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GUN CONTROL
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Give that kid a medal! Oh and give his mom a medal too for properly training him on the proper use of firearms. What a wonderful story.
Oh and the kid being just 13, I say we give him a pass on not killing the second thug.
Oh and the kid being just 13, I say we give him a pass on not killing the second thug.
remember, Θ is letting many like Lamar out of prison early...............
D
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Good point... maybe Obama will prosecute this kid instead for violating the thugs' civil rights.
"Executive Action".
Meanwhile......
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...utive-powers-to-tighten-gun-control-laws.html
Republican presidential candidates are attacking President Obama’s plan to use his Oval Office powers to try to tighten gun-control laws, arguing his efforts are “unconstitutional” and another attempt to sidestep Congress.
"We're not changing the Second Amendment," front-running Donald Trump said Saturday at a campaign rally in Biloxi, Miss. "I will veto that. I will un-sign that so fast."
Obama said over the weekend that he’ll meet Monday with Attorney General Loretta Lynch to discuss his options on tightening federal firearms laws to reduce gun violence, after instructing his White House team several months ago to look at what type of “action” he could take.
“The president is a petulant child,” GOP candidate New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie told “Fox News Sunday.” “Whenever he doesn’t get what he wants, … this president acts like a king.”
Obama purportedly will use executive action to require small-scale gun sellers to order background checks on prospective buyers and tighten laws for gun sales to those who have committed domestic-abuse offenses.
“The president has a pattern of taking away rights of citizens,” GOP candidate and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush told “Fox News Sunday.”
Bush also suggested that he didn’t object in principle to keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, but that he is wary of how far-reaching and burdensome the proposed changes might be on small-scale gun sellers.
“How do you know?” he asked. “The better approach would be to punish people who violate federal gun laws. … If it’s such a great idea let (Obama) go to Congress.”
The president tried unsuccessfully in the aftermath of the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook elementary school, in Newtown, Conn., to get Congress to pass comprehensive gun control legislation.
The National Rifle Association, which opposed that plan, also opposes the new plan, calling it a “political stunt.”
Christie and others point out that Obama last year tried to use executive action to allow illegal immigrants to remain in the United States and work. However, a federal appeals court has temporarily stopped that action, pending a final ruling.
“I’m sure (the gun executive action) will get stopped by the courts,” Christie also said Sunday.
Trump, a billionaire businessman, on Sunday told CBS’s “Face the Nation” that if elected he would use the same executive powers to repeal Obama’s likely new executive orders on gun control.
“The one thing good about executive orders: The new president, if he comes in -- boom, first day, first hour, first minute, you can rescind that,” he said.
GOP candidate Carly Fiorina told CNN’s “State of the Union” that Obama “has been a lawless president” in his use of executive orders.
“It is delusional, dangerous, not to mention unconstitutional,” she said. “We have long lists of criminals who own guns, who routinely purchase guns. We know who these people are, and we are not prosecuting any of them.”
The three Democratic presidential candidates -- Hillary Clinton, former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders -- support tighter gun control.
Sander told ABC's “This Week” he wished Obama could get bipartisan congressional support but that he supports the president’s renewed efforts.
“There is a wide consensus. (The) overwhelming majority of the American people believe we should expand and strengthen the instant background checks,” he said. “I think that's what the president is trying to do, and I think that will be the right thing to do.”
Sanders also said he supports more background check, which would likely help close what gun-control advocates call the “gun show loophole" as well as strong measures to keep criminals and people with mental health issues from owning firearms.
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Nice, another shuck and jive from Obama. Of course, this is all about disarming the American people. Only a fool would believe a wannabe despot like Obama cares about gun violence.
He'll just look stupid when SCOTUS overturns it....if a Republican President doesn't beat them to it.
American Patriot
Mayor
Obama is surrounded with people with guns 24/7. His executive action will be illegal and unconstitutional. In fact many in law enforcement say they will not enforce his new laws. Obama cannot write nor pass laws that is beyond his authority only Congress has that power. But as always and as he has done before he rules this nation like he thinks he is a King and not a president.
