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I agree with Occasional-Cortex (Ocasio-Cortez) that College should be virtually free

resident_evil

resident_evil

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Except it is because college should be on the internet (pun intended).

Any university public or private that accepts government money should be forced to accept internet credit for courses such as: biology, calculus, statistics, chemistry, organic, physics, electronics, programming, biochemistry, mechanics, and the like that can be tested for at off site centers and given a hard and unambiguous rating.

Up to 80% of graduation credits should be required to be taken towards a degree from that college. Labs courses would need to be taken on campus. And this would only apply to undergrad degrees.
 
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Would cut into the $1.5T student loan debt and would be a truly merit based system. If someone self-taught themselves 80% of their college degree (in STEM particularly) that would be an impressive intellectual achievement that would be more worthy of being hired.
 
Amen to that. Colleges should give degrees in STEM only and there should not be teachers. The kids should get a book and teach themselves. The "teachers" would only be there to administer tests.

When gutenberg invented the printing press, teachers should have immediately become obsolete.
 
resident_evil said:
Would cut into the $1.5T student loan debt and would be a truly merit based system. If someone self-taught themselves 80% of their college degree (in STEM particularly) that would be an impressive intellectual achievement that would be more worthy of being hired.
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make speed limit 45 said:
Amen to that. Colleges should give degrees in STEM only and there should not be teachers. The kids should get a book and teach themselves. The "teachers" would only be there to administer tests.

When gutenberg invented the printing press, teachers should have immediately become obsolete.
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I agree.

Actual learning (especially in upper levels) is a solitary experience for the most part.
 
make speed limit 45 said:
Amen to that. Colleges should give degrees in STEM only and there should not be teachers. The kids should get a book and teach themselves. The "teachers" would only be there to administer tests.

When gutenberg invented the printing press, teachers should have immediately become obsolete.
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Are you pulling sarcasm? Cause I could respond w/o sarcasm usefully either way. I just don't know what you mean.
 
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resident_evil said:
It can be. Should it be? At least it would be economically accessible to virtually everybody.
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Lab courses were mentioned. Those need chemicals and other things one can't use just online. Some courses involved building things with heavy-grade machinery.

Basic core courses should ALL be taught online. There is no reason I can think of for those basics not to be taught online. Some full degrees should be available online.

Furthermore, I believe that classroom teaching should be done by the time a child reaches 13 and everything else........... is on his/her own. All the basics are learned by then. No need for face to face stuff.
 
Jen said:
Lab courses were mentioned. Those need chemicals and other things one can't use just online. Some courses involved building things with heavy-grade machinery.
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Absolutely correct.

Basic core courses should ALL be taught online. There is no reason I can think of for those basics not to be taught online. Some full degrees should be available online.[/QUOTE]

I think most people would do 50 to 60% online and then want to participate in that college campus experience that in fact does have an intangible educational value. I think even adult education would benefit from some on campus participation. I would also hope that those who could afford it would have that full 4 year experience that does make lifelong friends and enduring professional contacts.

That said I think full degrees should mostly only be available to convicts sitting in prison.
 
Jen said:
Furthermore, I believe that classroom teaching should be done by the time a child reaches 13 and everything else........... is on his/her own. All the basics are learned by then. No need for face to face stuff.
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Yup - schools are useful for teaching the very young how to read. After that the kid should use books and the internet to teach himself. Minorities oppose that because they think of school as free day care and free meals.
 
resident_evil said:
Except it is because college should be on the internet (pun intended).

Any university public or private that accepts government money should be forced to accept internet credit for courses such as: biology, calculus, statistics, chemistry, organic, physics, electronics, programming, biochemistry, mechanics, and the like that can be tested for at off site centers and given a hard and unambiguous rating.

Up to 80% of graduation credits should be required to be taken towards a degree from that college. Labs courses would need to be taken on campus. And this would only apply to undergrad degrees.
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what is an internet credit?
 
resident_evil said:
Would cut into the $1.5T student loan debt and would be a truly merit based system. If someone self-taught themselves 80% of their college degree (in STEM particularly) that would be an impressive intellectual achievement that would be more worthy of being hired.
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There are a bunch of different learning styles i.e Audio, Visual, Kinesthetic, Etc. None of them are right or wrong. To maximize society's education you would need to cater to each and everyone's individual learning style.
I am not saying internet college is wrong, but it isn't a silver bullet either.
 
resident_evil said:
Except it is because college should be on the internet (pun intended).

Any university public or private that accepts government money should be forced to accept internet credit for courses such as: biology, calculus, statistics, chemistry, organic, physics, electronics, programming, biochemistry, mechanics, and the like that can be tested for at off site centers and given a hard and unambiguous rating.

Up to 80% of graduation credits should be required to be taken towards a degree from that college. Labs courses would need to be taken on campus. And this would only apply to undergrad degrees.
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Also, who is going to pay for this "free education". It still cost money to put on online classes. Are you talking about a tax increase?
 
ObamacareForever said:
Also, who is going to pay for this "free education". It still cost money to put on online classes. Are you talking about a tax increase?
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Of course much of the Pell Grants could be transferred to the endeavor, right?

How much do you think it would cost to set up the curriculum of free textbooks, free online lectures, and free "facebook" student study commons? Most of which wouldn't have to be refreshed but every 8-10 years (organic chemistry of 1989 is the same organic chemistry of 2019) Of course the testing would have to be at proctored testing centers and reasonable student fees would cover that cost.

They have a testing algorithm that can test you to within a 99% percent certainty of your knowledge in as few as 7 to 10 questions. You get an easy question, then a harder one. You get that one right you get a harder one. Fail that one you get an easier one. In 7 to 10 questions they can determine your degree of knowledge in a matter. You could get up to 20, 30, or 50 questions if you'd like.


NO TAX INCREASE NEEDED!!!
 
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