Game Over for Assad?

[georgephillip]

Have Turkey and Saudi Arabia decided to finish off Iran's influence in Syria, and, if so, how does that affect US/Israeli plans for a New Middle East?

TRNN producer Paul Jay asks the historian Gareth Porter for his interpretation of the recent ascent of a new military command that is dominated by al-Qaeda in Syria:

"JAY: I mean, the underlying issue here is U.S. policy is so entwined with allying with the most reactionary, fascistic forces imaginable, from Saudi Arabia to the Israelis, and so on, that the underpinnings of the policy almost dictate that they're going to get themselves into this kind of situation. But of course it's not the U.S. that's going to really pay the price. It's going to be the Syrian people.

"PORTER: Absolutely. And I would say that there are really two major kinds of forces that are sort of sucking the Obama administration into precisely this situation. And one of them is what you have alluded to already, which is that the Israelis and the other, the Sunni allies of the United States in the Middle East on whom we rely for military bases, the access to military bases in that region, as well as in the case of the Saudis for a huge bonanza of arms trade, arms sales, which add up to hundreds of million--excuse me, hundreds of billions of dollars over the next couple of decades. This is a very powerful set of interests that incline the U.S. national security state to go along with this.

"But on the second interest, I think, the second situation that does impel the Obama administration that direction, is that Obama definitely does not want the United States military to go to war in, against Isis or al-Nusra on the ground. And he's inclined to say to the Sunni states, well, if you want to fight it out with these people in Syria then go ahead. So he's kind of washing his hands of the outcome in Syria in that regard, it appears to me."

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=14044

 

[Queen Titania]

Have Turkey and Saudi Arabia decided to finish off Iran's influence in Syria, and, if so, how does that affect US/Israeli plans for a New Middle East?

TRNN producer Paul Jay asks the historian Gareth Porter for his interpretation of the recent ascent of a new military command that is dominated by al-Qaeda in Syria:

"JAY: I mean, the underlying issue here is U.S. policy is so entwined with allying with the most reactionary, fascistic forces imaginable, from Saudi Arabia to the Israelis, and so on, that the underpinnings of the policy almost dictate that they're going to get themselves into this kind of situation. But of course it's not the U.S. that's going to really pay the price. It's going to be the Syrian people.

"PORTER: Absolutely. And I would say that there are really two major kinds of forces that are sort of sucking the Obama administration into precisely this situation. And one of them is what you have alluded to already, which is that the Israelis and the other, the Sunni allies of the United States in the Middle East on whom we rely for military bases, the access to military bases in that region, as well as in the case of the Saudis for a huge bonanza of arms trade, arms sales, which add up to hundreds of million--excuse me, hundreds of billions of dollars over the next couple of decades. This is a very powerful set of interests that incline the U.S. national security state to go along with this.

"But on the second interest, I think, the second situation that does impel the Obama administration that direction, is that Obama definitely does not want the United States military to go to war in, against Isis or al-Nusra on the ground. And he's inclined to say to the Sunni states, well, if you want to fight it out with these people in Syria then go ahead. So he's kind of washing his hands of the outcome in Syria in that regard, it appears to me."

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=14044

The Chechen Wahhabi mercenaries took and hold Syrian Oil fields --- and that is that folks. IS is mainly Chechen in its make up with so many other odds and sods that a list of the nationalities which make up its 'Army' is impossible --- almost all come out of Saudi boys schools though, which are dotted all over the Islamic World - aimed at the poorest of the poor.

''
Iran
The US is in conflict with Iran, since it was thrown out of the country in 1979. According to the US, Iran is a dangerous country of fundamentalists.

The geographical position of Iran, between the Caspian Sea and the Indian Ocean, complicates US ambitions to control the rich reserves of oil and gas on the East side of the Caspian Sea. To transport this oil and gas to world markets without crossing neither Russia, nor Iran, pipelines had to be built through Afghanistan. Plans were made in the early nineties, but the pipelines are still not there.