If Obama's armed security was removed he would most assuredly be assassinated very quickly. Obama and many on the far left want to seize all the guns as they mistakenly believe that this would end gun violence. It would not it would actually escalate gun crimes as only criminals and terrorists would then have firearms at their disposal.
Obama and the far left live in a fantasy, a delusional world of make believe. Where their perception of reality is how they wish it to be, not how it actually is. Obama will be gone soon and his reign of destruction on our country will finally be finished. His legacy will be one that no president in our history would welcome. Much of what he has enacted will be undone and his landmark legislation will be repealed. In other words his presidency will be shamed with the fact that he was an incompetent and dysfunctional leader who was not only miss guided but also miss directed in his legislative approaches.
American Patriot
Mayor
American Patriot
Mayor
Our Founding Fathers knew and understood that the people of this country needed to be able to protect their liberty and their freedom. They fully recognized the rights of all Americans to keep and bear arms. I am not advocating the overthrow of our government but I am saying that law abiding citizens rights to arms should never be infringed upon for any reason.
The far left is now attempting to do just that. They will fail because the Constitution is very clear and our laws dictate what can and cannot be done to the rights of citizens of this nation. If in fact the existing gun control laws were followed this political power grab for more gun control would not even be happening at all.
Many of Obama's so called solutions are not solutions at all. But they are in fact miss guided political attempts at stripping us all of our rights as Americans. This is merely an attempt at more control and political over reach. Obama and the far left are now walking in dangerous territory, they are involving millions of law abiding Americans rights to arms. Our rights of Liberty and Freedom, our rights to keep and bear arms are fundamental and fixed in our Constitution.
Don't Tread on Me
The far left is now attempting to do just that. They will fail because the Constitution is very clear and our laws dictate what can and cannot be done to the rights of citizens of this nation. If in fact the existing gun control laws were followed this political power grab for more gun control would not even be happening at all.
Many of Obama's so called solutions are not solutions at all. But they are in fact miss guided political attempts at stripping us all of our rights as Americans. This is merely an attempt at more control and political over reach. Obama and the far left are now walking in dangerous territory, they are involving millions of law abiding Americans rights to arms. Our rights of Liberty and Freedom, our rights to keep and bear arms are fundamental and fixed in our Constitution.
Don't Tread on Me
Agreed. I don't buy the argument Obama is a Muslim seeking to destroy the United States, but clearly the Democratic Party, with Obama in the lead, are seeking to change our government into a more authoritarian entity "for our own good". They are enamored with the idea of elitist experts telling others what to do. This began with WWII when elite experts were assembled to design and build weaponry to defeat the [Unwelcome language removed] Nazis and Japanese, but JFK built on that in several ways, primarily with NASA in the race to the Moon.
Over sixty years later the idea has grown among Democrats that only the elite should rule (since they know best) and the rest of us should just STFU and accept it. Well, we don't accept it, hence the controversy.
American Patriot
Mayor
You are right on target. These attempts at disarming the populous has been tried before. In Nazi Germany all weapons were seized from the citizens there. The Nazi's knew that by taking the guns political civil disobedience would be nearly impossible. They were successful in their actions and subsequently millions were murdered in concentration camps. Not just Jews mind you, political dissidents as well as those perceived to be a threat to the Nazi regime.
Obama and the democrats somehow believe they know what is best for all of us. They have proven that they have little to no regard for our Constitution nor many of the laws of this nation. The practice of selective justice and political control is exactly what a tyranny is all about. Strip the citizens of their rights and take away their Liberty and you now control their freedom.
These masked attempts at controlling guns is illegal and unconstitutional. We as a people must demand that our rights not be infringed upon by any political faction.
Emily
NSDAP Kanzler
Yes!
Yes!
Sorry, no ...
