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trapdoor said:
They have never pushed for more guns and ammo. The organization has NEVER called for the hoarding behavior you describe, any more than it has called for shooting people, as you claim.

Since you can't provide examples of these statements (because they are factually baseless), I'm not too worried about your estimation of my intelligence.
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What is the "2nd Amendment solution" that we have all heard being touted by the gunners for the past five years? (Now, you may revert to, "Harumph! I never said that".)

There are a lot of pseudo-macho, brain damaged blowhards in your ranks. Many of them are right here. They love the NRA because their solution to every problem is more guns. How can you say the NRA has "never pushed for more guns"? They overtly promote more guns in the street as the solution to gun violence. It's their main theme.
 
zzigzzag said:
What is the "2nd Amendment solution" that we have all heard being touted by the gunners for the past five years? (Now, you may revert to, "Harumph! I never said that".)
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"Gunners" and the organization known as the NRA are overlapping groups, but not the same group. He says the NRA touts hoarding weapons and ammo and shooting people. I'm merely asking him to provide NRA-sourced proof.

There are a lot of pseudo-macho, brain damaged blowhards in your ranks. Many of them are right here. They love the NRA because their solution to every problem is more guns. How can you say the NRA has "never pushed for more guns"? They overtly promote more guns in the street as the solution to gun violence. It's their main theme.
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No, they promote the ownership of self defense guns, by people who want them, and their right to U.S. citizens. That isn't the same thing as "pushing for more guns." If you don't want a gun, don't get one -- suits the NRA just fine.
 
zzigzzag said:
[quote="Zoar, post: 918984, member: 10212


Man, Trappy, you play so dumb it is scary.
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Trap's the master at it. He can pretend he didn't see all but two words in a post with the best of them.[/quote]

THAT is so true... People around him in real life must have the inside of their lips all chewed up to smithereens from biting their lips from dealing with his selective hearing/reading.
 
trapdoor said:
Show a single example you slanderous moron? You still haven't. You still can't. I've grown weary of countering your constant lies with actual fact.
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His example was how the NRA pumped up the notion that Obama was going to take everyone's guns without a scintilla of evidence that he had any such intention and plenty that he did not.

Want to deny that they were spewing that rhetoric? Must I search and paste for you or will you concede that? Obama was being criticized by his own for saying and doing nothing about gun control while they were shoveling that paranoia.
 
trapdoor said:
"Gunners" and the organization known as the NRA are overlapping groups, but not the same group. He says the NRA touts hoarding weapons and ammo and shooting people. I'm merely asking him to provide NRA-sourced proof.



No, they promote the ownership of self defense guns, by people who want them, and their right to U.S. citizens. That isn't the same thing as "pushing for more guns." If you don't want a gun, don't get one -- suits the NRA just fine.
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Look, Trappy, I listen to NRA press conferences and NRA media releases and NRA phone calls after Sandy Hook (and since OBAMA took office actually). You can tell me their MESSAGE was not stock up on guns and ammo all you want but I have ears and eyes and not only did I see their message, the fact is there is a HUGE ammo and gun shortage in the USA and many people fault the NRA for stoking up all the fear and causing the hoarding. So, you can put that in your ivory pipe and light that up.
 
trapdoor said:
"Gunners" and the organization known as the NRA are overlapping groups, but not the same group. He says the NRA touts hoarding weapons and ammo and shooting people. I'm merely asking him to provide NRA-sourced proof.



No, they promote the ownership of self defense guns, by people who want them, and their right to U.S. citizens. That isn't the same thing as "pushing for more guns." If you don't want a gun, don't get one -- suits the NRA just fine.
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NRA = mouthpiece for gun makers (more dough than comes from dweebs who like stickers for rear window of beater pickup truck.)

America = people with right enumerated in law, as interpreted by SCOTUS (fact). SCOTUS says hunting + self protection, especially in home. (the right; SCOTUS says = true. )

Complicated = Not.

Worry gun grabbers get yours = stupid.

Anti Gunners = entitled to opinion, also quixotic.

Questions?
 
zzigzzag said:
His example was how the NRA pumped up the notion that Obama was going to take everyone's guns without a scintilla of evidence that he had any such intention and plenty that he did not.

Want to deny that they were spewing that rhetoric? Must I search and paste for you or will you concede that? Obama was being criticized by his own for saying and doing nothing about gun control while they were shoveling that paranoia.
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PRECISELY!!! Trappy wants to 'pretend dumb' like he always does then whatever you post he disects with tweezers and his trusty pen knife and finds one thing that he can clutch on to like an old lady and he just focuses on that as if his little life depended on it and he just will not relent! Laughable now that we all his number. Hehehehe Hahahaha
 
zzigzzag said:
His example was how the NRA pumped up the notion that Obama was going to take everyone's guns without a scintilla of evidence that he had any such intention and plenty that he did not.
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Even if the NRA made this accusation (and I'm fairly certain it did), he has yet to provide an actual NRA quotation.

Now, I've acknowledged the accusation, but I refuse to acknowledge that it is groundless. The assault weapons ban Obama favors, for example, wouldn't have kept me from getting all of the guns in my collection, but it would have kept me from getting the AR-15 I built. There's more than a "scintilla" of evidence that Obama doesn't want me to have it. How would keeping me from having it not be "taking away" my guns?

