Healthcare is a success...Thank You Republicans!

[Drumcollie]

If healthcare is to be declared a success, and the plans success is dependent on signups..we can conclude:

1. The website wasnt the the reason for success


2. It was the plan...The Republican idea known affectionately as Obamacare or ACA

So I am wondering what will be if any the success of the Obama administration that was their own idea?

 

[as seen on tv]

my theory is that its a success because obama granted exemptions and delays to nearly everyone who would have had to sign up. the real fun starts in a year or two, when "normal" rules take effect.

 

[zzigzzag]

If healthcare is to be declared a success, and the plans success is dependent on signups..we can conclude:

1. The website wasnt the the reason for success


2. It was the plan...The Republican idea known affectionately as Obamacare or ACA

So I am wondering what will be if any the success of the Obama administration that was their own idea?

So Drummy is the first winger to declare ACA a success and ring in the new, but long and often predicted campaign rhetoric for 2016. Or will they change the 2014 meme now that all of their doom and gloom predictions have failed to materialize?

Pretty funny.

 

[zzigzzag]

my theory is that its a success because obama granted exemptions and delays to nearly everyone who would have had to sign up. the real fun starts in a year or two, when "normal" rules take effect.

What the hell are you talking about? More than enough signed up on time to make the 7 million threshold. The "exemptions and delays" are not among them. They will be gravy on the potatoes.

Hint: The goal is to get more people to sign up by giving them more chances....not to see how few he can gather by being difficult and vindictive. That's the pugs' job.

 

[ITALIA]

If healthcare is to be declared a success, and the plans success is dependent on signups..we can conclude:

1. The website wasnt the the reason for success


2. It was the plan...The Republican idea known affectionately as Obamacare or ACA

So I am wondering what will be if any the success of the Obama administration that was their own idea?

So I am wondering if it was Republicans ideas why were they trying to repeal it the last 4 years?

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

What the hell are you talking about? More than enough signed up on time to make the 7 million threshold. The "exemptions and delays" are not among them. They will be gravy on the potatoes.

Hint: The goal is to get more people to sign up by giving them more chances....not to see how few he can gather by being difficult and vindictive. That's the pugs' job.

HINT: The stated goal was to insure the 46 million without insurance. According to most reports, less than 1,000,000 of the sign ups were previously uninsured.

All that happened was that people who had insurance were forced to give up plans they liked, for other more expensive plans.

FAIL

 

[ITALIA]

HINT: The stated goal was to insure the 46 million without insurance. According to most reports, less than 1,000,000 of the sign ups were previously uninsured.

All that happened was that people who had insurance were forced to give up plans they liked, for other more expensive plans.

FAIL

HINT: This is year one of a decades long program. I don't suppose you feel any need to backup your claim of "less than 1,000,000" were previously uninsured. There were many more than that just in the Medicaid signups you know.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

HINT: This is year one of a decades long program. I don't suppose you feel any need to backup your claim of "less than 1,000,000" were previously uninsured. There were many more than that just in the Medicaid signups you know.

It's been widely reported that the majority of the Medicaid sign ups were people already eligible, and normal renewals, all of whom would have signed up regardless of Obamacare.

FAIL.

 

[ITALIA]

It's been widely reported that the majority of the Medicaid sign ups were people already eligible, and normal renewals, all of whom would have signed up regardless of Obamacare.

FAIL.

Widely reported by biased sources and others who really have no basis for their opinions. I know you people won't give up with your criticism because you really don't want any Government involvement in helping people who need help. Like this guy.
http://news.yahoo.com/charles-koch-wants-earn-billions-spend-millions-politics-133936762.html

 

[Arkady]

If healthcare is to be declared a success, and the plans success is dependent on signups..we can conclude:

1. The website wasnt the the reason for success


2. It was the plan...The Republican idea known affectionately as Obamacare or ACA

So I am wondering what will be if any the success of the Obama administration that was their own idea?

The Republicans could have been very well positioned to claim this success as their own, since the broad outlines of the plan were designed by the conservative Heritage Foundation, and it was first implemented by Republican Mitt Romney. But as soon as Obama signed on to the Republican reform, Republicans disavowed it, since their political views these days are driven by raw, unthinking partisan opposition, rather than any thinking about actual policy considerations. As such, they ruined their own claim to this success.

 

[Drumcollie]

The Republicans could have been very well positioned to claim this success as their own, since the broad outlines of the plan were designed by the conservative Heritage Foundation, and it was first implemented by Republican Mitt Romney. But as soon as Obama signed on to the Republican reform, Republicans disavowed it, since their political views these days are driven by raw, unthinking partisan opposition, rather than any thinking about actual policy considerations. As such, they ruined their own claim to this success.

yet as we learned in the 1990's there was none to claim.....

 

[Drumcollie]

So Drummy is the first winger to declare ACA a success and ring in the new, but long and often predicted campaign rhetoric for 2016. Or will they change the 2014 meme now that all of their doom and gloom predictions have failed to materialize?

Pretty funny.

yeah pretty funny we stole your success...guess what we got?....NOTHING

 

[Drumcollie]

So I am wondering if it was Republicans ideas why were they trying to repeal it the last 4 years?

It doesnt work

 

[Arkady]

yet as we learned in the 1990's there was none to claim.....

There was no what to claim?

 

[Arkady]

It doesnt work

In what sense does it not work? Since Obamacare passed, health insurance premiums have been rising slower than they were before it passed, and the percentage of Americans without health insurance has been falling, whereas it was rising before Obamacare passed. Meanwhile, over 7 million signups, through the exchange, suggests that after the rocky start, the technical glitches have been dealt with enough that they shouldn't be an obstacle. And Romneycare, in Massachusetts, provide a proof-of-concept of the longer term viability of such a reform. What, exactly, would you have to see to make you think it does work?

 

[Drumcollie]

In what sense does it not work? Since Obamacare passed, health insurance premiums have been rising slower than they were before it passed, and the percentage of Americans without health insurance has been falling, whereas it was rising before Obamacare passed. Meanwhile, over 7 million signups, through the exchange, suggests that after the rocky start, the technical glitches have been dealt with enough that they shouldn't be an obstacle. And Romneycare, in Massachusetts, provide a proof-of-concept of the longer term viability of such a reform. What, exactly, would you have to see to make you think it does work?

Really Ya gotta ask?

Uh I didnt get to keep my plan period

Health insurance rising as you said

uh didnt save 2500 dollars

website doesnt work.

 

[Drumcollie]

There was no what to claim?

success

 

[Arkady]

Really Ya gotta ask?

Uh I didnt get to keep my plan period

Health insurance rising as you said

uh didnt save 2500 dollars

website doesnt work.

Before Obamacare, there was no rule requiring your private insurer to keep your health insurance policy in place indefinitely. After Obamacare, there's still no such rule. Would there need to be such a rule for you to consider Obamacare a success?

If you want to attack the Obama administration for overselling the reform, that's legitimate. But what I'm discussing here isn't whether the reform lived up to the hyperbolic sales pitch, but rather whether it constitutes a substantial improvement. I think it does.

If I buy a product that says it'll cut my energy bills by half, and it only cuts them by a third, I may gripe at the hype, but assuming that still saves me a lot of money relative to where I'd be if I hadn't bought the product, I'll still consider it a successful product.

 

[Arkady]

success

What would you need to see, from a healthcare reform, for you to consider it a "success"?

 

[Drumcollie]

What would you need to see, from a healthcare reform, for you to consider it a "success"?

for starters when the President says you can keep your plan...yop get to...Duh