Meanwhile the US tries to frustrate all competing projects of other countries.

Of course, this led to multiple conflicts of interest with Iran. George W. Bush would pretext the presence of Osama bin Laden to start a war against Afghanistan. [14]

In 1999 Iran publicly stated it wanted to accept euros for its oil as well. Iran sells 30 % of its oil production to Europe, the rest mainly to India an China and not a drip to the US, as a result of an embargo established by the US itself. In spite of Bush’ threatening tale, mentioning the country in his famous “axis of evil”, Iran started to sell its oil in euros from spring 2003.

After that, Iran wanted to establish its own oil-bourse, independent from the IPE and NYMEX. It would start on 20 March 2006. Considering the very weak health of the dollar at that time, a success of this bourse could have led to a catastrophe for the dollar and thus for he US. That is why tensions were very high at the beginning of 2006. [15]

Finally the opening of the oil-bourse was postponed. After that Putin established an oil bourse in Russia as quickly as possible, which took away the interest of the Iranian oil bourse. [16] [17] [18]

The US accuses Iran of wanting to make nukes. Because the US has not sufficient influence to switch back the oil trade into dollars, it probably hopes that the Iranian nuclear sites will be bombed once again [19], so Iran would have to consume its oil instead of selling it in euros.

Moreover, a masterly plan has been conceived to take possession of the world market for nuclear fuel, in concert with a few other countries and using Iran as the pretext and the test case. With this plan the demand for dollars would be secured for a long time, even after the oil age. [20]''

http://www.courtfool.info/en_Cost_abuse_and_danger_of_the_dollar.htm

 

[georgephillip]

The Chechen Wahhabi mercenaries took and hold Syrian Oil fields --- and that is that folks. IS is mainly Chechen in its make up with so many other odds and sods that a list of the nationalities which make up its 'Army' is impossible --- almost all come out of Saudi boys schools though, which are dotted all over the Islamic World - aimed at the poorest of the poor.

It often comes down to how the rich get richer by killing the poor, or, more precisely, by convincing the poor to enslave themselves for Allah or Wall Street. From your excellent link:
"Those who use dollars outside the US continuously pay a contribution to the US.

"It comes in the form of an inflation of 1.25 million dollars per minute.

"This is the result of the fast increase of the US foreign debt.

"Half of all US’ imports are simply added to the foreign debt and paid for by the foreign dollar holders through inflation.

"Moreover these dollar holders do not seem to realize, that the dollar rate they are looking at, is nothing more than a dangerous façade. If they don’t understand what is still keeping it upright, the façade may hit them by surprise."

I wonder if historical coincidence alone explains how the House of Saud allied with Wahhabism about the same time the US achieved its "independence" from the Bank of England?

If I didn't know better, I would believe great hereditary wealth doesn't even exist in a Free World

 

[Queen Titania]

It often comes down to how the rich get richer by killing the poor, or, more precisely, by convincing the poor to enslave themselves for Allah or Wall Street. From your excellent link:
"Those who use dollars outside the US continuously pay a contribution to the US.

"It comes in the form of an inflation of 1.25 million dollars per minute.

"This is the result of the fast increase of the US foreign debt.

"Half of all US’ imports are simply added to the foreign debt and paid for by the foreign dollar holders through inflation.

"Moreover these dollar holders do not seem to realize, that the dollar rate they are looking at, is nothing more than a dangerous façade. If they don’t understand what is still keeping it upright, the façade may hit them by surprise."

I wonder if historical coincidence alone explains how the House of Saud allied with Wahhabism about the same time the US achieved its "independence" from the Bank of England?

If I didn't know better, I would believe great hereditary wealth doesn't even exist in a Free World

The US was never free from The City of London which was gained by The Rothchilds after the Battle of Waterloo ----- Rothschild spread the rumour that the French had won so everyone sold him their English Gov shares cheap cheap cheap quick quick quick --- by the time the truth came through it was too late he owned The City. So The Rothschilds and extended family own the Fed too, by trickery.

