Guns!

[UPNYA2]

Gunnies can change a magazine in less than a second. That's why they need 100 round drums. The logic escapes you? They make the first argument to defend the rights of mass killers who use high capacity weapons. If you ask why someone who can change a magazine in less than a second needs a huge magazine, the answer is, "None of your business." Really compelling stuff.

They also worry about that "slippery slope" if they concede anything at all to sanity and reasonableness. The fact that a 10 year ban on assault weapons was allowed to expire without fanfare doesn't dampen that paranoia a bit, apparently.

Seems neither of you ladies understand the english language.

nina stated, "I wonder why they think they have to have..."
YOU state, " That's why they need......"

You both refuse to accept the FACT that one's right to firearms simply are NOT based upon one's "needs". Our rights are dictated by OUR desire to use them. If you elect to not, so be it but you do not get to decide what is an acceptable use for ALL.

As I said with the right to free speech, if I elect to never speak in public that is MY decision. I do not get to limit what speech you or nina may elect to use. And yep, that includes your electing to use the internet to reach thousands of folks via the internet, something far in excess to any of the print "mass media" of the days when these rights were recorded. Like the weapons of today can affect more than back then.

Why is it you ONLY fight to keep ONE of these rights within the limits of its origin, sport?

 

[NinaS]

Seems neither of you ladies understand the english language.

nina stated, "I wonder why they think they have to have..."
YOU state, " That's why they need......"

You both refuse to accept the FACT that one's right to firearms simply are NOT based upon one's "needs". Our rights are dictated by OUR desire to use them. If you elect to not, so be it but you do not get to decide what is an acceptable use for ALL.

As I said with the right to free speech, if I elect to never speak in public that is MY decision. I do not get to limit what speech you or nina may elect to use. And yep, that includes your electing to use the internet to reach thousands of folks via the internet, something far in excess to any of the print "mass media" of the days when these rights were recorded. Like the weapons of today can affect more than back then.

Why is it you ONLY fight to keep ONE of these rights within the limits of its origin, sport?

Adam Lanza didn't go into that school and kill 20 babies using "freedom of speech". Do you think he could have talked them to death? You are being just plain stupid.

 

[UPNYA2]

Adam Lanza didn't go into that school and kill 20 babies using "freedom of speech". Do you think he could have talked them to death? You are being just plain stupid.

Got it.

Only the rights that you libs are afraid of should be denied to everyone.



If you ever DO decide to crawl out from under the covers of your bed though, you might look into this old saying about the pen being mightier than the sword.........

It COULD make for an interesting read for you if you ever need to discuss ALL of our rights one day.


Then AGAIN.......... It COULD also send you shivering back into the shadows to suck your thumb and tremble at the notion there are people out ther whom you are not allowed to control too.........so maybe not.

You just stick with your one fear, 'k, sweetie?

 

[Zoar]

Got it.

Only the rights that you libs are afraid of should be denied to everyone.



If you ever DO decide to crawl out from under the covers of your bed though, you might look into this old saying about the pen being mightier than the sword.........

It COULD make for an interesting read for you if you ever need to discuss ALL of our rights one day.


Then AGAIN.......... It COULD also send you shivering back into the shadows to suck your thumb and tremble at the notion there are people out ther whom you are not allowed to control too.........so maybe not.

You just stick with your one fear, 'k, sweetie?

UPPITY you just forge ahead completely disregarding what 'the Lefties" are saying here on PJ and you keep painting us as scardy cats and those who want rights taken away. You post strawman after strawman post and it is as if you have plugs in your ears and blinders on and you just pound away on the keyboard with your packaged up right wing propaganda about the Left wanting to take everything away.

 

[UPNYA2]

UPPITY you just forge ahead completely disregarding what 'the Lefties" are saying here on PJ and you keep painting us as scardy cats and those who want rights taken away. You post strawman after strawman post and it is as if you have plugs in your ears and blinders on and you just pound away on the keyboard with your packaged up right wing propaganda about the Left wanting to take everything away.

