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Has the GOP Congress come to its senses, or is it because it is an election year?

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IndependentinWis

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The GOP Congress has "allowed" the Congress to pass a budget, a farm bill and now a clean debt limit bill in the last month or so. Does this mean that the GOP in Congress has finally said no to the fraction of its members in the House that belong to the Tea Party, or is it because it is an election year?
 
And why aren't you whining about all the Obamacare mandate delays for employers? The delays are only because it's an election year.
 
IndependentinWis said:
The GOP Congress has "allowed" the Congress to pass a budget, a farm bill and now a clean debt limit bill in the last month or so. Does this mean that the GOP in Congress has finally said no to the fraction of its members in the House that belong to the Tea Party, or is it because it is an election year?
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They all passed with Democrat votes didn't they? On the debt limit 199 out of 230 Republicans voted to default on our debt.
 
IndependentinWis said:
The GOP Congress has "allowed" the Congress to pass a budget, a farm bill and now a clean debt limit bill in the last month or so. Does this mean that the GOP in Congress has finally said no to the fraction of its members in the House that belong to the Tea Party, or is it because it is an election year?
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Perhaps they've decided to demonstrate the complete lack of control among those on the other side of the aisle...?

cant control spending.. cant control the voting.. cant control a thing.. what does the D party control?
 
IndependentinWis said:
The GOP Congress has "allowed" the Congress to pass a budget, a farm bill and now a clean debt limit bill in the last month or so. Does this mean that the GOP in Congress has finally said no to the fraction of its members in the House that belong to the Tea Party, or is it because it is an election year?
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I couldn't tell you the answer to that one. But I can tell you Obama rewrote the ACA law because it is an election year and postponed more of his lies being exposed before the election
 
You ask this because they are acting like Democrats...the answer is they have lost their senses...sorry...anyone who agrees to give the president a blank check is an idiot.
 
IndependentinWis said:
The GOP Congress has "allowed" the Congress to pass a budget, a farm bill and now a clean debt limit bill in the last month or so. Does this mean that the GOP in Congress has finally said no to the fraction of its members in the House that belong to the Tea Party, or is it because it is an election year?
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could be both. the establishment GOP is sick and tired of the tea party AND more House repubs know they could lose the house if they pull more stunts like shutting down the govt too close to the midterms.
this morning on Washington Journal, calls were open to republicans only to comment on the House passage of the clean debt limit increase. I haven't heard so much wailing and sobs in years. LOL. they just might be moved to say the hell with it and sit out the midterms. :)
 
Bo-4 said:
Marble-fer-Brains and Drummy have ADD issues. ;)
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[quote="ITALIA, post: 968135, member:
Marble has an anger management issue too. I got a post from him directed at me that must have been deleted by the moderator because I don't see it here. Marble better get that anger management before he shoots up a car full of teenagers.
 
IndependentinWis said:
The GOP Congress has "allowed" the Congress to pass a budget, a farm bill and now a clean debt limit bill in the last month or so. Does this mean that the GOP in Congress has finally said no to the fraction of its members in the House that belong to the Tea Party, or is it because it is an election year?
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Smart politicking.

The subject of the mid-terms is Obamacare.

DO NOT CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
 
ITALIA said:
Marble has an anger management issue too. I got a post from him directed at me that must have been deleted by the moderator because I don't see it here. Marble better get that anger management before he shoots up a car full of teenagers.
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Very angry, humorless old coot ain't he?
 
ITALIA said:
Why aren't you staying on topic?
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For once, Marcus IS on topic. The GOP is convinced that it's got Obama and the Democrats on the ropes around the implementation of Obamacare. They're "wise" enough to know that IF that's true, they'd be silly to divert attention to themselves.

Something tells me though, that they're on a fool's mission. ImplementationGate is already subsidizing and I think they're dreaming if they think that they can keep it at anywhere near a boil, for the next 9 months.

Lookit at their desperate attempt to spew the CBO's latest reference into a hate-angle. People've gotta ask...is THIS the best they've got?
 
fairsheet said:
For once, Marcus IS on topic. The GOP is convinced that it's got Obama and the Democrats on the ropes around the implementation of Obamacare. They're "wise" enough to know that IF that's true, they'd be silly to divert attention to themselves.

