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I was doing opposition research...

... when I stumbled across this well written article. We Americans know the real problem and we are getting sick and tired of it. One more reflex move to take guns from the Bible-n-gun clingers and the bum gets it. I'm tired of what I'm paying for ammo and that alone is a call to action.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/america-doesnt-have-a-gun-problem-it-has-a-gang-problem/

America Doesn’t Have a Gun Problem, It Has a Gang Problem

Posted By Daniel Greenfield On December 31, 2012 @ 12:50 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage | 206 Comments

Chicago’s murder numbers have hit that magic 500. Baltimore’s murder toll has passed 200. In Philly, it’s up to 324, the highest since 2007. In Detroit, it’s approaching 400, another record. In New Orleans, it’s almost at 200. New York City is down to 414 from 508. In Los Angeles, it’s over 500. In St. Louis it’s 113 and 130 in Oakland. It’s 121 in Memphis and 76 in Birmingham.

Washington, D.C., home of the boys and girls who can solve it all, is nearing its own big 100.

Those 12 cities alone account for nearly 3,200 dead and nearly a quarter of all murders in the United States. And we haven’t even visited sunny Atlanta or chilly Cleveland.

These cities are the heartland of America’s real gun culture. It isn’t the bitter gun-and-bible clingers in McCain and Romney territory who are racking up a more horrifying annual kill rate than Al Qaeda; it’s Obama’s own voting base.

Chicago, where Obama delivered his victory speech, has homicide numbers that match all of Japan and are higher than Spain, Poland and pre-war Syria. If Chicago gets any worse, it will find itself passing the number of murders for the entire country of Canada.

Chicago’s murder rate of 15.65 per 100,000 people looks nothing like the American 4.2 rate, the Midwestern 4.5 or the Illinois’ 5.6 rates, but it does look like the murder rates in failed countries like Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe. To achieve Chicago’s murder rate, African countries usually have to experience a bloody genocidal civil war or decades of tyranny.

But Chicago isn’t even all that unique. Or the worst case scenario. That would be New Orleans which at an incredible 72.8 murder rate is ten times higher than the national average. If New Orleans were a country, it would have the 2nd highest murder rate in the world, beating out El Salvador.

Louisiana went red for Romney 58 to 40, but Orleans Parish went blue for Obama 80 to 17.

St. Louis has a murder rate just a little lower than Belize. Baltimore has a worse murder rate than South Africa and Detroit has a worse murder rate than Colombia. Obama won both St. Louis and Baltimore by comfortable margins. He won Detroit’s Wayne County 73 to 26.

Homicide rates like these show that something is broken, but it isn’t broken among the Romney voters rushing to stock up on assault rifles every time Obama begins threatening their right to buy them; it’s broken among Obama’s base.

Any serious conversation about gun violence and gun culture has to begin at home; in Chicago, in Baltimore, in New York City, in Los Angeles and in Washington, D.C.

Voting for Obama does not make people innately homicidal. Just look at Seattle which is agonizing over its 26 murders. That’s about the same number of murders as East St. Louis which has only 27,000 people to Seattle’s 620,000.

So what is happening in Chicago to drive it to the gates of hell ahead of Zimbabwe and Rwanda?

A breakdown of the Chicago killing fields shows that 83% of those murdered in Chicago last year had criminal records. In Philly, it’s 75%. In Milwaukee it’s 77% percent. In New Orleans, it’s 64%. In Baltimore, it’s 91%. Many were felons who had served time. And as many as 80% of the homicides were gang related.

Chicago’s problem isn’t guns; it’s gangs. Gun control efforts in Chicago or any other major city are doomed because gangs represent organized crime networks which stretch down to Mexico, and trying to cut off their gun supply will be as effective as trying to cut off their drug supply.

America’s murder rate isn’t the work of the suburban and rural homeowners who shop for guns at sporting goods stores and at gun shows, and whom news shows profile after every shooting, but by the gangs embedded in the urban areas controlled by the Democratic machine. The gangs who drive up America’s murder rate look nothing like the occasional mentally ill suburban white kid who goes off his medication and decides to shoot up a school. Lanza, like most serial killers, is a media aberration, not the norm.