Perhaps you should try to explain to me what it is that leftys are saying here, or anywhere else that they "discuss" guns, hoar?

When one seeks to FURTHER restrict, (yes, "further", as in there are already any number of restrictions on the right to bear arms that NOONE is even arguing or trying to see revoked), what IS it that Democrats/libs are "saying?

Because when all of their feigned moral "outrage", when all of their innocent, minute, caring little FURTHER restrictions that are being fought so for are boiled down to their most basic form, all that they are "saying" is that they fear this right that we all are guarenteed and feel that THEY should be allowed to dictate to everyone what their rights "should" be.

Sorry, my rights trump YOUR fear of them.

 

[Zoar]

Perhaps you should try to explain to me what it is that leftys are saying here, or anywhere else that they "discuss" guns, hoar?

When one seeks to FURTHER restrict, (yes, "further", as in there are already any number of restrictions on the right to bear arms that NOONE is even arguing or trying to see revoked), what IS it that Democrats/libs are "saying?

Because when all of their feigned moral "outrage", when all of their innocent, minute, caring little FURTHER restrictions that are being fought so for are boiled down to their most basic form, all that they are "saying" is that they fear this right that we all are guarenteed and feel that THEY should be allowed to dictate to everyone what their rights "should" be.

Sorry, my rights trump YOUR fear of them.

For the 11,547 TIME! : We want the NRA and all those promoting KILLING PEOPLE WITH GUNS to STOP pushing so aggressively that we need more guns and that people are taking away guns. It is a fear and scare tactic to get people (like you) a-scared and angry and it makes you so angry you cannot hear or see what others are saying.

I am NOT for Gun Control.

But I oppose the fear and angry raising of the NRA and their aggressive promotion of using guns to kill people.

Did you get it THIS TIME, Up??!!

 

[Corruptbuddha]

I finally reached a conclusion of what spawns the controversy.

Gun advocates have a need to own and keep guns as an edge against other people who own and keep guns. Under normal circumstances unarmed people are not to be feared while under normal circumstances those who are armed are to be feared.

So, that being the case those who say the problem is people and not guns err because by removi8ng the guns from the controversy there is no controversy.

Evidently fear is what motivates lots of gun lovers to arm themselves to their teeth. So, perhaps, it is neither guns nor people that fan the flames. Emotion must be the source. FDR's four freedoms included "freedom from fear" for Americans at a time when those fears were brought about by foreign powers threatening our lifestyle and NOW we arm ourselves as protection from fellow citizens.

Last year I disposed of my weapons. It was time. I hadn't used one of them in years, just something to take out of the cabinet and clean and oil now and again; having become conversation pieces. And d'ya know what? I haven't spent a single restless night fretting because I have no weapons at hand.

gramps

So, you've gotten rid of your guns. Good for you.

That was your choice.

Here's a plan...you make your choices, and I'll make mine.

Sound fair?

 

[UPNYA2]

For the 11,547 TIME! : We want the NRA and all those promoting KILLING PEOPLE WITH GUNS to STOP pushing so aggressively that we need more guns and that people are taking away guns. It is a fear and scare tactic to get people (like you) a-scared and angry and it makes you so angry you cannot hear or see what others are saying.

I am NOT for Gun Control.

But I oppose the fear and angry raising of the NRA and their aggressive promotion of using guns to kill people.

Did you get it THIS TIME, Up??!!

Oh my GOD!!!!!!!!!

the NRA and other folks are actually, "promoting KILLING PEOPLE WITH GUNS"!?!??!?!?!

Wells hells bells, sport, I am with you then. Please, show me examples of the NRA promoting killing people in GENERAL, with or without guns and I too will come on here crying like a lib pulled from a gubment teat, howling to the high heavens demanding they be hushed, demanding that only those promoting safe gun use be allowed to speak.

Please, feel free to share......

Talk about being modivate by FEAR..........my GOD hoar.

