New Posts
  • Hi there guest! Welcome to PoliticalJack.com. Register for free to join our community?

Hillary Clinton's Popularity

Arkady

President
Hillary Clinton is possibly the most popular woman in history (aside from mythological figures like Mary and Isis). I suppose Victoria Hanover, Elizabeth Tudor, Elizabeth Windsor, Maria Theresa, and a few other monarchs of big empires might also have a claim on the title, but at least in the US, in the era of modern polling, no other woman has been so admired by so many for so long. But what's so extraordinary to me is how popular she is even among Republican politicians. They speak well of her, on and off the record, to an extent that's hard to believe, for those of us who remember the vicious treatment directed her way during the early part of her husband's presidency. Back in the day, they pawed through her law career and investments trying to find something to use against her, and some of the nuttier ones gave air to the "Hillary had Vince Foster murdered" conspiracies.

Some of her increased popularity among Republicans makes sense for purely partisan reasons. The moment Obama emerged as the likely Democratic nominee, in 2008, Republicans had two very strong incentives at least to pretend they like Hillary. First, it allowed them to present themselves as something other than reflexive partisan zealots who'd automatically hate any Democrat ("Oh, I respect Hillary Clinton, but that Obama guy scares me.") Second, it was a useful strategy for trying to peel off Hillary Clinton supporters ("We love her, too... why don't you vote McCain/Palin and show Obama what you think of what he did to 'our girl'?")

However, I heard another explanation for Hillary Clinton's rising popularity among Republican politicians. When she first arrived in the Senate, there was an expectation that she'd throw her weight around before paying her dues. She was instantly the most famous person in that body, as a freshman -- one of the most famous people ever in that body. She could have started right off by grand-standing to the press and demanding key leadership roles and balking at the boring stuff where work actually gets done. Far dimmer stars than her have done exactly that as famous freshmen (think: infamous press wh0re and legendary half-wit Rand Paul). Instead, she took a step back, attended all her committee meetings, researched issues, took her cues from senior leaders, got down into the weeds of actual statutory drafting, and learned the ropes, only emerging as a leader gradually, over the course of several years of dues-paying.

That shouldn't have been a surprise for those who had ever considered her character honestly. She'd been a young woman who had stellar career possibilities and yet had spent much of her adult life taking a back seat to her husband's career -- supporting him loyally even during his worst missteps. But that kind of team-player attitude and well-contained ego sure didn't fit her image among right-wingers, who'd played her up as some sort of domineering harpy and prima donna, in the early Clinton years (a sign of their own misogyny, not the result of any indication of those character traits from her).

Her humility and dedication to being a team player was only underscored after her presidential primary defeat. Despite what was perceived as a snubbing for the VP slot, she became an enthusiastic and competent campaigner for Obama, then accepted the Secretary of State role. In that role, she served well for four years, while remaining a consummate team player. Like no other Secretary of State in history, she had the independent stature to grandstand and go off message if she'd wanted, but if there were any cracks between the White House and the State Department, she carefully kept them hidden and presented as united a front, to the country and the world, as any other White House and State Department had. She also resisted the urge to float any kind of trial balloons about a possible 2012 primary challenge.

That kind of thing was clearly not what one would have expected from the caricature of Hillary Clinton the Republicans had invented in the early 90s. And I think gradually the real thing won them over. They may not like Hillary Clinton, for the same reason they dislike all liberals and Democrats, but most of them respect her.
 
Hillary Clinton is popular on the right because she's not holding elected office, yet as we've just seen regarding Benghazi and her health scare, that hasn't stopped the right from disrespecting her. it's expected that if she were to run in 2016 or hint about it now, the rightwing will rev up their hate-machine.
 
Eh, maybe.

I think the moment Hillary Clinton declares her candidacy for the President in 2016 this Republican Hillary lovefest will go out the window, and Republicans will revert to the Vince Foster / Benghazi / Lewinsky slime fest.
 
Hillary served on the Water Gate Committee at the beginning of her career.

Kathleen Parker has a great article about how those who attacked her during her fall and blood clot should be ashamed of themselves.

One Journalist said,"Bolton was one step removed from being a bathroom cleaner in the Bush Adminstration and should shut up!:eek:)
 
Hillary is popular with liberals. To liberals, that means everybody, therefore Hillary is popular with everybody because they say so. The end.
 
