Hillary lies ?

[Spamature]

This is a new thread promised about Hillary lies vs Trump lies my first response.

I think both have lied, but I'll list some Hillary lies, per your request.

Here are some of the claims Hillary has made that have been deemed absolutely false by Politifact.

Well let's have at it.

• "You are three times more likely to be able to get a mortgage if you're a white applicant than if you're black or Hispanic, even if you have the same credentials."

Lie: Ratios are incorrect.​

2.5 times not 3 times So she is off by 17% but not really much of a lie as lies go.

• "We now have more jobs in solar than we do in oil."

Lie: Maybe someday, but not now. ​

She is quoting a BLS number. Politifact is being a bit disingenuous by including numbers that are not in the BLS estimate.

Here is the BLS number she is quoting and the number of solar jobs quoted are larger than the number of jobs from oil extraction quoted by the BLS.

http://www.bls.gov/iag/tgs/iag211.htm

• "I am the only candidate on either side who has laid out a specific plan about what I would do to defeat ISIS."

Lie: Factually not the only one at all.​

Not factual you have your 1st one.

• "Every piece of legislation, just about, that I ever introduced (in the U.S. Senate) had a Republican co-sponsor."

Lie: Her campaign tried to cover and say "she phrased it wrong".​

Okay she said what she said. If that is the rule then that is the rule. You have your #2

• "We now have driven (health care) costs down to the lowest they've been in 50 years."

Lie: Factually incorrect.​

You have your number 3

• The gun industry is "the only business in America that is wholly protected from any kind of liability."

Lie: The gun industry isn't wholly protected from any kind of liability. ​

This is your number 4

• The Benghazi probe is "the longest-running congressional investigation ever."

Lie: There have been far longer congressional investigations. ​

Congress began investigating Benghazi Oct 5 2o12. Which means Benghazi has been investigated for 41 months and counting in its various iterations. I personally feel the including the Truman committee is a stretch. Since it essentially became a function of congress during WWII to prevent problems with war production. So apart from that Benghazi is the longest investigation we know of without pouring over dusty old records.

• Says Scott Walker rejected legislation to make college loan payments tax deductible and the result was "to raise taxes on students."

Lie: The bill never made it to Walker's desk. ​

Huh ?

Okay make it the 5th. But I think it widened the kinds lies that can be attributed to TrumpZilla.

 

[Spamature]

I will take on the others in your list as well

 

[Spamature]

• "Not one of the 17 GOP candidates has discussed how they'd address the rising cost of college."

Lie: Multiple Republicans addressed it. ​

Looked at what they had to say and I do not buy it. The only thing they presented as close to what they claim is Christie basically saying people should refuse to pay for cost incurred by school through unbundling the bill and paying only for classes they attend and not ancillary cost associated with the school. And even then he was not a candidate when he made the statement. I will disagree with this one.

• "all my grandparents" immigrated to America.

Lie: One did, but not all. ​

You have another.

this is false even though they go to some lengths to explain her confusion.

• McCain "still thinks it's okay when women don't earn equal pay for equal work."

Lie: Like most women/wage claims by Clinton, this is just out of left field. ​

NO CIGAR McCain has a record of voting against equal pay for women.

http://www.emilyslist.org/news/entry/john-mccains-shameful-record-of-blocking-equal-pay-for-women1

• "If you are driving on average in America this summer, you'll save — according to Department of Energy figures — about $70."

Lie: Only if "you" are a family of 4​

So ? Are they saying families of 4 don't exist ? Nope.

• "I actually started criticizing the war in Iraq before (Obama) did."

Lie: Obama was first. ​

Not true on her part. Number 7 I think ?

• Obama "only wants your children to have health insurance."

Lie: Obama's plan attempts to cover adults. ​

Good to see you sticking up for the ACA that is number 8 I believe.

• Says the difference between her and Barack Obama is "about 35 years of experience."