 

[Zoar]

Oh my GOD!!!!!!!!!

the NRA and other folks are actually, "promoting KILLING PEOPLE WITH GUNS"!?!??!?!?!

Wells hells bells, sport, I am with you then. Please, show me examples of the NRA promoting killing people in GENERAL, with or without guns and I too will come on here crying like a lib pulled from a gubment teat, howling to the high heavens demanding they be hushed, demanding that only those promoting safe gun use be allowed to speak.

Please, feel free to share......

Talk about being modivate by FEAR..........my GOD hoar.

For the 10,478th time the NRA calls me all the time telling me---'BE A-Scared. BE ANGRY!!!! The Democarts and Obama are taking your guns. You better arm yourselves and stockpile ammo!!!'

They do this all the goddam time goddamit, pull the goddam plugs out of your ears and blinders on your eyes?

 

[zzigzzag]

Isolated incidents. Be fair and list both sides of the picture -- guns committed to criminal activity as opposed to individual citizens saving their own asses. I wonder, how many died as opposed to how many saved the day.

gramps

Well, Gramps, according to the NRA, people "successfully defend themselves with guns" 2,000,000 times per year in the US. That averages out to 40,000 times in every state. That's more than once every day in every county in the country on average. I don't know about anywhere else, but it makes the news when it happens around here....all 5 or 6 times that it happens in a year.

Gun freaks will believe anything. The NRA plays on that willful ignorance.

 

[zzigzzag]

Very well said. All that the Right Wing is posting is strawman after strawman on this forum. I wonder if they get it that they look like Bumbles The Dirty Harry One debating with a friggin chair and managing maybe a tie. Although many viewers would strongly argue the chair won!

I think it was determined by the very next day that the chair had won a decisive victory.

 

[UPNYA2]

For the 10,478th time the NRA calls me all the time telling me---'BE A-Scared. BE ANGRY!!!! The Democarts and Obama are taking your guns. You better arm yourselves and stockpile ammo!!!'

They do this all the goddam time goddamit, pull the goddam plugs out of your ears and blinders on your eyes?

HUH?

The NRA calls you all the time telling you that Democarts and Obama want to take your guns and stuff?

Now how in the hell can I believe that, hoar? Just a while ago you were blabbing about how they were promoting people killing others using guns and when questioned about THAT you failed to respond so NOW I am supposed to believe this?

Please.....Talk about ear plugs and blinders dude, DAM!

 

[zzigzzag]

Seems neither of you ladies understand the english language.

nina stated, "I wonder why they think they have to have..."
YOU state, " That's why they need......"

You both refuse to accept the FACT that one's right to firearms simply are NOT based upon one's "needs". Our rights are dictated by OUR desire to use them. If you elect to not, so be it but you do not get to decide what is an acceptable use for ALL.

As I said with the right to free speech, if I elect to never speak in public that is MY decision. I do not get to limit what speech you or nina may elect to use. And yep, that includes your electing to use the internet to reach thousands of folks via the internet, something far in excess to any of the print "mass media" of the days when these rights were recorded. Like the weapons of today can affect more than back then.

Why is it you ONLY fight to keep ONE of these rights within the limits of its origin, sport?

Blah blah blah. I have seen this same, stupid post so many times that it's gotten nauseating.

Start with the false assumption that gun rights have been stationary and unchanged for 250 years. Without it, your post is gibberish. With it, it's just stupid.

 

[zzigzzag]

HUH?

The NRA calls you all the time telling you that Democarts and Obama want to take your guns and stuff?

Now how in the hell can I believe that, hoar? Just a while ago you were blabbing about how they were promoting people killing others using guns and when questioned about THAT you failed to respond so NOW I am supposed to believe this?

Please.....Talk about ear plugs and blinders dude, DAM!

Did Zoar say the NRA was calling him? No. Do they promote guns with fear based on falsities? Yes. That's all they do.

Is a winger capable of writing a paragraph without a glaring straw man at the beginning of every dishonest rant? (Rhetorical) "Democarts" want to know.