National murder statistics show that blacks are far more likely to be killers than whites and they are also far more likely to be killed. The single largest cause of homicides is the argument. 4th on the list is juvenile gang activity with 676 murders, which combined with various flavors of gangland killings takes us nearly to the 1,000 mark. America has more gangland murders than Sierra Leone, Eritrea and Puerto Rico have murders.

Our national murder rate is not some incomprehensible mystery that can only be attributed to the inanimate tools, the steel, brass and wood that do the work. It is largely the work of adult males from age 18 to 39 with criminal records killing other males of that same age and criminal past.

If this were going on in Rwanda, El Salvador or Sierra Leone, we would have no trouble knowing what to make of it, and silly pearl-clutching nonsense about gun control would never even come up. But this is Chicago, it’s Baltimore, it’s Philly and NOLA; and so we refuse to see that our major cities are in the same boat as some of the worst trouble spots in the world.

Lanza and Newtown are comforting aberrations. They allow us to take refuge in the fantasy that homicides in America are the work of the occasional serial killer practicing his dark art in one of those perfect small towns that always show up in murder mysteries or Stephen King novels. They fool us into thinking that there is something American about our murder rate that can be traced to hunting season, patriotism and bad mothers.

But go to Chicago or Baltimore. Go where the killings really happen and the illusion comes apart.

There is a war going on in America between gangs of young men who bear an uncanny resemblance to their counterparts in Sierra Leone or El Salvador. They live like them, they fight for control of the streets like them and they kill like them.

America’s horrific murder rate is a result of the transformation of major American cities into Sierra Leone, Somalia, Rwanda and El Salvador. Our murder rate now largely consists of criminals killing criminals.

As David Kennedy, the head of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control, put it, “The majority of homicide victims have extensive criminal histories. This is simply the way that the world of criminal homicide works. It’s a fact.”

America is, on a county by county basis, not a violent country, just as it, on a county by county basis, did not vote for Obama. It is being dragged down by broken cities full of broken families whose mayors would like to trash the Bill of Rights for the entire country in the vain hope that national gun control will save their cities, even though gun control is likely to be as much help to Chicago or New Orleans as the War on Drugs.

Obama’s pretense that there needs to be a national conversation about rural American gun owners is a dishonest and cynical ploy that distracts attention from the real problem that he and politicians like him have sat on for generations.

We do not need to have a conversation about the NRA. We need to have a conversation about Chicago.
 
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I find it interesting how every time we look at gun crime numbers, it is typically jurisdictions with oppressive gun laws that have the highest crime rates.

It makes it difficult to believe that liberals aren't simply wanting to disarm the people to further empower the federal government.

And who but the dumbest of the dumb or flat out communists would want to do that?
 
I find it interesting how every time we look at gun crime numbers, it is typically jurisdictions with oppressive gun laws that have the highest crime rates.

It makes it difficult to believe that liberals aren't simply wanting to disarm the people to further empower the federal government.

And who but the dumbest of the dumb or flat out communists would want to do that?
And now the revenuers are coming for my insulin pump, my pepcid ac, my cummadin, my methadone, my ru-486, my codeine, my appendectomy and holding it all over my head. Dang nabbit. Shoot 'em before they catch the 'shine. :0)
 
... when I stumbled across this well written article. We Americans know the real problem and we are getting sick and tired of it. One more reflex move to take guns from the Bible-n-gun clingers and the bum gets it. I'm tired of what I'm paying for ammo and that alone is a call to action.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/america-doesnt-have-a-gun-problem-it-has-a-gang-problem/

America Doesn’t Have a Gun Problem, It Has a Gang Problem

Posted By Daniel Greenfield On December 31, 2012 @ 12:50 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage | 206 Comments

Chicago’s murder numbers have hit that magic 500. Baltimore’s murder toll has passed 200. In Philly, it’s up to 324, the highest since 2007. In Detroit, it’s approaching 400, another record. In New Orleans, it’s almost at 200. New York City is down to 414 from 508. In Los Angeles, it’s over 500. In St. Louis it’s 113 and 130 in Oakland. It’s 121 in Memphis and 76 in Birmingham.

Washington, D.C., home of the boys and girls who can solve it all, is nearing its own big 100.

Those 12 cities alone account for nearly 3,200 dead and nearly a quarter of all murders in the United States. And we haven’t even visited sunny Atlanta or chilly Cleveland.

