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Glow Ball Warming: Famous Scientists Who Went Against the Consensus

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Think of a famous scientist and you'll think of a brave soul who ran exactly against the "consensus" of the time.

Einstein: Relativity vs. the consensus of Newtonian Gravitation
Galileo: Copernican Heliocentric theory vs. Geocentric theory (some might call it "dogma")
Darwin: Natural Selection vs. Transmutation of Species
Pasteur: Germ Theory vs. Spontaneous Generation
Planck, Heisenberg, Schrodinger, Feynman etc.: Quantum Mechanics vs. Continuum Mechanics

There are many more. In fact, it is in the nature of science and scientists to go against the consensus. So when ever these global warming frauds and buffoons point a bony finger and accuse real scientists of denying science and going against the consensus I just say, "Meh. So what else is new? It's their JOB to go against the consensus! It's what they DO!"

The fact that the global warmmongers haven't caught on to that only shows how disconnected from science they really are.

 
Think of a famous scientist and you'll think of a brave soul who ran exactly against the "consensus" of the time.

Einstein: Relativity vs. the consensus of Newtonian Gravitation
Galileo: Copernican Heliocentric theory vs. Geocentric theory (some might call it "dogma")
Darwin: Natural Selection vs. Transmutation of Species
Pasteur: Germ Theory vs. Spontaneous Generation
Planck, Heisenberg, Schrodinger, Feynman etc.: Quantum Mechanics vs. Continuum Mechanics

There are many more. In fact, it is in the nature of science and scientists to go against the consensus. So when ever these global warming frauds and buffoons point a bony finger and accuse real scientists of denying science and going against the consensus I just say, "Meh. So what else is new? It's their JOB to go against the consensus! It's what they DO!"

The fact that the global warmmongers haven't caught on to that only shows how disconnected from science they really are.

Best pro-science line:

When reading the letter from 100 scientists who came out against Relativity, Einstein replied, "Why a hundred when one would have sufficed?"
 
What about the people who are actually on the ground doing the day to day observations.


More Than 90 Scientists Release Report That Arctic Is ‘Unraveling’

The Arctic has been warming twice as fast as the rest of the planet for the past 50 years

The National Snow and Ice Center reported that Arctic sea ice in March 2017 was the lowest it has ever been for the month of March since satellites began recording sea ice extent 38 years ago. NASA noted that between 1976 and 1996 average sea ice loss in the Arctic was 8,300 square miles per year. Between 1996 and 2013, this number more than doubled to 19,500 square miles per year.“

The Arctic Ocean could be largely free of sea ice in summer as early as the late 2030s, only two decades from now,” the Snow, Water, Ice, Permafrost report found, which is the latest assessment conducted by the Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Program. “

The recent recognition of additional melt processes affecting Arctic and Antarctic glaciers, ice caps and ice sheets suggests that low-end projections of global sea-level rise made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are underestimated.” The report cited that—best case scenario—sea levels will rise minimum almost two feet if reduction goals outlined in the Paris Climate Change Agreement are met.

http://observer.com/2017/05/scientists-release-climate-change-report-artic-region-unraveling/
 
Think of a famous scientist and you'll think of a brave soul who ran exactly against the "consensus" of the time.

I've got no issue with genuine scientists who go against the consensus on global warming, or any other issue, if they do so based on evidence and rational analysis, and they're open to being wrong if it turns out their contrarianism doesn't line up with the facts.

For example, there was a point not so long ago when quite a few good scientists were speculating that the apparent instrument record of global warming was just an artifact of growing "heat islands" that were causing localized warming of some of the thermometers in newly urban areas. That was an imaginative attack on the consensus, and they should be praised for it, because those kinds of challenges are an important part of how false consensuses are brought down and true consensuses are further underscored.

Their speculation could be tested. For example, you could re-compile the data using only the very best sites -- sites where growing heat islands couldn't be the problem. Then you could compare the pristine-site data with the data from all the sites, and see if there was a meaningful difference.