Something tells me though, that they're on a fool's mission. ImplementationGate is already subsidizing and I think they're dreaming if they think that they can keep it at anywhere near a boil, for the next 9 months.

Lookit at their desperate attempt to spew the CBO's latest reference into a hate-angle. People've gotta ask...is THIS the best they've got?
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as an aside... why is the CBO thingy a desperate attempt.. given that in the verbage of the CBO report they state that the decline of 2.5 million FTE equivalents of labor is in part due to the need/want/desire/freedom..call it what you will..to limit tax exposure and retain subsidies..?

why is pointing that out desperate...given that it is part of the analysis...?
 
PhilFish said:
as an aside... why is the CBO thingy a desperate attempt.. given that in the verbage of the CBO report they state that the decline of 2.5 million FTE equivalents of labor is in part due to the need/want/desire/freedom..call it what you will..to limit tax exposure and retain subsidies..?

why is pointing that out desperate...given that it is part of the analysis...?
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A coupla reasons why....

-Initial GOPian links to the study - either out of abject ignorance or intentional deceit, implied that these jobs would be lost to people against their will.

-Per the REALLY plain language of the report (and a few notable GOPs), they were forced to walk that one back rather quickly.

-That's when they switched to the angle that Obamacare was going to allow people to choose to be freeloaders and that's bad. Now I can see why a GOP might "feel" that angle. The problem for them is that clearly, the CBO's prediction of people who might choose to work less as a function of Obamacare, applies to people in their 50's, 60's, and maybe even 70's. And...you SERIOUSLY thinking branding that demographic as "freeloaders", is going to catch on with much of anyone who isn't already "all in" with Fox/GOPism?
 
fairsheet said:
A coupla reasons why....

-Initial GOPian links to the study - either out of abject ignorance or intentional deceit, implied that these jobs would be lost to people against their will.

-Per the REALLY plain language of the report (and a few notable GOPs), they were forced to walk that one back rather quickly.

-That's when they switched to the angle that Obamacare was going to allow people to choose to be freeloaders and that's bad. Now I can see why a GOP might "feel" that angle. The problem for them is that clearly, the CBO's prediction of people who might choose to work less as a function of Obamacare, applies to people in their 50's, 60's, and maybe even 70's. And...you SERIOUSLY thinking branding that demographic as "freeloaders", is going to catch on with much of anyone who isn't already "all in" with Fox/GOPism?
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the really plain language of the report states it as an <and> both older persons retiring and persons diminishing income to retain their tax bracket and subsidies.

why is pointing it out an 'angle' for the GOP

and where the left is not pointing that out...is that not also an 'angle'?

IMO, the effect (of witholding labor) has less to do with the older... and more to do with those quintiles of earners most likely to be affected by a shift to a higher bracket or a loss of subsidy.. that being the lowest quintiles....

it is a fair asessment, not an angle. (earlier uninformed attempts to cast otherwise, not withstanding....)

therefore, a poorly framed and uninformed approach to characterizing the 2.3 million as jobs lost...no longer holds sway..given the now informed position most of those same now hold....
 
PhilFish said:
the really plain language of the report states it as an <and> both older persons retiring and persons diminishing income to retain their tax bracket and subsidies.

why is pointing it out an 'angle' for the GOP

and where the left is not pointing that out...is that not also an 'angle'?

IMO, the effect (of witholding labor) has less to do with the older... and more to do with those quintiles of earners most likely to be affected by a shift to a higher bracket or a loss of subsidy.. that being the lowest quintiles....

it is a fair asessment, not an angle. (earlier uninformed attempts to cast otherwise, not withstanding....)

therefore, a poorly framed and uninformed approach to characterizing the 2.3 million as jobs lost...no longer holds sway..given the now informed position most of those same now hold....
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To the extent jobs and/or hours disappear , it WILL by definition, apply to our elders. The problem with trying to push the angle that it will have a negative effect on the middle - presumably more productive portion of our labor pool, is that it contradicts the market reality.

To the extent some 30-40 something makes the silly decision to limit his output in order to avoid paying this or that tax, there's no shortage of people willing to rush in immediately and fill that vacuum. And by definition, our economy is better served when the willing producer supplants the less willing one.

Your argument might've made at least some sense, during the overheated labor era of the late-90's, when we were desperate for labor of whatever quality and at whatever cost. BUT....IF "overheated" was desirable, we wouldn't call it "OVERheated".
 
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