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Government and freedom are....

freyasman

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mortal enemies, and they always will be.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/24/hbos-chernobyl-drives-home-deadly-perils-statism/
From the link;
"Taken out of the realm of theory and into the real world, Hobbes’s leviathan becomes so singularly focused on maintaining order that its highly regimented society is governed entirely through fear. Throughout “Chernobyl” we see fear of the state repeatedly drive good, smart men to doubt their instincts and follow nonsensical orders. Whether the Soviet Union, Mao Zedong’s China, or Kim Jong-Un’s North Korea, the results have been the same.

The nationality of the government leviathan is irrelevant—the size and control wielded by the statist monster is the ultimate issue. A theoretical North Korean response to a similar disaster as the one featured in “Chernobyl” is eminently predictable. Lies, obfuscation, and misinformation would abound. Outside help and assistance would be rejected, worsening the crisis. Those who would truthfully speak of the dire nature of the catastrophe would be suppressed, or worse. Like with Chernobyl, the blame would constantly shift, further clouding the truth.

The few North Korean scientists with the requisite knowledge to assess the situation would be ignored or silenced if the results weren’t what government officials wanted to hear. Many would understandably remain quiet to prevent reprisals against their family and loved ones. The more authority the government possesses, the harder it is to effectively fight back.

In a statist society, fear has a lot in common with radiation—it seeps into every crack of life. And like radiation, fear is a slow, painful killer. Bold heroes like Legasov are the exception in statist regimes, not the rule. When faced with the terrifying, omnipotent power of a leviathan like the U.S.S.R., resisting the state is difficult at best and a death sentence at worst."
 
Oh fun... the social contract.

You give up freedom to gain the benefits of living in a civilized society. Do not ignore the benefits you gain from submitting to governance.

Also the Chernobyl miniseries is really good(don't spoil last night, I have it DVR'ed for tonight)
 
Oh fun... the social contract.

You give up freedom to gain the benefits of living in a civilized society. Do not ignore the benefits you gain from submitting to governance.

Also the Chernobyl miniseries is really good(don't spoil last night, I have it DVR'ed for tonight)
Show me this "social contract" please..... because I don't remember anyone ever asking me to sign it.

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It's a philosphy
"Thomas Hobbes famously said that in a "state of nature", human life would be "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short". In the absence of political order and law, everyone would have unlimited natural freedoms, including the "right to all things" and thus the freedom to plunder, rape and murder; there would be an endless "war of all against all" (bellum omnium contra omnes). To avoid this, free men contract with each other to establish political community (civil society) through a social contract in which they all gain security in return for subjecting themselves to an absolute sovereign, one man or an assembly of men."

If we were truly living in our free-est state it would look like Somalia. Warlords would do as they please... rape, murder, etc. It would be a terrible for the 99.9% of the population.

But we give up freedoms to gain the benefits of civilized society. We lose the freedom to rape and murder but we gain the gain security and cooperation of others.
 
Oh fun... the social contract.

You give up freedom to gain the benefits of living in a civilized society. Do not ignore the benefits you gain from submitting to governance.

Also the Chernobyl miniseries is really good(don't spoil last night, I have it DVR'ed for tonight)
I don't choose to take care of you go fvck yourself if you think I am obligated to
 
It's a philosphy
"Thomas Hobbes famously said that in a "state of nature", human life would be "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short". In the absence of political order and law, everyone would have unlimited natural freedoms, including the "right to all things" and thus the freedom to plunder, rape and murder; there would be an endless "war of all against all" (bellum omnium contra omnes). To avoid this, free men contract with each other to establish political community (civil society) through a social contract in which they all gain security in return for subjecting themselves to an absolute sovereign, one man or an assembly of men."

If we were truly living in our free-est state it would look like Somalia. Warlords would do as they please... rape, murder, etc. It would be a terrible for the 99.9% of the population.

But we give up freedoms to gain the benefits of civilized society. We lose the freedom to rape and murder but we gain the gain security and cooperation of others.
"free men contract with each other to establish political community (civil society) through a social contract"; is this voluntary? Or is it forced upon us by the government?
And if it's not voluntary, then how is this any different than the warlords?

And Somalia is not at all free.... people who pull that example out of their ass are simple minded fools.
 
So they are products of a system that was set up before I was born, and that I was never given any choice about.... got it.

Warlords.
You make a fair point, but you do have a choice, you can always choose to rise up and fight the power. Either through political or violent means. I don't think you would be successful, but success is never guaranteed.
 
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