Want to deny that they were spewing that rhetoric? Must I search and paste for you or will you concede that? Obama was being criticized by his own for saying and doing nothing about gun control while they were shoveling that paranoia.
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Obama is a politician. I don't accept anything any politician says at face value. What he has said about firearms is one thing, and the fact that he has been politically paralyzed by organized opposition to his desires is another. I collect firearms. Among the firearms I'd like to own is the M-1 Garand rifle used by our armed forces in WWII and Korea. They're fairly expensive, running from $700 to more than $1500 depending on the version you run across. Their prices would lower if the hundreds of thousands loaned to Korea were reimported, but Obama (who could allow this via the stroke of a pen) won't allow it. He doesn't want me (or people like me) to have this rifle -- even though with an 8-round fixed magazine the Garand is neither an assault rifle nor a contributor to violent crime.
Tell me again how he's taken no action against gun owners.
 
More Merry Christmas images for one and all: Enjoy the Merriness: There is nothing disturbing in these photos at all; they are harmless fun, is all...... A JOKE, right, Righties? (Harmless FUN with a fuking grenade launchers and machine guns):

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Nothing like the smell of Machine Gun Fire on Christmas Morning (and the burning of some crosses on the yander hills):

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[quote="trapdoor,
Obama is a politician. I don't accept anything any politician says at face value. What he has said about firearms is one thing, and the fact that he has been politically paralyzed by organized opposition to his desires is another. I collect firearms. Among the firearms I'd like to own is the M-1 Garand rifle used by our armed forces in WWII and Korea. They're fairly expensive, running from $700 to more than $1500 depending on the version you run across. Their prices would lower if the hundreds of thousands loaned to Korea were reimported, but Obama (who could allow this via the stroke of a pen) won't allow it. He doesn't want me (or people like me) to have this rifle -- even though with an 8-round fixed magazine the Garand is neither an assault rifle nor a contributor to violent crime.
Tell me again how he's taken no action against gun owners.[/quote]

Tell me again how your beloved BUSH used the stroke of his pen to help poor poor you out on this matter huh???
 
Zoar said:
[quote="trapdoor,
Obama is a politician. I don't accept anything any politician says at face value. What he has said about firearms is one thing, and the fact that he has been politically paralyzed by organized opposition to his desires is another. I collect firearms. Among the firearms I'd like to own is the M-1 Garand rifle used by our armed forces in WWII and Korea. They're fairly expensive, running from $700 to more than $1500 depending on the version you run across. Their prices would lower if the hundreds of thousands loaned to Korea were reimported, but Obama (who could allow this via the stroke of a pen) won't allow it. He doesn't want me (or people like me) to have this rifle -- even though with an 8-round fixed magazine the Garand is neither an assault rifle nor a contributor to violent crime.
Tell me again how he's taken no action against gun owners.
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Tell me again how your beloved BUSH used the stroke of his pen to help poor poor you out on this matter huh???[/quote]

You really don't know anything about how most of us who voted for Bush actually felt about him at the time. He was a "hold your nose" vote, who was simply preferable to what the other side was offering -- he was always something of RINO, especially on the subject of firearms.
 
trapdoor said:
Yeah -- now they're racists and they're actually shooting the guns. Why don't you call them homophobes while you're lying about them?
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I'm 99.9999 % sure they are HOMOPHOBES and MUSLIMPHOBES and LIBERRALPHOBES and INTELLIGENCEPHOBES.... yes I am...

Any other "Phobes" you want to try out 'cause these people in these Scottsdale Gun Club shots are the essential Tea Bagger Libertarian Republican Uber Right Wing NUT and yes XENOPHOBIA is another phobia they possess along with ALL the others.
 
trapdoor said:
"Gunners" and the organization known as the NRA are overlapping groups, but not the same group. He says the NRA touts hoarding weapons and ammo and shooting people. I'm merely asking him to provide NRA-sourced proof.



No, they promote the ownership of self defense guns, by people who want them, and their right to U.S. citizens. That isn't the same thing as "pushing for more guns." If you don't want a gun, don't get one -- suits the NRA just fine.
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Semantics. When that doesn't work, go for the "2nd Amendment solution". Sharron Angle even said it would be a good way to get rid of Harry Reid and the Democrats.

"Overlapping"...good one. Another way of saying, "Not everyone in the NRA calls for the 2nd Amendment solution to everything from Obama to Trayvon Martin, but most who do are in the NRA". Especially the Republican politicians who have used that phrase. (Hint: It means to kill people and has been gaining popularity in the gunner dialogue.)
 
zzigzzag said:
Semantics. When that doesn't work, go for the "2nd Amendment solution". Sharron Angle even said it would be a good way to get rid of Harry Reid and the Democrats.
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Not just semantics. The only revolution I'm aware of the NRA supporting is the one done in 1776.
 
Zoar said:
I'm 99.9999 % sure they are HOMOPHOBES and MUSLIMPHOBES and LIBERRALPHOBES and INTELLIGENCEPHOBES.... yes I am...

Any other "Phobes" you want to try out 'cause these people in these Scottsdale Gun Club shots are the essential Tea Bagger Libertarian Republican Uber Right Wing NUT and yes XENOPHOBIA is another phobia they possess along with ALL the others.
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You lie.
 
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