Fighting racist horses too!

 

[georgephillip]

Why are people not grasping the concept? Why must we choose sides? Why can't BOTH sides in the Charlottesville clash be evil and reject both?

Because one side supports white supremacy and the other doesn't.

 

[resident_evil]

Why are people not grasping the concept? Why must we choose sides? Why can't BOTH sides in the Charlottesville clash be evil and reject both?

The critical thinkers can see this. You can tell a dupe from a mile away by their unchallenged, unthinking, unintelligent, droopy eyed, slack jaw conclusion that the group fighting the Nazis MUST be good 'cuz. . .'cuz. . .

. . .'cuz they're fightin' Nazis!

You want the greatest Nazi killer in history? Here's your Nazi fightin' hero!

Drink it in folks! By golly! He hates Nazis too! He's the heart and soul of ANTIFA!

The problem is that when they chant, "No Nazis, no KKK, no racist USA," the right doesn't respond with, "Communists go home!"

The right is full of demonstration newbies with a clear lack of imagination and unity. Enough unity to toss the scum Nazis and Klan out from among them.

Try this chant:

"BORG, BORG, WE WILL NOT ASSIMILATE!"

OR

Call : "Say"
Response: "No to 1984"

OR

"Commies go home!?

BUT ALL WE HEAR IS NAZI SHIT CHANTS AND "USA, USA, USA"

 

[Capitalist]

Because one side supports white supremacy and the other doesn't.

Y'know, that's your X-ray in the top post.

 

[georgephillip]

Y'know, that's your X-ray in the top post.

I got two hamsters on my wheel, but they're going in opposite directions
(One must be a Republican)

 

[Capitalist]

The problem is that when they chant, "No Nazis, no KKK, no racist USA," the right doesn't respond with, "Communists go home!"

The right is full of demonstration newbies with a clear lack of imagination and unity. Enough unity to toss the scum Nazis and Klan out from among them.

Try this chant:

"BORG, BORG, WE WILL NOT ASSIMILATE!"

OR

Call : "Say"
Response: "No to 1984"

OR

"Commies go home!?

BUT ALL WE HEAR IS NAZI SHIT CHANTS AND "USA, USA, USA"

"HEY HEY HO HO! AN-ti-FA HAS GOT TO GO!"

"WHAT DO WE WANT?"
"HISTORY!"
"WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
"NOW!"

"NINE-TEEN-EIGHTY-FOUR SHOW THESE ASSHATS TO THE DOOR!"

"an-TI-fa, NAZIS, SOROS FOOL TAKE YOUR BUTT HURT HOME AND DROOL!"

And then I'm sure something can be pulled from this:

 

[EatTheRich]

Why are people not grasping the concept? Why must we choose sides? Why can't BOTH sides in the Charlottesville clash be evil and reject both?

The critical thinkers can see this. You can tell a dupe from a mile away by their unchallenged, unthinking, unintelligent, droopy eyed, slack jaw conclusion that the group fighting the Nazis MUST be good 'cuz. . .'cuz. . .

. . .'cuz they're fightin' Nazis!

You want the greatest Nazi killer in history? Here's your Nazi fightin' hero!

Drink it in folks! By golly! He hates Nazis too! He's the heart and soul of ANTIFA!

And your point? Was it wrong to support Stalin's defense of civilization against the Nazis? Sometimes you need to make temporary compromises with a lesser evil to defeat a much more dangerous one.

 

[Emily]

Was it wrong to support Stalin's defense of civilization against the Nazis?

It was wrong to teach generations that falsified version of history.
Would it have been wrong to support Hitler's defense of civilization against the Bolsheviks?

 

[EatTheRich]

It was wrong to teach generations that falsified version of history.
Would it have been wrong to support Hitler's defense of civilization against the Bolsheviks?

Hitler was defending capitalist barbarism, by the most barbaric of means. Stalin could act barbaric too, no doubt, but that was occasioned partly by the rapacity of the foe, against whom barbaric arguments alone could succeed, and partly by Stalin's two-faced aspirations (acted on more than once) to betray his own side's cause and desert to the camp of capitalist reaction.

 

[Capitalist]

And your point? Was it wrong to support Stalin's defense of civilization against the Nazis? Sometimes you need to make temporary compromises with a lesser evil to defeat a much more dangerous one.

Ah yes. Our local resident communist weighs in.

Y'know, Patton had it right.

“We promised the Europeans freedom. It would be worse than dishonorable not to see they have it. This might mean war with the Russians, but what of it? They have no Air Force anymore, their gasoline and ammunition supplies are low. I've seen their miserable supply trains; mostly wagons draw by beaten up old hoses or oxen. I'll say this; the Third Army alone with very little help and with damned few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don't ever forget them... Someday we will have to fight them and it will take six years and cost us six million lives.

But unfortunately, the socialists in power, FDR and others, deemed the communists to be the "good socialists" and the Nazis the bad ones.

Imagine how many lives and how much treasure we could have saved by following Patton's advice and roll across the Soviet Union killing the Cold War before it began.