These cities are the heartland of America’s real gun culture. It isn’t the bitter gun-and-bible clingers in McCain and Romney territory who are racking up a more horrifying annual kill rate than Al Qaeda; it’s Obama’s own voting base.

Chicago, where Obama delivered his victory speech, has homicide numbers that match all of Japan and are higher than Spain, Poland and pre-war Syria. If Chicago gets any worse, it will find itself passing the number of murders for the entire country of Canada.

Chicago’s murder rate of 15.65 per 100,000 people looks nothing like the American 4.2 rate, the Midwestern 4.5 or the Illinois’ 5.6 rates, but it does look like the murder rates in failed countries like Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe. To achieve Chicago’s murder rate, African countries usually have to experience a bloody genocidal civil war or decades of tyranny.

But Chicago isn’t even all that unique. Or the worst case scenario. That would be New Orleans which at an incredible 72.8 murder rate is ten times higher than the national average. If New Orleans were a country, it would have the 2nd highest murder rate in the world, beating out El Salvador.

Louisiana went red for Romney 58 to 40, but Orleans Parish went blue for Obama 80 to 17.

St. Louis has a murder rate just a little lower than Belize. Baltimore has a worse murder rate than South Africa and Detroit has a worse murder rate than Colombia. Obama won both St. Louis and Baltimore by comfortable margins. He won Detroit’s Wayne County 73 to 26.

Homicide rates like these show that something is broken, but it isn’t broken among the Romney voters rushing to stock up on assault rifles every time Obama begins threatening their right to buy them; it’s broken among Obama’s base.

Any serious conversation about gun violence and gun culture has to begin at home; in Chicago, in Baltimore, in New York City, in Los Angeles and in Washington, D.C.

Voting for Obama does not make people innately homicidal. Just look at Seattle which is agonizing over its 26 murders. That’s about the same number of murders as East St. Louis which has only 27,000 people to Seattle’s 620,000.

So what is happening in Chicago to drive it to the gates of hell ahead of Zimbabwe and Rwanda?

A breakdown of the Chicago killing fields shows that 83% of those murdered in Chicago last year had criminal records. In Philly, it’s 75%. In Milwaukee it’s 77% percent. In New Orleans, it’s 64%. In Baltimore, it’s 91%. Many were felons who had served time. And as many as 80% of the homicides were gang related.

Chicago’s problem isn’t guns; it’s gangs. Gun control efforts in Chicago or any other major city are doomed because gangs represent organized crime networks which stretch down to Mexico, and trying to cut off their gun supply will be as effective as trying to cut off their drug supply.

America’s murder rate isn’t the work of the suburban and rural homeowners who shop for guns at sporting goods stores and at gun shows, and whom news shows profile after every shooting, but by the gangs embedded in the urban areas controlled by the Democratic machine. The gangs who drive up America’s murder rate look nothing like the occasional mentally ill suburban white kid who goes off his medication and decides to shoot up a school. Lanza, like most serial killers, is a media aberration, not the norm.

National murder statistics show that blacks are far more likely to be killers than whites and they are also far more likely to be killed. The single largest cause of homicides is the argument. 4th on the list is juvenile gang activity with 676 murders, which combined with various flavors of gangland killings takes us nearly to the 1,000 mark. America has more gangland murders than Sierra Leone, Eritrea and Puerto Rico have murders.

Our national murder rate is not some incomprehensible mystery that can only be attributed to the inanimate tools, the steel, brass and wood that do the work. It is largely the work of adult males from age 18 to 39 with criminal records killing other males of that same age and criminal past.

If this were going on in Rwanda, El Salvador or Sierra Leone, we would have no trouble knowing what to make of it, and silly pearl-clutching nonsense about gun control would never even come up. But this is Chicago, it’s Baltimore, it’s Philly and NOLA; and so we refuse to see that our major cities are in the same boat as some of the worst trouble spots in the world.

Lanza and Newtown are comforting aberrations. They allow us to take refuge in the fantasy that homicides in America are the work of the occasional serial killer practicing his dark art in one of those perfect small towns that always show up in murder mysteries or Stephen King novels. They fool us into thinking that there is something American about our murder rate that can be traced to hunting season, patriotism and bad mothers.