Lie: She obviously needs to retake elementary math. ​

Well that is really and off the cuff remark that could be taken as her saying she has 35 yrs of experience and he does not. Will not hold her to that as a lie.

• "It's just outrageous that under President Bush, the National Institutes of Health have been basically decreased in funding."

Lie: NIH funding was up under Bush.​

And you have your number 9.

So we are done with your official fact checker posts.

@Mr. Friscus

 

[Jen]

This is a new thread promised about Hillary lies vs Trump lies my first response.




Well let's have at it.



2.5 times not 3 times So she is off by 17% but not really much of a lie as lies go.


She is quoting a BLS number. Politifact is being a bit disingenuous by including numbers that are not in the BLS estimate.

Here is the BLS number she is quoting and the number of solar jobs quoted are larger than the number of jobs from oil extraction quoted by the BLS.

http://www.bls.gov/iag/tgs/iag211.htm



Not factual you have your 1st one.


Okay she said what she said. If that is the rule then that is the rule. You have your #2


You have your number 3


This is your number 4


Congress began investigating Benghazi Oct 5 2o12. Which means Benghazi has been investigated for 41 months and counting in its various iterations. I personally feel the including the Truman committee is a stretch. Since it essentially became a function of congress during WWII to prevent problems with war production. So apart from that Benghazi is the longest investigation we know of without pouring over dusty old records.



Huh ?

Okay make it the 5th. But I think it widened the kinds lies that can be attributed to TrumpZilla.

Yes.
Hillary is a liar.
Always has been, always will be.

 

[Spamature]

Yes.
Hillary is a liar.
Always has been, always will be.

But this thread is meant to compare the to potential new leader of the Republican party Donald J Trump.

Let's see how they stand up to each other. I still have his far right website accusations to address.

Then it's TrumpZilla's turn.

 

[Jen]

But this thread is meant to compare the to potential new leader of the Republican party Donald J Trump.

Let's see how they stand up to each other. I still have his far right website accusations to address.

Then it's TrumpZilla's turn.

Hillary told the families of those four men who died in Benghazi that it was because of a video.
Later it was proven she knew it wasn't the video at all.

So what did Hillary do? She said - that the families of those dead men were lying.

To me, that trumps ANY lie that Trump or anyone in the Republican Party has EVER told.
Hillary's lie was mean-spirited and she has NO regret or remorse and she denies even telling a lie. That is one wicked woman.

 

[Spamature]

Hillary told the families of those four men who died in Benghazi that it was because of a video.
Later it was proven she knew it wasn't the video at all.

So what did Hillary do? She said - that the families of those dead men were lying.

To me, that trumps ANY lie that Trump or anyone in the Republican Party has EVER told.
Hillary's lie was mean-spirited and she has NO regret or remorse and she denies even telling a lie. That is one wicked woman.

Where does she ever SPECIFICALLY mention the attack on Benghazi was because of the video. When I look for her saying that specifically I fail to find it. It seems as if you are unaware of the protest that took place around the world because of this video.

Here is a video showing that there were worldwide protest. Notice the crawl at the bottom does list violent incident that had taken place because of that video.

Please link me to her specifically saying the attack on Benghazi was the fault of the video.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

So we are done with your official fact checker posts.

@Mr. Friscus

You were a bit lenient in writing off a few, and you ignored my third post of lies.

However, that's all I'll post for the time being.

The difference between you and me here is that I don't deny that Trump has lied. While he appeals to me a in a few areas, I won't be voting for him, or any GOP candidate. You, on the other hand, most assuredly will be voting Democrat. Thus, I don't have a desperate skin in the game as you do.

I know multiple lies Trump has told, and they have far more to do with then steaks and wine. To focus on things so trivial, acting like it's just so telling, while at the same time having to be pressed to admit Hillary's growing list of lies, says a lot.

I'll call them both liars. You seem to just want to focus on Trump's lies, and not look at the big picture.

That's why being independent truly allows me to have a brain.