Both are evil. It is the epitome of EVIL vs. EVIL.

 

[EatTheRich]

Ah yes. Our local resident communist weighs in.

Y'know, Patton had it right.



But unfortunately, the socialists in power, FDR and others, deemed the communists to be the "good socialists" and the Nazis the bad ones.

Imagine how many lives and how much treasure we could have saved by following Patton's advice and roll across the Soviet Union killing the Cold War before it began.

Roosevelt, a capitalist leader, was much more sympathetic to the politics of his fellow capitalist leader Hitler than to Stalin, although by strategic necessity he allied with Stalin, first against Trotsky and communism and later against German imperialism. He ignored Patton's advice for one simple reason: not being the dumb SOB Patton was, he had the capacity to foresee the likelihood that the same soldiers who had gleefully or grudgingly fought Germany could never be induced to turn their guns on the Soviet Union. He quickly calculated that U.S. imperialism's interests would be better served by relying on Stalin to lead finance capital's attack on the Russian revolution, rather than attempt, as Hitler had with disastrous results, conquest of a foe he had greatly underestimated (as Patton did), and face guerrilla resistance across Europe-wide supply lines and labor uprisings in the U.S. itself, if not more of the out-and-out mutiny experienced in the post-V-E period.

 

[Emily]

Hitler was defending capitalist barbarism, by the most barbaric of means. Stalin could act barbaric too, no doubt, but that was occasioned partly by the rapacity of the foe, against whom barbaric arguments alone could succeed, and partly by Stalin's two-faced aspirations (acted on more than once) to betray his own side's cause and desert to the camp of capitalist reaction.

Apologetics and a perversion of history.

 

[EatTheRich]

Apologetics and a perversion of history.

Uh huh ... so which are you, a Holocaust denier or a Holocaust defender?

 

[sear]

"Why are people not grasping the concept? Why must we choose sides? Why can't BOTH sides in the Charlottesville clash be evil and reject both?" C #1

If the dispute between the opposing forces was as offensive as:
when nuns are raped, should they be raped in the mouth, or in the anus
and there were violent clashes between the two sides:
I might be inclined to agree with the topic challenge.

BUT !!

The pro- side were white supremacists, and neo-nazis.
Do you really think publicly taking a stand against such societal corrosive is a moral equivalence?

"The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients, and by parts ... the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." Thomas Paine

"Sunlight is the best disinfectant". Louis D. Brandeis

E pluribus unum *

* Motto for the Seal of the United States. Adopted 20 June 1782, recommended by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, 10 Aug. 1776, and proposed by Swiss artist Pierre Eugene du Simitière. It had originally appeared on the title page of the Gentleman's Journal (Jan. 1692).

The Columbia Dictionary of Quotations is licensed from Columbia University Press. Copyright © 1993, 1995 by Columbia University Press. All rights reserved.

 

[Emily]

Uh huh ... so which are you, a Holocaust denier or a Holocaust defender?

Denier.
Thanks for affirming and strengthening my point about the perversion of history. I don't feel revisionism regarding the Holocaust disinformation campaign equates well with your quirky Marxist revisionism regarding Hitler's & Stalin's motives, though.

Thanks also to sear...

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." Thomas Paine

... and Thomas Paine. That's a great quote for arguing against those using the skewed reporting of the events in VA as justification for efforts to further oppress White rights advocates and National Socialists.

 

[Queen Titania]

The problem is that when they chant, "No Nazis, no KKK, no racist USA," the right doesn't respond with, "Communists go home!"

The right is full of demonstration newbies with a clear lack of imagination and unity. Enough unity to toss the scum Nazis and Klan out from among them.

Try this chant:

"BORG, BORG, WE WILL NOT ASSIMILATE!"

OR

Call : "Say"
Response: "No to 1984"

OR

"Commies go home!?

BUT ALL WE HEAR IS NAZI SHIT CHANTS AND "USA, USA, USA"

The chant of the anti antifa, ( I cant; call them right because many are not) is 'You're not English, you're not English, you're not English anymore - you're not English anymore.'

 

[Deleted member 21794]

No. Not intimidating thugs at all.

Right at the 20 second mark far left side. Sorry folks, ANTIFA started that one.

Fighting racist horses too!

I love the first one. You can hear the thug asking "for what?" as he's arrested. And his pal that offers to file a false police report? Idiot.

We are dealing with savages who are dominated by lower brain thinking.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Because one side supports white supremacy and the other doesn't.

Not true. Leftists are calling for racial segregation as well.

 

[georgephillip]

Not true. Leftists are calling for racial segregation as well.

White supremacists often take segregation one step further:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd_Jr.

"James Byrd Jr. (May 2, 1949 – June 7, 1998) was an African-American who was murdered by three white supremacists, in Jasper, Texas, on June 7, 1998. Shawn Berry, Lawrence Russell Brewer, and John King dragged Byrd for three miles behind a pick-up truck along an asphalt road. Byrd, who remained conscious throughout most of the ordeal, was killed when his body hit the edge of a culvert, severing his right arm and head."