Scientists did exactly that, in response to that criticism. They recrunched the numbers for the US, using only the best sites, creating a "reference network" of the pristine sites, against which to compare the historical network's data, which had the possible heat-island artifacts. It turns out that the pristine-site data and the overall data matched up almost exactly:

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So, at least in the US, the speculated impact of heat island growth didn't end up being a thing.

Since that's just the US, one might wonder whether it's something odd about this country, and growing heat islands elsewhere account for observed warming there. This has been tested in various places, including the the UK and Austria. The following graphs show temp trends in various locations over time:

jones_london.gif

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What you'll see is that the urban areas are warmer in absolute terms, as expected, but each area, urban or rural, follows the same regional warming pattern over time. This isn't what we'd expect to see if apparent warming were just a result of cities growing into former rural areas. It's what we'd expect if there were real warming that was hitting both urban and rural areas.

Yet, still there were questions about whether that impact would show up in places like China, where cities were growing incredibly quickly, so that the heat island growth would be the biggest. Turns out, no:

jones_china.gif


Again, there just aren't big enough differences between the different data sets to account for the warming trend, or even any significant part of it. Whether you're measuring urban or rural, pristine sites or all the data, US, UK, Austria, or China, you get the same basic pattern in each location.

The point here is that there was nothing wrong with scientists trying to undermine the consensus with speculation about growing heat islands. That was a valuable part of the scientific process. They asserted an alternate, testable theory about what was happening, and that's a good thing. Then scientists went out and performed the tests to see if they were right, and it turns out they weren't. No shame in that. What would be shameful is if people clung to that explanation even after it became crystal clear that none of the data looks the way it would if the explanation were right. Then it wouldn't look like genuine scientists honestly seeking alternate explanations -- it would, instead, look like denialists closing their eyes to evidence because they want the answer to come out a certain way.

As time has gone on, the consensus has broadened and deepened, as to its basic ideas. It has done so because of the kind of work I explained above -- competing ideas keep getting brought up, tested, and discarded, thanks to the data. Maybe someday that will change, and someone will come up with a competing theory that explains the available data even better than the current consensus theory does. And then the consensus will start to change. But, for now, we're not there. Where we are is a place where lay people like you and me have a choice. We can start to guide public policy with a working assumption the vast majority of experts are mostly right. Or we can refuse to do so, because we find it more emotionally appealing to assume they're wrong.

For my part, I favor letting the science guide policy. I think that societies that are in the habit of allowing strong and enduring scientific consensuses guide policies end up right a lot more often than they're wrong, and they come out ahead in that process. I think societies that go the other way (e.g., South Africa embracing HIV denialism, or the Soviet Union embracing Lysenkoism) tend to suffer for it. So, until something better comes along, I advocate setting public policy with the expectation that the consensus scientists are right. We don't have to be married to that notion, but it should guide our actions until something better comes along.
 
I was beginning to warm up to the string theory - 11 dimensions, and subatomic particles vibrating at various frequencies that give each subatomic particle its unique attributes.

until I started to read about multiverses, 'brane theory, and how 99% of the material at the big bang was annihilated, and the <1% left over after matter/antimatter annihiliation is all "ordinary matter" residue.

these make principia mathematica (newton) a more practical approach to how the universe works, in daily ways that matter to us.

by the way, Stephen hawking says must immediately find a second earth, and populate it. He's either the smartest guy in the world, or the most absurd, depending on your relationship with those you encounter on a daily basis.
 