 

[UPNYA2]

Isolated incidents. Be fair and list both sides of the picture -- guns committed to criminal activity as opposed to individual citizens saving their own asses. I wonder, how many died as opposed to how many saved the day.

gramps

What is your point?

This right that the left fears might be used by criminals more than it is used by law abiding citizens, therefore their attacks upon it are justified?

Odd position but ok, yours not mine.

Tell me, how do you feel about our right to not have to testify against ourselves? Or our right to not speak to the law without legal representation being present perhaps?

Those are rights I suspect would be far more useful to criminals than the average law abiding citizen, you?

Why no war on THOSE rights? Why is it you Democrats do not fear these rights?

Seems your fear is NOT based upon the ratio of criminal/law abiding citizen use that you guys are concerned with after all, so again, what exactly IS the sourse of your fear of the 2ad amendment?

(Yep, you do not control it for everyone. THAT is THE libby fear of all fears......NOT controlling all the rights of all the people.)

 

[UPNYA2]

Did Zoar say the NRA was calling him? No. Do they promote guns with fear based on falsities? Yes. That's all they do.

Is a winger capable of writing a paragraph without a glaring straw man at the beginning of every dishonest rant? (Rhetorical) "Democarts" want to know.

Poor, poor ziggy, tell you what buddy, whenever I want to see some sh-t outta you I will just squeeze your head, 'K, skippy?

But.......... if you MUST know, just about 5 post above this one 'ol hoar in fact DID say just THAT, and I quote, "For the 10,478th time the NRA calls me all the time telling me---"

Also, perhaps you would do well to avoid trying to put down others for not being "capable of writing a paragraph without a glaring straw man at the beginning of every dishonest rant", when addressing a response to a statement like, ""For the 11,547 TIME! : We want the NRA and all those promoting KILLING PEOPLE WITH GUNS to STOP pushing so aggressively that we need more guns and that people are taking away guns.", as I was doing.

Unless of course YOU would be willing to do as I asked your friend hoar here to do, provide me with ANYTHING that shows me the NRA is actually, "promoting "KILLING PEOPLE WITH GUNS" as was STATED i mean...........

 

[oicu812]

Did Zoar say the NRA was calling him? No. Do they promote guns with fear based on falsities? Yes. That's all they do.

Is a winger capable of writing a paragraph without a glaring straw man at the beginning of every dishonest rant? (Rhetorical) "Democarts" want to know.

"For the 10,478th time the NRA calls me all the time" [quote zoar]
post #49

i think he did..so theres that...

 

[Alinvegas]

I finally reached a conclusion of what spawns the controversy.

Gun advocates have a need to own and keep guns as an edge against other people who own and keep guns. Under normal circumstances unarmed people are not to be feared while under normal circumstances those who are armed are to be feared.

So, that being the case those who say the problem is people and not guns err because by removi8ng the guns from the controversy there is no controversy.

Evidently fear is what motivates lots of gun lovers to arm themselves to their teeth. So, perhaps, it is neither guns nor people that fan the flames. Emotion must be the source. FDR's four freedoms included "freedom from fear" for Americans at a time when those fears were brought about by foreign powers threatening our lifestyle and NOW we arm ourselves as protection from fellow citizens.

Last year I disposed of my weapons. It was time. I hadn't used one of them in years, just something to take out of the cabinet and clean and oil now and again; having become conversation pieces. And d'ya know what? I haven't spent a single restless night fretting because I have no weapons at hand.

gramps

Keep it up Gramps, you'll catch your tail eventually.

 

[marvin martian]

I wonder why they think they have to have multiple guns when one would suffice to protect them from the bogey man. Especially these AK-15 and the like. Do they think they'd have to put 20 bullets in the guy to stop him? That's all they're good for..killing others.

Keep wondering. Your cluelessness, bigotry and ignorance is an ongoing source of amusement for me...

 

[GordonGecko]

One thing you nailed, Gramps....

even the Gun Right themselves cannot give any reason for their desire for massive self-arming....

but one based on fear.