But go to Chicago or Baltimore. Go where the killings really happen and the illusion comes apart.

There is a war going on in America between gangs of young men who bear an uncanny resemblance to their counterparts in Sierra Leone or El Salvador. They live like them, they fight for control of the streets like them and they kill like them.

America’s horrific murder rate is a result of the transformation of major American cities into Sierra Leone, Somalia, Rwanda and El Salvador. Our murder rate now largely consists of criminals killing criminals.

As David Kennedy, the head of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control, put it, “The majority of homicide victims have extensive criminal histories. This is simply the way that the world of criminal homicide works. It’s a fact.”

America is, on a county by county basis, not a violent country, just as it, on a county by county basis, did not vote for Obama. It is being dragged down by broken cities full of broken families whose mayors would like to trash the Bill of Rights for the entire country in the vain hope that national gun control will save their cities, even though gun control is likely to be as much help to Chicago or New Orleans as the War on Drugs.

Obama’s pretense that there needs to be a national conversation about rural American gun owners is a dishonest and cynical ploy that distracts attention from the real problem that he and politicians like him have sat on for generations.

We do not need to have a conversation about the NRA. We need to have a conversation about Chicago.

Good post....
 
It's just a cut and paste...unattributed, of course....


http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/america-doesnt-have-a-gun-problem-it-has-a-gang-problem/

While still not good, Baltimore's murders are about half of what they were 10 years ago. Same with Chicago.

Regardless, I have argued that gangs are the major problem, especially in Chicago, for years. That...and the drug war that makes the trade lucrative for the gangs.

I know it's just a C&P, but the author of the article is dead on.... All this focus on creating laws to restrict the activities of people like me and trap, and others like us, while ignoring the actual problem, is dishonest and unethical. The people who are advocating these laws don't give a damn about violent crime, and we aren't the source of it anyway; they just want to put the screws to folks they don't like. It makes it hard to have anything but contempt for them when they're such obvious whining little bitches....
 
I know it's just a C&P, but the author of the article is dead on.... All this focus on creating laws to restrict the activities of people like me and trap, and others like us, while ignoring the actual problem, is dishonest and unethical. The people who are advocating these laws don't give a damn about violent crime, and we aren't the source of it anyway; they just want to put the screws to folks they don't like. It makes it hard to have anything but contempt for them when they're such obvious whining little bitches....

So...it isn't a "good post". It's a stolen and unattributed post from nearly a year ago.

The "focus" is what the papers report...because crime sells, peace does not.

I saw no mention that the crime rate is down, the murder rate is down...and violent crime rates are down...yet you see it as "dead on". Nice choice of phrase there, btw.
 
So...it isn't a "good post". It's a stolen and unattributed post from nearly a year ago.

The "focus" is what the papers report...because crime sells, peace does not.

I saw no mention that the crime rate is down, the murder rate is down...and violent crime rates are down...yet you see it as "dead on". Nice choice of phrase there, btw.

"America is, on a county by county basis, not a violent country, just as it, on a county by county basis, did not vote for Obama. It is being dragged down by broken cities full of broken families whose mayors would like to trash the Bill of Rights for the entire country in the vain hope that national gun control will save their cities, even though gun control is likely to be as much help to Chicago or New Orleans as the War on Drugs."
It doesn't seem as though the author is claiming that crime is up, or even that crime is bad, outside of a few core shitholes.....
BTW, how is it "unattributed"? He included a link to the article in the TP....
 
"America is, on a county by county basis, not a violent country, just as it, on a county by county basis, did not vote for Obama. It is being dragged down by broken cities full of broken families whose mayors would like to trash the Bill of Rights for the entire country in the vain hope that national gun control will save their cities, even though gun control is likely to be as much help to Chicago or New Orleans as the War on Drugs."
It doesn't seem as though the author is claiming that crime is up, or even that crime is bad, outside of a few core shitholes.....
BTW, how is it "unattributed"? He included a link to the article in the TP....

I apparently require more coffee...I just went to the body and ignored the top part. My bad.

As crime rates are down...in every city mentioned...what are the reasons? Can you be certain that gun control hasn't been effective when murders are around half of what they were 20 years ago?
 
I apparently require more coffee...I just went to the body and ignored the top part. My bad.