I was beginning to warm up to the string theory - 11 dimensions, and subatomic particles vibrating at various frequencies that give each subatomic particle its unique attributes.

until I started to read about multiverses, 'brane theory, and how 99% of the material at the big bang was annihilated, and the <1% left over after matter/antimatter annihiliation is all "ordinary matter" residue.

these make principia mathematica (newton) a more practical approach to how the universe works, in daily ways that matter to us.

by the way, Stephen hawking says must immediately find a second earth, and populate it. He's either the smartest guy in the world, or the most absurd, depending on your relationship with those you encounter on a daily basis.
The real problem with (super) string theory is that it is not and probably never will be testable. With the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle effectively drawing a veil over anything smaller than a proton it's difficult to see how anything as small as a superstring loop will be produced or even conjectured in the largest accelerators theoretically possible. With that constraint the best anyone can do is point to the math and say, "Well. . .the math looks good."

But when has that ever been sufficient?

In physics the answer is, "Never." Global warmmongers should consider that answer when evaluating their weather models and comparing that to their predictions made 10 years ago.
 
What about the people who are actually on the ground doing the day to day observations.


More Than 90 Scientists Release Report That Arctic Is ‘Unraveling’

The Arctic has been warming twice as fast as the rest of the planet for the past 50 years

The National Snow and Ice Center reported that Arctic sea ice in March 2017 was the lowest it has ever been for the month of March since satellites began recording sea ice extent 38 years ago. NASA noted that between 1976 and 1996 average sea ice loss in the Arctic was 8,300 square miles per year. Between 1996 and 2013, this number more than doubled to 19,500 square miles per year.“

The Arctic Ocean could be largely free of sea ice in summer as early as the late 2030s, only two decades from now,” the Snow, Water, Ice, Permafrost report found, which is the latest assessment conducted by the Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Program. “

The recent recognition of additional melt processes affecting Arctic and Antarctic glaciers, ice caps and ice sheets suggests that low-end projections of global sea-level rise made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are underestimated.” The report cited that—best case scenario—sea levels will rise minimum almost two feet if reduction goals outlined in the Paris Climate Change Agreement are met.

http://observer.com/2017/05/scientists-release-climate-change-report-artic-region-unraveling/
So you didn't watch the video. Okay. You should watch it.
 
47 minutes ?

Seriously ?

You owe posters a detailed plot summary before you ask for that kind of investment in your post.
So you're lazy but expect everyone else including scientists to sit through your political propaganda.

Not very scientific of you.
 
So you're lazy but expect everyone else including scientists to sit through your political propaganda.

Not very scientific of you.

I do not expect you to spend 47 minutes reading my post or watching a single video.

I don't even post entire articles because its too much to ask.
 
I do not expect you to spend 47 minutes reading my post or watching a single video.

I don't even post entire articles because its too much to ask.
It's the scientist/founder of Green Peace. You'd think he might have something enlightening for warmmongers.

But if you're too smart for that you may be excused from the debate.
 
It's the scientist/founder of Green Peace. You'd think he might have something enlightening for warmmongers.

But if you're too smart for that you may be excused from the debate.

Here's the thing. If there was a conspiracy by scientist to fake the data. Why in the world is someone not ratting them out. This is like the fake moon landing claim. Thousand and thousand of people worked on the so called fraud but not a single one of them has come forward to report it.

Are you telling me there isn't a single disgruntled employee over all of the years this has been debated who doesn't wants some payback. All of these crooks yet every single one of them is loyal to the cause.

Use some common sense.
 
The real problem with (super) string theory is that it is not and probably never will be testable. With the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle effectively drawing a veil over anything smaller than a proton it's difficult to see how anything as small as a superstring loop will be produced or even conjectured in the largest accelerators theoretically possible. With that constraint the best anyone can do is point to the math and say, "Well. . .the math looks good."

But when has that ever been sufficient?

In physics the answer is, "Never." Global warmmongers should consider that answer when evaluating their weather models and comparing that to their predictions made 10 years ago.
With science, the results are ultimately what matter. If you produce a lovely theory but by its nature it isn't testable, that's not science. However, I'm not as skeptical about the ultimate testability of string theory. I'm guessing that eventually some brilliant physicist will come up with an experiment that, although unable to measure anything at the individual loop level, will come out one way at a larger scale if the theory is right, and another way if it's wrong.