 

[Spamature]

You were a bit lenient in writing off a few, and you ignored my third post of lies.

However, that's all I'll post for the time being.

The difference between you and me here is that I don't deny that Trump has lied. While he appeals to me a in a few areas, I won't be voting for him, or any GOP candidate. You, on the other hand, most assuredly will be voting Democrat. Thus, I don't have a desperate skin in the game as you do.

I know multiple lies Trump has told, and they have far more to do with then steaks and wine. To focus on things so trivial, acting like it's just so telling, while at the same time having to be pressed to admit Hillary's growing list of lies, says a lot.

I'll call them both liars. You seem to just want to focus on Trump's lies, and not look at the big picture.

That's why being independent truly allows me to have a brain.

I believe I was fair and where I disagreed I linked to or explained where I believe it is over the line to call it a lie. I am not disagree that Clinton has lied. I just believe the extent to which you post says she lied is wrong.

Whether it was steak or wine or aircraft carriers is not what is so striking about Trump's lies in that video. It was the total disrespect shown the American people and especially his own supporters with the way he did it. All that mattered to him was to being able to be the big man at that moment and screw what ever comes after. If that is the way he wants to do business then that is on him. But you can not treat a nation of 300 million people looking for a new leader as if they suckers you are scam for a few buck.

HELL NO !

 

[Spamature]

Hillary told the families of those four men who died in Benghazi that it was because of a video.
Later it was proven she knew it wasn't the video at all.

So what did Hillary do? She said - that the families of those dead men were lying.

To me, that trumps ANY lie that Trump or anyone in the Republican Party has EVER told.
Hillary's lie was mean-spirited and she has NO regret or remorse and she denies even telling a lie. That is one wicked woman.

And other family members are saying those family members are lying. They say both she and the president never said that.

As I have pointed out and you agree with you silence on this issue, she has never specifically blamed the Benghazi attack on that video in a public address I can find. Apparently you can not find where she has either.

 

[Dawg]

Yes.
Hillary is a liar.
Always has been, always will be.

I'm glad Call Out top post are now legal

 

[Jen]

And other family members are saying those family members are lying. They say both she and the president never said that.

As I have pointed out and you agree with you silence on this issue, she has never specifically blamed the Benghazi attack on that video in a public address I can find. Apparently you can not find where she has either.

Yes. She did and here it is. At approximately 1:10 she says it was a video that was responsible for the deaths of those men in Benghazi.

And a second video of proof that Hillary blamed the attack on a video is here at approximately :30

I have no idea why you are making up stories about those families "lying" unless you choose to lie to support Hillary. That's on you if you are willing to lie for that reason. But these links show clearly that you are lying.

Obama blames it on the video in this link where he goes on and on about the video that got those men in Benghazi killed:

Again, if you choose to lie about it, @Spamature , that's not my problem. But I do want it noted that you are lying and here it is with links offering proof of that.

 

[Dawg]

But this thread is meant to compare the to potential new leader of the Republican party Donald J Trump.
word salad

Let's see how they stand up to each other. I still have his far right website accusations to address.

Then it's TrumpZilla's turn.

good to see top post Call Outs is ok now................

 

[Dawg]

I believe I was fair and where I disagreed I linked to or explained where I believe it is over the line to call it a lie. I am not disagree that Clinton has lied. I just believe the extent to which you post says she lied is wrong.

Whether it was steak or wine or aircraft carriers is not what is so striking about Trump's lies in that video. It was the total disrespect shown the American people and especially his own supporters with the way he did it. All that mattered to him was to being able to be the big man at that moment and screw what ever comes after. If that is the way he wants to do business then that is on him. But you can not treat a nation of 300 million people looking for a new leader as if they suckers you are scam for a few buck.

HELL NO !

Θ did it and sold ΘbamaCare that is a total failure and 46% of Americans disapprove of it and it's dying in it's own scam.

 

[Dawg]

Yes. She did and here it is. At approximately 1:10 she says it was a video that was responsible for the deaths of those men in Benghazi.

