Guns

[American Patriot]

Guns:

Guns are used to protect our president.
Guns are used to protect money in most banks.
Guns are used to defend and protect our country.
Guns are used to protect valuable art in many museums in the world.
Guns are used by air marshals to protect us from hijackers.
Guns are used by most police officers to protect and enforce our laws.
Guns are used in courts of law to insure peaceful proceedings.
Guns are used by some high end jewelry stores to protect their products.
Guns are used to protect military installations around the world.
Guns are even used to protect the Pope.

Guns are not the problem, people committing crimes with guns is the problem.
Guns do not kill, people with guns kill.

Taking away our ability to defend ourselves will only enable the bad guys to have the weapons they need to commit crimes with guns.

Our right to own and use a gun to defend ourselves must not be compromised for any reason.
The only way to stop a violent person with a gun, is another person with a gun.

A gun is a tool, misuse of this tool is what the real issue is, not the gun itself.
Controlling who has access to these tools is the real answer.

 

[Dino]

But they are too unsafe to protect our kids in their schools. We'll trust the administrators and good luck to keep them safe there.

:nono:

 

[OldGaffer]

 

[Dino]

Two wildly different scenarios from different time periods.

Meaningless analogy.

According to this wisdom, it's folly to arm the Secret Service. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[American Patriot]

My premise is not to judge unfortunate acts that have occurred involving guns. My point is simple and elementary. It is impossible to prevent all crimes committed where guns are involved. The ability and right to defend yourself is a basic and necessary element not only to act as a deterrent but also to insure your own safety. Should teachers in our nations classrooms be armed? I do not know the answer to that question. Could an attempted assassination on President Reagan's life have have been prevented? Probably not. Americans use guns more than two million times a year to defend themselves. Deranged and violent criminals can only be stopped with the use of guns. There is no time for discussion, no time to question or reason with the individual that is in the act of killing innocent people, they must be stopped. Our right to defend ourselves must not be compromised for any reason by our government, for if it is, then only the criminals will have guns.

 

[jammer]

Patty, what you say is true, but you leave out..

People who use guns to protect our president are highly trained.
People who use guns to protect the money in banks are trained.
People who use guns to protect and defend our country are highly trained.
Air marshalls who use guns to protect our planes from hihackers are highly trained.
Police officcers who use guns to protect us and enforce our laws are highly trained.
People who use guns to insure peaceful proceedings inour courts of law are highly trained.
People who use guns to protect high end jewelery stores are highly trained.
People who use guns to protect military installations around the world are highly trained.
People who use guns to protect the Pope are highly trained.

I agree guns are not the problem, people not trained in their safe use and criminals that use them to commit their crimes are the problem.

Who is taking away your ability to defend yourself, your family, or your property? Certainly not this administration nor any of the bills being discussed in Congress.

I totally agree with your last statement and add that like any dangerous tool, the proper training in its proper use should be a requirement for ownership. Universal background checks in no way restrict a legal citizen from owning a gun, it only curtails those who shouldn't own one from getting it. Your last sentence is the backbone of universal background checks, so we agree.

 

[GordonGecko]

But they are too unsafe to protect our kids in their schools. We'll trust the administrators and good luck to keep them safe there.

:nono:

90,000 public schools......and we put in 90,000 armed guards into them....and SOMEHOW

NOT ONE of those armed guards will slip through the cracks of a screening process (no doubt run by a private company once you "privatize everything" guys get your way).......and is a psychotic whom Wayne LaPierre just armed and put on the hallways of the schools???

It'll be a "perfect system"?!?!?

 

[GordonGecko]

....

And the Right opposes the kind of mental health background checks that might have stopped Hinckley.

 

[trapdoor]

Patty, what you say is true, but you leave out..

People who use guns to protect our president are highly trained.
People who use guns to protect the money in banks are trained.
People who use guns to protect and defend our country are highly trained.
Air marshalls who use guns to protect our planes from hihackers are highly trained.
Police officcers who use guns to protect us and enforce our laws are highly trained.
People who use guns to insure peaceful proceedings inour courts of law are highly trained.
People who use guns to protect high end jewelery stores are highly trained.
People who use guns to protect military installations around the world are highly trained.
People who use guns to protect the Pope are highly trained.

I agree guns are not the problem, people not trained in their safe use and criminals that use them to commit their crimes are the problem.

Who is taking away your ability to defend yourself, your family, or your property? Certainly not this administration nor any of the bills being discussed in Congress.

I totally agree with your last statement and add that like any dangerous tool, the proper training in its proper use should be a requirement for ownership. Universal background checks in no way restrict a legal citizen from owning a gun, it only curtails those who shouldn't own one from getting it. Your last sentence is the backbone of universal background checks, so we agree.

I am highly trained. I shouldn't be deprived of owning firearms technology that has been available to the public in this country for the past 100 years -- and depriving me of that definitely IS on the table. I have no problem with universal background checks, but that isn't what people calling for universal background checks want -- they want to register guns, and are using background checks as a backdoor way to form such a registry.

 

[GordonGecko]

I have no problem with universal background checks, but that isn't what people calling for universal background checks want -- they want to register guns, and are using background checks as a backdoor way to form such a registry.

So you "support universal background checks...but oppose universal background checks"....gotcha.

Thanks, Wayne.

 

[trapdoor]

So you "support universal background checks...but oppose universal background checks"....gotcha.

Thanks, Wayne.

Nope -- I just oppose registration. Thanks for comparing me with LaPierre -- I've had a conversation with him and he is not the caricature you portray him.

I also note you ignored the substantive portion of what I wrote -- that the firearms technology people want to ban has been available to the American public for the last 100 years.

 

[Zam-Zam]

Guns:

Guns are used to protect our president.
Guns are used to protect money in most banks.
Guns are used to defend and protect our country.
Guns are used to protect valuable art in many museums in the world.
Guns are used by air marshals to protect us from hijackers.
Guns are used by most police officers to protect and enforce our laws.
Guns are used in courts of law to insure peaceful proceedings.
Guns are used by some high end jewelry stores to protect their products.
Guns are used to protect military installations around the world.
Guns are even used to protect the Pope.

Guns are not the problem, people committing crimes with guns is the problem.
Guns do not kill, people with guns kill.

Taking away our ability to defend ourselves will only enable the bad guys to have the weapons they need to commit crimes with guns.

Our right to own and use a gun to defend ourselves must not be compromised for any reason.
The only way to stop a violent person with a gun, is another person with a gun.

A gun is a tool, misuse of this tool is what the real issue is, not the gun itself.
Controlling who has access to these tools is the real answer.

Guns are bad. Drones are good.

 

[Dino]

Torture bad, indiscriminate assassination with drones without due process good.

 

[Zam-Zam]

Torture bad, indiscriminate assassination with drones without due process good.

The government likes drones because you don't have any.