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How Putin Celebrates Christmas

RickWA said:
Yawn... Still more anti-semitism.

BTW: As a Christian, I believe I need to inform you that Christ Himself was a Jew. Pretty tough to hold Jews as a group responsible for His crucifixion.
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It was very tough on the young church to hold the Jews responsible for Jesus death, but they adamantly did so, anyway. Unanimously.
 
Days said:
It was very tough on the young church to hold the Jews responsible for Jesus death, but they adamantly did so, anyway. Unanimously.
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As the story goes, they chose Barabbas over Christ, which is why they held the Jews responsible. Christ wasn't 'taking over' as king and throwing out the Romans, so they turned their backs on him.
 
Truthiseternal1 said:
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I don't believe the mass held for Christ has anything to do with Christ, it is the birth day of the new sun, or, as it were, the annual return of the sun to its strength. (in the northern hemisphere)

But I find it totally amazing to see Russian leaders returning to their orthodox Christian roots. Maybe they have rejected the atheistic state planted by the Bolsheviks? (Bolsheviks were funded by the Warburgs)

How many Christians did the Bolsheviks murder? 100 million? That's who Hitler was fighting against. FDR was a communist, he teamed up with Stalin, maybe the scariest man to ever live. Stalin would not sleep, he would stay up all night, choosing out another 1000 men to be killed by the state. He executed like 40 million Christians during his time in power.

So here now is a former head of the KGB, in total power, and he's Christian? wow
 
Days said:
I don't believe the mass held for Christ has anything to do with Christ, it is the birth day of the new sun, or, as it were, the annual return of the sun to its strength. (in the northern hemisphere)

But I find it totally amazing to see Russian leaders returning to their orthodox Christian roots. Maybe they have rejected the atheistic state planted by the Bolsheviks? (Bolsheviks were funded by the Warburgs)

How many Christians did the Bolsheviks murder? 100 million? That's who Hitler was fighting against. FDR was a communist, he teamed up with Stalin, maybe the scariest man to ever live. Stalin would not sleep, he would stay up all night, choosing out another 1000 men to be killed by the state. He executed like 40 million Christians during his time in power.

So here now is a former head of the KGB, in total power, and he's Christian? wow
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Actually Stalin, a Georgian Orthodox, was tolerant of religion.

Stalin was raised in the Georgian Orthodox faith,[citation needed] but later gave it up. Stalin had a complex relationship with religious institutions in the Soviet Union.[358] Historians Vladislav Zubok and Constantine Pleshakov have suggested that "[Stalin's] atheism remained rooted in some vague idea of a God of nature."[359]

During the Second World War, Stalin reopened the churches. One reason could have been to motivate the majority of the population, who had Christian beliefs. The reasoning behind this is that by changing the official policy of the party and the state towards religion, the Church and its clergymen could be at his disposal in mobilizing the war effort. On 4 September 1943, Stalin invited Metropolitan Sergius, Metropolitan Alexius and Metropolitan Nicholas to the Kremlin and proposed to reestablish the Moscow Patriarchate, which had been suspended since 1925, and elect the Patriarch. On 8 September 1943, Metropolitan Sergius was elected patriarch.

The CPSU Central Committee continued to promote atheism and the elimination of religion during the remainder of Stalin's lifetime after the 1943 concordat.[360] Stalin's greater tolerance for religion after 1943 was limited by party machinations. Whether persecutions after World War II were more aimed at certain sections of society over and above detractors is disputed.
 
Wahbooz said:
Actually Stalin, a Georgian Orthodox, was tolerant of religion.

Stalin was raised in the Georgian Orthodox faith,[citation needed] but later gave it up. Stalin had a complex relationship with religious institutions in the Soviet Union.[358] Historians Vladislav Zubok and Constantine Pleshakov have suggested that "[Stalin's] atheism remained rooted in some vague idea of a God of nature."[359]

During the Second World War, Stalin reopened the churches. One reason could have been to motivate the majority of the population, who had Christian beliefs. The reasoning behind this is that by changing the official policy of the party and the state towards religion, the Church and its clergymen could be at his disposal in mobilizing the war effort. On 4 September 1943, Stalin invited Metropolitan Sergius, Metropolitan Alexius and Metropolitan Nicholas to the Kremlin and proposed to reestablish the Moscow Patriarchate, which had been suspended since 1925, and elect the Patriarch. On 8 September 1943, Metropolitan Sergius was elected patriarch.