And a second video of proof that Hillary blamed the attack on a video is here at approximately :30

I have no idea why you are making up stories about those families "lying" unless you choose to lie to support Hillary. That's on you if you are willing to lie for that reason. But these links show clearly that you are lying.

He'll still say it's not true.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

Where does she ever SPECIFICALLY mention the attack on Benghazi was because of the video. When I look for her saying that specifically I fail to find it. It seems as if you are unaware of the protest that took place around the world because of this video.

Here is a video showing that there were worldwide protest. Notice the crawl at the bottom does list violent incident that had taken place because of that video.

Please link me to her specifically saying the attack on Benghazi was the fault of the video.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...orist_attack_but_not_the_american_people.html

 

[Jen]

He'll still say it's not true.

He has made his choice and it is to lie.
It's not our problem, Dawg, but it clearly shows for all to see what kind of person he is.

 

[Spamature]

Yes. She did and here it is. At approximately 1:10 she says it was a video that was responsible for the deaths of those men in Benghazi.

And a second video of proof that Hillary blamed the attack on a video is here at approximately :30

I have no idea why you are making up stories about those families "lying" unless you choose to lie to support Hillary. That's on you if you are willing to lie for that reason. But these links show clearly that you are lying.

Obama blames it on the video in this link:

Post the time at which in any of those videos you posted where Benghazi is specifically mentioned in relationship to the Innocents of Muslims video. You are ignoring the fact that, that anti Muslim video caused world wide protest and violence. I posted a video showing the protest and violence from around the world in this very thread. Now it is up to you to back up what you say or to stop saying it. Calling someone a lair while lying yourself is worse than if the person you're accusing had actually lied.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

JORDAN: Here's what -- here's what I think that -- here's what I think is going on. Here's what I think's going on.

Let me show you one more slide. Again, this is from Victoria Nuland, your press person. She says to Jake Sullivan, Philippe Reines. Subject line reads this: Romney's Statement on Libya.

E-mail says, "This is what Ben was talking about." I assume Ben is the now-somewhat-famous Ben Rhodes, author of the talking points memo. This e-mail's at 10:35, 27 minutes after your 10:08 -- 27 minutes after you've told everyone it's a video, while Americans are still fighting because the attack's still going on, your top people are talking politics.

It seems to me that night you had three options, Secretary. You could tell the truth, like you did with your family, like you did with the Libyan president, like you did with the Egyptian prime minister -- tell them it was a terrorist attack.

You could say, "you know what, we're not quite sure. Don't -- don't really know for sure." I don't -- I don't think the evidence -- I think it's all in the person (ph) -- but you could have done that.

But you picked the third option. You picked the video narrative. You picked the one with no evidence. And you did it because Libya was supposed to be -- and Mr. Roskam pointed out, this great success story for the Obama White House and the Clinton State Department.

And a key campaign theme that year was GM's alive, bin Laden's dead, Al Qaida's on the run. And now you have a terrorist attack, and it's a terrorist attack in Libya, and it's just 56 days before an election.

You can live with a protest about a video. That won't hurt you. But a terrorist attack will. So you can't be square with the American people. You tell your family it's a terrorist attack, but not the American people. You can tell the president of Libya it's a terrorist attack, but not the American people. And you can tell the Egyptian prime minister it's a terrorist attack, but you can't tell your own people the truth.

Madam Secretary, Americans can live with the fact that good people sometimes give their lives for this country. They don't like it. They mourn for those families. They pray for those families.

But they can live with it. But what they can't take, what they can't live with, is when their government's not square with them.

Mr. Chairman, I yield back

 

[Dawg]

He has made his choice and it is to lie.
It's not our problem, Dawg, but it clearly shows for all to see what kind of person he is.

and the fool did it just below your post, facts don't matter to liars as him and since topic is Hil Liar, check this out:

http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/03/o...journalist-accidentally-calls-hillary-monica/

ROTFLMAO