Just as a really rough analogy, imagine you were trying to measure the mass of a grain of sand with a balance where you only have one-kilogram units to set on the other side. You can't measure just one grain. But you could measure how many grains it takes to balance a kilo, and then divide. If they were all roughly the same size, you'd have a pretty good estimate of th mass of each grain.

Similarly, even if you can't ever measure one loop, maybe you could devise a way to measure a billion of them. That wouldn't violate uncertainty, because you don't know what any one of them is doing as more than just a statistical probability, but the sum of those probabilities can be measured meaningfully.

As for climate modeling, I think the scientists are extremely aware of the problem with modeling with any precision. That's why you'll see, in reports like those of the IPCC, which express various levels of confidence about various ideas, they report high degrees of confidence about some big picture things (e.g., the earth is going to get warmer over the next 50 years, with an accelerating rate of warming), but a low degree when it comes to the fine-tuned stuff (e.g., will winters be drier in Siberia?) Thus far, their big-picture predictions have been very strong -- just as the majority of experts have been predicting since the seventies, temps keep rising, and the rate of increase is growing. But, their finer-tuned predictions have been hit or miss (the rapid retreat of ice in the Arctic has been happening, but there's been little change in the Antarctic).
 
Here's the thing. If there was a conspiracy by scientist to fake the data. Why in the world is someone not ratting them out. This is like the fake moon landing claim. Thousand and thousand of people worked on the so called fraud but not a single one of them has come forward to report it.

Are you telling me there isn't a single disgruntled employee over all of the years this has been debated who doesn't wants some payback. All of these crooks yet every single one of them is loyal to the cause.

Use some common sense.

When people like you harass, "dox", and threaten to murder "denialists", it makes for a hostile whistle-blowing environment.
 
Not everyone is a pussy marv. Quit using your personal standard to judge others.

There are a few people in the world who are probably willing to be murdered by left-wing terrorists over their political views, as you AGW jihadis have threatened, but my point is there aren't many of them.
 
There are a few people in the world who are probably willing to be murdered by left-wing terrorists over their political views, as you AGW jihadis have threatened, but my point is there aren't many of them.

Political ? This is science. Something they have supposedly devoted their lives to exploring. Yet they are all going to collude in lying about it ? You are full of wild fantasies and paranoia. But that's exactly what GOP'ers depend on to keep you people on that plantation.
 
Here's the thing. If there was a conspiracy by scientist to fake the data. Why in the world is someone not ratting them out.
So you haven't seen the video. The video has a rat in it.

This is like the fake moon landing claim.

Nope. It's simple really. Money propagates the lie. Truthful scientists don't get money, don't get platforms.

Put your critical thinking hat on and answer this: When is the last time you heard Patrick Moore say anything about anything? Now compare that to the last time you heard Bill Nye say something about global warming.

You need to break through this silly little shell that you and other people have formed that dictates to you that conspiracies are few and far between. They're not all real but they're also not nearly as fragile as you take them to be.

Are you telling me there isn't a single disgruntled employee over all of the years this has been debated who doesn't wants some payback. All of these crooks yet every single one of them is loyal to the cause.

Use some common sense.

You looking for a "disgruntled employee?" Watch the video. Oh that's right! You don't have time for it.

See, this is how it works. This is how the so called "conspiracy" lives. Funny thing is you help keep it alive.
 
Political ? This is science. Something they have supposedly devoted their lives to exploring. Yet they are all going to collude in lying about it ? You are full of wild fantasies and paranoia. But that's exactly what GOP'ers depend on to keep you people on that plantation.

Yes, it's political. And it's not collusion keeping the whistle-blowers quiet. It's fear of your fellow AGW jihadis who harass, dox, and threaten to murder "deniers".
 
With science, the results are ultimately what matter. If you produce a lovely theory but by its nature it isn't testable, that's not science.
And so ends your support of Anthropogenic Global Warming! Thank you. . .and good night!
 
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