What do you suppose made her so popular...the fact that she created hillarycare and that failed, or that She set the tone for how Women should behave in society when your Husband is becoming a well known accused rapist. Could be her role as a presidential candidate when she and her campiagn became responsible for the" Birther movement." It also could be for the rescue of the American reporters, wait no her accused rapist Husband had to do that...so no. Maybe it as for her role in the T.V. mini series " A Small and Savage Group" a mini series to eclipse all mini series..in fact "Roots", "Wheels" and White Water" mini series did not garner the popularity of " A Small and Savage Group " Starring Hillary Clinton as Hillary,and featuring Ali Baba and his forty theives( علي بابا والأربعين ) and introducing " Hitachi" the lovable Japanese TV. which Hillary watched the small and savage group kill 4 Americans, well its a satire on how western christian ideology goes awry and the only solution to bring peace is for Hillary to make personal sacrifices of her own perosnal life , because of a coptic christian video which was so heinous, that it had infuriated so many people who had never seen the video.,and to save the world from Destruction she must use "Hitachi" to watch an attack on an American embassy and see four Americans killed in real time and the hard decisions that were necessary to make. It is the epic classic democrat struggles: do I do what is right or do I bring in help to save Americans and Do I blame the small and savage group and a video, the lovable Hitachi's cousin or do I tell the world that it was Al Qaida.

All in all from Whitewater scandals to an accused rapist Husband which she enabled, to her inablility to do her job,the failure to get her name on healthcare , the millions owed for her political campaign to be President, The hillary fan club...aka the Birther movement and her vacations to Benghazi..nothing has made her more popular, no really nothing has made her popular than teaching us that murder doesnt have to be a crime!
 
Eh, maybe.

I think the moment Hillary Clinton declares her candidacy for the President in 2016 this Republican Hillary lovefest will go out the window, and Republicans will revert to the Vince Foster / Benghazi / Lewinsky slime fest.

Probably correct. It'll be interesting to see. One possibility is that we'll see a dive back into the usual slime-fest, but by way of proxies, rather than more direct attacks from her former colleagues. I mean, obviously the moment she threatens the conservative movement, Rush, Beck, Coulter, and of course Hannity and the whole Fox News clown card will be looking to run her over.... but what will be interesting to see is if actual Republican politicians will be as vicious towards her as they were in the early Clinton administration years. If they've developed a real respect for her (if they're even capable of respect), their idea of splitting the difference might be to avoid saying anything too obviously unfair and nasty themselves, and just leave it to the hired goons in the media.
 
Hillary is popular with liberals. To liberals, that means everybody, therefore Hillary is popular with everybody because they say so. The end.

No, I'm not speaking just of her popularity with liberals, as I made clear in what I wrote.
 
What do you suppose made her so popular...the fact that she created hillarycare and that failed, or that She set the tone for how Women should behave in society when your Husband is becoming a well known accused rapist. Could be her role as a presidential candidate when she and her campiagn became responsible for the" Birther movement." It also could be for the rescue of the American reporters, wait no her accused rapist Husband had to do that...so no. Maybe it as for her role in the T.V. mini series " A Small and Savage Group" a mini series to eclipse all mini series..in fact "Roots", "Wheels" and White Water" mini series did not garner the popularity of " A Small and Savage Group " Starring Hillary Clinton as Hillary,and featuring Ali Baba and his forty theives( علي بابا والأربعين ) and introducing " Hitachi" the lovable Japanese TV. which Hillary watched the small and savage group kill 4 Americans, well its a satire on how western christian ideology goes awry and the only solution to bring peace is for Hillary to make personal sacrifices of her own perosnal life , because of a coptic christian video which was so heinous, that it had infuriated so many people who had never seen the video.,and to save the world from Destruction she must use "Hitachi" to watch an attack on an American embassy and see four Americans killed in real time and the hard decisions that were necessary to make. It is the epic classic democrat struggles: do I do what is right or do I bring in help to save Americans and Do I blame the small and savage group and a video, the lovable Hitachi's cousin or do I tell the world that it was Al Qaida.

All in all from Whitewater scandals to an accused rapist Husband which she enabled, to her inablility to do her job,the failure to get her name on healthcare , the millions owed for her political campaign to be President, The hillary fan club...aka the Birther movement and her vacations to Benghazi..nothing has made her more popular, no really nothing has made her popular than teaching us that murder doesnt have to be a crime!

Can you at least try to take a second pass at stuff before posting? You don't have the talent for crafting something readable on the first draft.
 
I really loved this paragraph:


Some of her increased popularity among Republicans makes sense for purely partisan reasons. The moment Obama emerged as the likely Democratic nominee, in 2008, Republicans had two very strong incentives at least to pretend they like Hillary. First, it allowed them to present themselves as something other than reflexive partisan zealots who'd automatically hate any Democrat ("Oh, I respect Hillary Clinton, but that Obama guy scares me.") Second, it was a useful strategy for trying to peel off Hillary Clinton supporters ("We love her, too... why don't you vote McCain/Palin and show Obama what you think of what he did to 'our girl'?")



What you did there was to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you know nothing about conservatives (other than what you've been told and your own personal prejudice). It's a bit like when white folks explain how black people think and feel. It did, however, give me, and perhaps a few others, a good belly laugh. You're always entertaining, if not insightful.
 
Back
Top