The Sauds? I don't know if one can link the two but they are closely aligned with Israel, Khazars ( they are called sisters in that part of the World) --- The wants of the Powers within countries and the wants of the Powers of their Bankers are not always the same thing --- The Bankers have no National interests.

The Wahhabis put the Sauds into Power, then the two were joined by marriage. the Wahhabis then found the Sauds too lax and wanted to dethrone them --- the Sauds killed them but kept their religion to keep the populous down --- much as the Catholics did with the Inquisitions (Constantine), God being mightier than the sword alone ---- then they upped it when Communism became the danger by fighting one fanaticism with another fanaticism...... so they began their schools ( building an Army) all over the Islamic World. There is no doubt the old Empires had their alliances (hegemony fingers in pies) which were all usurped by the US after all others were bankrupted by the so called Second World War. But no one had complete Power over any situation then, do they now? I wonder --- they want us to think they have but ------

At one time in The Sudan the CIA were running re-education centres for the 'foreign fighters' who had been fighting for the US against Russia as Al Qaeda and or Taliban --- it is all a terribly evil and scary business, and dangerous, it could all back fire at any moment this messing with peoples minds ---- and through circumcision the tiny bodies of their baby boys too which damages their emotional growth.

What is being done in the ME was done in Europe first.

A good book in understanding the under laying problems we have.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Jesus-Mysteries-Original-Pagan/dp/0722536771

 

[Queen Titania]

Have Turkey and Saudi Arabia decided to finish off Iran's influence in Syria, and, if so, how does that affect US/Israeli plans for a New Middle East?

TRNN producer Paul Jay asks the historian Gareth Porter for his interpretation of the recent ascent of a new military command that is dominated by al-Qaeda in Syria:

"JAY: I mean, the underlying issue here is U.S. policy is so entwined with allying with the most reactionary, fascistic forces imaginable, from Saudi Arabia to the Israelis, and so on, that the underpinnings of the policy almost dictate that they're going to get themselves into this kind of situation. But of course it's not the U.S. that's going to really pay the price. It's going to be the Syrian people.

"PORTER: Absolutely. And I would say that there are really two major kinds of forces that are sort of sucking the Obama administration into precisely this situation. And one of them is what you have alluded to already, which is that the Israelis and the other, the Sunni allies of the United States in the Middle East on whom we rely for military bases, the access to military bases in that region, as well as in the case of the Saudis for a huge bonanza of arms trade, arms sales, which add up to hundreds of million--excuse me, hundreds of billions of dollars over the next couple of decades. This is a very powerful set of interests that incline the U.S. national security state to go along with this.

"But on the second interest, I think, the second situation that does impel the Obama administration that direction, is that Obama definitely does not want the United States military to go to war in, against Isis or al-Nusra on the ground. And he's inclined to say to the Sunni states, well, if you want to fight it out with these people in Syria then go ahead. So he's kind of washing his hands of the outcome in Syria in that regard, it appears to me."

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=14044

Ps Most of Assads Gov and admin are Sunnis btw. The true Sunni, the moderates, are on the same side as he ---- Syria's side against the 'Western World'.

 

[georgephillip]

The US was never free from The City of London which was gained by The Rothchilds after the Battle of Waterloo ----- Rothschild spread the rumour that the French had won so everyone sold him their English Gov shares cheap cheap cheap quick quick quick --- by the time the truth came through it was too late he owned The City. So The Rothschilds and extended family own the Fed too, by trickery.

Rothschild's capture of military intelligence at Waterloo extends to Wall Street's Ivy League capture of the CIA today. Central bankers were temporarily set back by the US Civil War (1861-65), but they wasted little time in regaining control after Lincoln's demise.

“'The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt civilization.' Otto von Bismark (1815-1898), German Chancellor, after the Lincoln assassination"

http://www.themoneymasters.com/the-money-masters/famous-quotations-on-banking/

 

[Queen Titania]

Rothschild's capture of military intelligence at Waterloo extends to Wall Street's Ivy League capture of the CIA today. Central bankers were temporarily set back by the US Civil War (1861-65), but they wasted little time in regaining control after Lincoln's demise.