The CPSU Central Committee continued to promote atheism and the elimination of religion during the remainder of Stalin's lifetime after the 1943 concordat.[360] Stalin's greater tolerance for religion after 1943 was limited by party machinations. Whether persecutions after World War II were more aimed at certain sections of society over and above detractors is disputed.
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strange.
but interesting.

I'm quite sure that any actual return to orthodox Christianity would have happened after the USSR collapsed. But I'm not aware that any such renaissance has happened there. But seeing Putin celebrating Christmas... something must be going on there.
 
Days said:
strange.
but interesting.

I'm quite sure that any actual return to orthodox Christianity would have happened after the USSR collapsed. But I'm not aware that any such renaissance has happened there. But seeing Putin celebrating Christmas... something must be going on there.
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Putin delegalized both The Church and communism and put the breaks on the Oligarchs - people who know Russia well say that, it was only Putin's genius which saved Russia from a civil war.

There is a movement against The Church but it is the Church which has filled the gap in helping those poor who have come about through Yeltins' terrible mis-management, which allowed the Oligarchs to buy up Russia.
 
Wahbooz said:
As the story goes, they chose Barabbas over Christ, which is why they held the Jews responsible. Christ wasn't 'taking over' as king and throwing out the Romans, so they turned their backs on him.
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It is a Jewish religion, crafted and written by Jews whose were initiates in the Mysteries and written making fun of and against Orthodox Judaism. Jesus is their man-god. When Rome decided to dogmatize it ( long story) they also took in the traits of their gods ie Mithras and Dionysus - the gods became the saints - the goddess disappeared - God the son and the holy ghost ( the last initiation was with air) instead of god, goddess and son.
 
Days said:
It was very tough on the young church to hold the Jews responsible for Jesus death, but they adamantly did so, anyway. Unanimously.
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And they were clearly WRONG to do so. It was our base, sinful nature that led to His death. It was at once unquestioned indictment of who we are without Him and perfect, complete victory over that very thing.

Jews, Romans, whatever - it doesn't matter and it misses the point entirely...to the utter delight of the enemy.
 
Queen Titania said:
It is a Jewish religion, crafted and written by Jews whose were initiates in the Mysteries and written making fun of and against Orthodox Judaism. Jesus is their man-god. When Rome decided to dogmatize it ( long story) they also took in the traits of their gods ie Mithras and Dionysus - the gods became the saints - the goddess disappeared - God the son and the holy ghost ( the last initiation was with air) instead of god, goddess and son.
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:-/
 
RickWA said:
And they were clearly WRONG to do so. It was our base, sinful nature that led to His death. It was at once unquestioned indictment of who we are without Him and perfect, complete victory over that very thing.

Jews, Romans, whatever - it doesn't matter and it misses the point entirely...to the utter delight of the enemy.
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The enemy-----is that the same guy that Dr. Ben Carson says was whispering in Charlie Darwin's ear, Rick?
 
RickWA said:
And they were clearly WRONG to do so. It was our base, sinful nature that led to His death. It was at once unquestioned indictment of who we are without Him and perfect, complete victory over that very thing.

Jews, Romans, whatever - it doesn't matter and it misses the point entirely...to the utter delight of the enemy.
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Jesus is a man-god, so he is us. The aim is to find the Christ in ourselves.
 
Queen Titania said:
Jesus is a man-god, so he is us. The aim is to find the Christ in ourselves.
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Not exactly. The aim is to embrace He who is in us rather than our mere selves. It's not a distinction without a difference. But I won't launch into theology in a political forum. :)
 
RickWA said:
Not exactly. The aim is to embrace He who is in us rather than our mere selves. It's not a distinction without a difference. But I won't launch into theology in a political forum. :)
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We can do it in religion but I am rather tired of arguing the true roots of Christianity ---- so do not venture there any more.
 
RickWA said:
Merry Christmas, QT. I hope you have a great holiday! :)
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Lol Merry Christmas again darling - I am off up to London on Thursday to spend Christmas with my daughter - though we shall spend most of it concentrating on her play, I suspect, it will be lovely being away for a few days, with her, and able to just hop on a bus to see friends and be in the heart of it - You?
 
Queen Titania said:
Lol Merry Christmas again darling - I am off up to London on Thursday to spend Christmas with my daughter - though we shall spend most of it concentrating on her play, I suspect, it will be lovely being away for a few days, with her, and able to just hop on a bus to see friends and be in the heart of it - You?
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Family "immersion". Is there anything better? My oldest is home from college for a few weeks, the two younger ones are posturing for payload (gifts). All is right with the world. (Well, the really important stuff anyway). :)
 
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