' A common belief among defenders of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is that the National Socialist government of Germany under Adolf Hitler did not permit the private ownership of firearms. Totalitarian governments, they have been taught in their high school civics classes, do not trust their citizens and do not dare permit them to keep firearms. Thus, one often hears the statement, “You know, the first thing the Nazis did when they came to power was outlaw firearms,” or, “The first thing Hitler did in Germany was round up all the guns.”
'Unfortunately for those who would like to link Hitler and the National Socialists with gun control, the entire premise for such an effort is false. German firearms legislation under Hitler, far from banning private ownership, actually facilitated the keeping and bearing of arms by German citizens by eliminating or ameliorating restrictive laws which had been enacted by the government preceding his... It is not just that the National Socialist firearms legislation was the opposite of what it has been claimed to have been by persons who want to tar modern gun-grabbers with the “Nazi” brush: the whole spirit of Hitler’s government was starkly different from its portrayal by America’s mass media.
- 'Gun registration and licensing (for long guns as well as for handguns) were legislated by an anti-National Socialist government in Germany in 1928, five years before the National Socialists gained power. Hitler became Chancellor on January 30, 1933. Five years later his government got around to rewriting the gun law enacted a decade earlier by his predecessors, substantially ameliorating it in the process (for example, long guns were exempted from the requirement for a purchase permit; the legal age for gun ownership was lowered from 20 to 18 years; the period of validity of a permit to carry weapons was extended from one to three years; and provisions restricting the amount of ammunition or the number of firearms an individual could own were dropped). Hitler’s government may be criticized for leaving certain restrictions and licensing requirements in the law but the National Socialists had no intention of preventing law-abiding Germans from keeping or bearing arms. Again, the firearms law enacted by Hitler’s government enhanced the rights of Germans to keep and bear arms; no new restrictions were added, and many pre-existing restrictions were relaxed or eliminated.'
"As in Weimar Germany, some well-meaning people today advocate severe restrictions, including bans and registration, on gun ownership by law-abiding persons. Such proponents are in no sense “Nazis,” any more than were the Weimar officials who promoted similar restrictions."
From: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook
American Patriot
Mayor
I stand corrected. None the less, attempts by Obama or the far left to control guns or gun ownership is unconstitutional and illegal. Laws now exist on the books that control guns. Let me give you a real world example, when I applied for my concealed carry permit. I first had to attend mandatory training. This class taught gun safety, the laws pertaining to carrying a personal firearm, actually firing a pistol at a range under supervision, in addition we were taught when and where it was legal for anyone to carry a firearm. Then you must pass a written examination. If you pass you are issued a certificate proving you have completed this training. Next you must apply for the permit, this involves many forms as well as finger printing and a very extensive back ground check. This check is done nation wide and includes checks to insure you not only have never been arrested but also that you are mentally competent and that you do not abuse alcohol nor drugs. You must present your certificate of training and if you are a veteran you must also provide a copy of your DD-214 form proving you were Honorably Discharged. You must have been honorably discharged as no other discharge is acceptable for your permit. Then you must wait 90 days for the issue of your permit, your permit must be renewed every five years. It is a lengthy and extensive process and then your information is shared nation wide so anywhere you go law enforcement knows you hold a concealed carry permit and you may potentially be armed.
I was informed by the local Sheriffs department that when they run your license that they will see you hold a concealed carry permit. But the officer also told me that they know permit holders are law abiding citizens and pose no threat to them or others. They are considered to be model citizens and overall good people. Law enforcement knows what a citizen goes through to get one of these permits and they know you are sane and not a criminal.
Every person in my state that buys any type of firearm must get a permit for that firearm and pass a background check before they can possess it. Not as extensive as the concealed carry back ground check but none the less they are checked. It is my opinion that guns are not and have never been the issue. The real issue is who has these guns.
Federal Government wants more than just GUNS, for the rest of the story on the Ranchers:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com...uge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/
Art. 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the Constitution of the United States
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/02/06/greenslade.htm
http://theconservativetreehouse.com...uge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/
Art. 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the Constitution of the United States
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/02/06/greenslade.htm
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