“'The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt civilization.' Otto von Bismark (1815-1898), German Chancellor, after the Lincoln assassination"

http://www.themoneymasters.com/the-money-masters/famous-quotations-on-banking/

Yup and here we are! What to do about it huh?

 

[LanceFreeman]

Yup and here we are! What to do about it huh?

Hate to say this, but the rot has burrowed so deep, the only chance we have to be rid of this banker virus is via a military coup. Our military is, after all, the ultimate protector of the U.S. Constitution. This is the remedy suggested by Colonel Donn de Grand Pre for ridding ourselves of the Bolshevik-Jewish barbarians from East Europe. Read his excellent book 'Barbarians Inside the Gates'. Read also 'Thieves in the Temple' by Andre Eggelletion.

 

[Queen Titania]

Hate to say this, but the rot has burrowed so deep, the only chance we have to be rid of this banker virus is via a military coup. Our military is, after all, the ultimate protector of the U.S. Constitution. This is the remedy suggested by Colonel Donn de Grand Pre for ridding ourselves of the Bolshevik-Jewish barbarians from East Europe. Read his excellent book 'Barbarians Inside the Gates'. Read also 'Thieves in the Temple' by Andre Eggelletion.

Nope --- never worked before and now would be suicidal as well as defeating the object, that being of peace. If you are after anything else I am not interested. Gandhi said Jews should all commit suicide, which they have now misquoted, he said the long sleep would bring them to their senses --- but then he said a lot of odd things --- who ever you are you can always count on Gandhi too back you up

I diversify ---- Prof Dommergue thinks it too late now too --- he thinks too there will be a terrible World Wide Civil War and only then can those who are left begin again with care. I really don't know. Zundel thinks America will wake up and turn on the Jew as the Germans never actually did - I really don't know. I don't dream of a large event just an awakening to truths perhaps an enlightenment --- I certainly don't hope for violence but you are thinking of America where violence is in the very air you breath in so many places.

 

[georgephillip]

I diversify ---- Prof Dommergue thinks it too late now too --- he thinks too there will be a terrible World Wide Civil War and only then can those who are left begin again with care. I really don't know. Zundel thinks America will wake up and turn on the Jew as the Germans never actually did - I really don't know. I don't dream of a large event just an awakening to truths perhaps an enlightenment --- I certainly don't hope for violence but you are thinking of America where violence is in the very air you breath in so many places

Many of the most brilliantly violent Americans earn their living in the various branches of the military, and some of their leaders are convinced the earth is facing its Sixth Great Extinction as a consequence of global climate change. When FDR launched the original New Deal during the Great Depression he relied on the US military for key input. A Green New Deal 2.0 capable of putting millions of unemployed Americans (from Cancun to Canada) back to work building 21st century infrastructure won't happen if the hired killers in the Pentagon aren't behind it. Americans living in the US today, unlike those alive at the time of the Great Depression, have no conception of how the rich ruin their lives and the lives of their children. If that ever changes, it may well be beyond the power of any civilian authority to channel the blood-blind rage demanding revenge and Change.

 

[Queen Titania]

Many of the most brilliantly violent Americans earn their living in the various branches of the military, and some of their leaders are convinced the earth is facing its Sixth Great Extinction as a consequence of global climate change. When FDR launched the original New Deal during the Great Depression he relied on the US military for key input. A Green New Deal 2.0 capable of putting millions of unemployed Americans (from Cancun to Canada) back to work building 21st century infrastructure won't happen if the hired killers in the Pentagon aren't behind it. Americans living in the US today, unlike those alive at the time of the Great Depression, have no conception of how the rich ruin their lives and the lives of their children. If that ever changes, it may well be beyond the power of any civilian authority to channel the blood-blind rage demanding revenge and Change.