As crime rates are down...in every city mentioned...what are the reasons? Can you be certain that gun control hasn't been effective when murders are around half of what they were 20 years ago?
Well if they're working, then why the frantic calls for more? Why all the hysterical screeching since January that "We MUST DO SOMETHING!!!!!"?
 
So...you admit they are working?
They are working at discouraging regular folks from buying guns; they don't slow the bangers down at all... there is an entire generation in these metro areas who think of guns as a form of contraband, because they've been conditioned to think that way. When those folks move to an area that isn't a shithole, they tend to be shocked at how common firearms really are among people who aren't criminal shitbags. After all, they've been taught all their lives that only bad guys have guns....
 
They are working at discouraging regular folks from buying guns; they don't slow the bangers down at all... there is an entire generation in these metro areas who think of guns as a form of contraband, because they've been conditioned to think that way. When those folks move to an area that isn't a shithole, they tend to be shocked at how common firearms really are among people who aren't criminal shitbags. After all, they've been taught all their lives that only bad guys have guns....

Don't slow down the bangers at all...yet murders are down from historic highs.

Contradictory.
 
Don't slow down the bangers at all...yet murders are down from historic highs.

Contradictory.
The bangers still have and can get guns; they just aren't shooting each other as much. Is that a problem? Who cares what weapons someone has if they aren't shooting anyone?
 
The bangers still have and can get guns; they just aren't shooting each other as much. Is that a problem? Who cares what weapons someone has if they aren't shooting anyone?

So...today's bangers are simply more polite than those of the past?

See, the trouble is...gun proponents are trying to say gun control does not work....yet murder rates are lower since gun control policies. Yes...cities are violent places in general, some more than others. Baltimore had a few years of 400+ murders...so, in comparison, 200+ is quite an improvement. But hey...it's just a better group of bangers, clearly.
 
So...today's bangers are simply more polite than those of the past?

See, the trouble is...gun proponents are trying to say gun control does not work....yet murder rates are lower since gun control policies. Yes...cities are violent places in general, some more than others. Baltimore had a few years of 400+ murders...so, in comparison, 200+ is quite an improvement. But hey...it's just a better group of bangers, clearly.
You ever think that most of the drug territory disputes have been settled, and some of the most violent G's are in jail or dead? People like their crime organized, just like anything else.... Nature abhors a vacuum.
 
You ever think that most of the drug territory disputes have been settled, and some of the most violent G's are in jail or dead? People like their crime organized, just like anything else.... Nature abhors a vacuum.

So...tell us about the Baltimore drug families and turf wars, as you know so much about them.

Didja ever think...If the biggest baddest g's are dead...how is the turf settled? If the biggest baddest are down, wouldn't that spur a battle between the lieutenants?
 
So...tell us about the Baltimore drug families and turf wars, as you know so much about them.

Didja ever think...If the biggest baddest g's are dead...how is the turf settled? If the biggest baddest are down, wouldn't that spur a battle between the lieutenants?

The most violent get killed the fastest, or they get set up to fall; the most politically adept rise to the top in any organization. You need to re-read "The Prince" by Machiavelli.... or do a couple decades in the military, it's just like a mafia.
 
The most violent get killed the fastest, or they get set up to fall; the most politically adept rise to the top in any organization. You need to re-read "The Prince" by Machiavelli.... or do a couple decades in the military, it's just like a mafia.

There is always another biggest baddest most violent dude.

I mean...I've heard tales of a super duper uber macho soldier daring other soldiers to even try and put cuffs on them. :cool:
 
There is always another biggest baddest most violent dude.

I mean...I've heard tales of a super duper uber macho soldier daring other soldiers to even try and put cuffs on them. :cool:
We're getting off topic, but has it occurred to you that that was a political thing? That my question of who he was going to get to do it, highlighted to him the fact that I had a lot more support on that KOP than he did, irregardless of our respective ranks and duty positions? It wasn't my capacity for violence he was unwilling to test, it was the level of respect and loyalty the other soldiers felt towards me, and the contempt, and lack of respect they had for him that he didn't want showcased. You never give an order that you are not confident will be obeyed, and he knew if he ordered them to restrain me, he just might get his ass thrown off the mountain, instead. Everything is politics....
 
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