They seems to be upping the number of these fake 'mass shootings', as they stage more and more of them in places 'near you' more people will begin to realize they are hoaxes and that will do it --- Bur whilst we are comfy in front of our TVs we shall not be 'pro active' --- we will just keep complaining and moaning, don't you think?

I'm away for the weekend, have a nice one xxx see ya next week.

 

[georgephillip]

They seems to be upping the number of these fake 'mass shootings', as they stage more and more of them in places 'near you' more people will begin to realize they are hoaxes and that will do it --- Bur whilst we are comfy in front of our TVs we shall not be 'pro active' --- we will just keep complaining and moaning, don't you think?

I'm away for the weekend, have a nice one xxx see ya next week.

I'm thinking the internet could make their corporate lies suicidal; in 1967 Israel attacked the USS Liberty in international waters killing 34 Americans. TPTB were able to cover up that crime by telling survivors they would face prison or worse if they told what happened. Had Wikileaks and the internet been around at that time, President Lyndon Johnson would have had a much bigger problem than Vietnam to worry about. It's only a matter of time before another Liberty (or 911) blows up in their faces, and they will face a population unwilling to accept the same old partisan spin. Then maybe we will all fire the next shot heard 'round the world?

 

[Queen Titania]

I'm thinking the internet could make their corporate lies suicidal; in 1967 Israel attacked the USS Liberty in international waters killing 34 Americans. TPTB were able to cover up that crime by telling survivors they would face prison or worse if they told what happened. Had Wikileaks and the internet been around at that time, President Lyndon Johnson would have had a much bigger problem than Vietnam to worry about. It's only a matter of time before another Liberty (or 911) blows up in their faces, and they will face a population unwilling to accept the same old partisan spin. Then maybe we will all fire the next shot heard 'round the world?

This now is a different phenomenon --- they are mostly completely faked, what is astounding to me is that people believe such bad fakes just because it is on the 'News'. Every one! From any political pov, they have us in terror by making a few really shitty films showing us some ridiculously fake 'mad lone gun men': what about that one with the red wig and the impossible staring eyes? After people swallowed that one I just gave up, knowing we were lost: fake blood, fake videos, fake gun men, fake grief, no death certs, from 9/11 on, no death certs ---

It all works on the emotive ---

 

[georgephillip]

This now is a different phenomenon --- they are mostly completely faked, what is astounding to me is that people believe such bad fakes just because it is on the 'News'. Every one! From any political pov, they have us in terror by making a few really shitty films showing us some ridiculously fake 'mad lone gun men': what about that one with the red wig and the impossible staring eyes? After people swallowed that one I just gave up, knowing we were lost: fake blood, fake videos, fake gun men, fake grief, no death certs, from 9/11 on, no death certs ---

It all works on the emotive ---

I might have missed the red wig and the impossible staring eyes; do you have a link? I'm more concerned with events like the April 2013 Boston Marathon attack which killed 3 and wounded about 264 others. On the same day multiple bombs exploded outside Iraqi polling facilities, killing 12 times as many civilians. Since that day, I've worried about what would happen if similar attacks ever marred US elections? I suspect those who get rich from war would initially benefit regardless of whether IS or the CIA was responsible for the bombs

 

[Queen Titania]

I might have missed the red wig and the impossible staring eyes; do you have a link? I'm more concerned with events like the April 2013 Boston Marathon attack which killed 3 and wounded about 264 others. On the same day multiple bombs exploded outside Iraqi polling facilities, killing 12 times as many civilians. Since that day, I've worried about what would happen if similar attacks ever marred US elections? I suspect those who get rich from war would initially benefit regardless of whether IS or the CIA was responsible for the bombs

The 'red wig' was the Cinema shooting hoax wasn't it? There was no bomb at Boston, more badly staged a hoax isn't possible --- oh, I lie, the Holly what'sit school one was even more ridiculous --- The one here outside an Army barracks and 1 min from the largest British Police armed unit, was pathetic too but --- It was on the News so people believe it - hook line and stinking sinker.

How do we know there were bombs in Iraq or anywhere else? Some ring true others we can't possibly know for sure one way or the other, we have no real info to go on, just statements ---

Yup they always stage them, when they do, for specific reasons ----

That people are not killed in most of these Hoaxes is not to say murder is not beyond the capability of PtB for eg I think the inside jobs of Secret Service bombs which were blamed on the IRA and Mossads bombs blaming Islam in Britain did kill people but 9/11 killed no one --- we were shown a movie as empty buildings with piped smoke billowing out were pulled.

They want people to be fearful, they want people to stay at home, they don't want us voting and or meeting in public --- they being whom?

 

[georgephillip]

That people are not killed in most of these Hoaxes is not to say murder is not beyond the capability of PtB for eg I think the inside jobs of Secret Service bombs which were blamed on the IRA and Mossads bombs blaming Islam in Britain did kill people but 9/11 killed no one --- we were shown a movie as empty buildings with piped smoke billowing out were pulled.

911 killed no one???

"A new study says firefighters who toiled in the wreckage of the World Trade Center in 2001 were 19 percent more likely to develop cancer than those who were not there, the strongest evidence to date of a possible link between work at ground zero and cancer.

"The study, published Thursday in the British medical journal The Lancet, included almost 10,000 New York City firefighters, most of whom were exposed to the caustic dust and smoke created by the fall of the twin towers.

"The findings indicate an 'increased likelihood for the development of any type of cancer,' said Dr. David J. Prezant, the chief medical officer for the New York Fire Department, who led the study.

"But he said the results were far from conclusive. 'This is not an epidemic,' he said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/health/research/02cancer.html?_r=2&ref=nyregion

 

[Queen Titania]

911 killed no one???

"A new study says firefighters who toiled in the wreckage of the World Trade Center in 2001 were 19 percent more likely to develop cancer than those who were not there, the strongest evidence to date of a possible link between work at ground zero and cancer.

"The study, published Thursday in the British medical journal The Lancet, included almost 10,000 New York City firefighters, most of whom were exposed to the caustic dust and smoke created by the fall of the twin towers.

"The findings indicate an 'increased likelihood for the development of any type of cancer,' said Dr. David J. Prezant, the chief medical officer for the New York Fire Department, who led the study.

"But he said the results were far from conclusive. 'This is not an epidemic,' he said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/health/research/02cancer.html?_r=2&ref=nyregion

Asbestos poisoning --- yup, that is why the 'pulls' were blamed on terrorists, far too expensive to do it properly.

 

[georgephillip]

Asbestos poisoning --- yup, that is why the 'pulls' were blamed on terrorists, far too expensive to do it properly.

Did Vlad Know?

"During the September 11 attacks, 2,996 people were killed: 2,977 victims and 19 of the perpetrators.[1] These immediate deaths included 246 victims on the four planes, 2,606 victims inside the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 victims at the Pentagon.[2][3] The event on September 11, 2001, was the deadliest terrorist attack in world history and the most devastating foreign attack on American soil ever."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks

 

[Queen Titania]

Did Vlad Know?

"During the September 11 attacks, 2,996 people were killed: 2,977 victims and 19 of the perpetrators.[1] These immediate deaths included 246 victims on the four planes, 2,606 victims inside the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 victims at the Pentagon.[2][3] The event on September 11, 2001, was the deadliest terrorist attack in world history and the most devastating foreign attack on American soil ever."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks

What has Putin got to do with it?

I don't argue these things any more --- just sew a seed of doubt, the rest is a personal journey for all of us.

http://cluesforum.info/

 

[georgephillip]

What has Putin got to do with it?

I don't argue these things any more --- just sew a seed of doubt, the rest is a personal journey for all of us.

http://cluesforum.info/

I understand why someone would be suspicious of what their government has to say about "terrorism." Doubt is a necessary ingredient in all our personal journeys.