If you ever get downhearted, keep in mind a few facts...

[GordonGecko]

For 5 years, the Right has tried to change the public's mind about President Obama....and failed.

For almost 10 years, they've tried to shift blame for the Iraq War from Dubya....and failed.

For 20 years, they've tried to change the public's mind about the Clinton years and about Hillary Clinton....and failed.

For 30 years, the Right has said they wanted to scrap the Dept.s of Energy and Education....and failed.

For 35 years, they've said they want to dismantle OSHA and the EPA....and failed.

For 40 years, they've said they wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade....and failed.

For 45 years, they've wanted to destroy Medicare....and failed.

For 50 years, the Religious Right has tried to get prayer put back in school...and failed.

For almost 60 years, they've tried to figure out ways around "Brown vs. Board of Education" (i.e. school vouchers)....and failed.

For almost 70 years, they've wanted to get us out of the United Nations....and failed.

For almost 80 years, the Right has wanted to destroy Social Security....and failed.

For 100 years, they've wanted to get rid of the progressive income tax...and failed.

and for decades, they've constantly said they support 'cutting spending, cutting the size of Government"....but never gotten a Republican President who would actually DO that, nor did they complain when GOP Presidents did the exact opposite.

 

[Bo-4]

One wonders when Republicans realize that Republicanism has failed? Not holding my breath, and frankly look forward to seeing them fail for another 30 or so!

 

[JuliefromOhio]

no wonder cons are so angry.

 

[GordonGecko]

One wonders when Republicans realize that Republicanism has failed? Not holding my breath, and frankly look forward to seeing them fail for another 30 or so!

Bo...come on. Fox News fed them, what THEY know, to be absolute bulls**t about "skewed polls" and "Romney landslides"....and they STILL tune in and cite Fox for "authority" on their posts.

You really think a little thing like a CENTURY being unable to enact their agenda is going to make them wake up?

 

[GordonGecko]

no wonder cons are so angry.

The further back their hopes and dreams go...the angrier they get. Who's the angriest Righty?

The guy who hates the Income Tax and Social Securty....because they've been losing THAT battle for 80-100 years. Next angriest would be the segregationist. Then the Medicare opponent.

The only exception might be the "pro-lifers"....but you saw with the 40th Anniversary of Roe....they're getting more angry and depressed.

 

[Bo-4]

AND their numbers are dwindling!

 

[GordonGecko]

AND their numbers are dwindling!

Think about this.....50 years ago, you probably could have gotten almost have the country to completely oppose Medicare being created at all. Today? Eddie Munster has to say he wants to "not scrap it, but reform it"....because if he were honest, he wouldn't even win his seat back in Wisconsin.

40 years ago, probably same deal with "Roe". Maybe half (or more) opposed it Today? Gallup had 70% of Americans who don't want it overturned.

Time is not the friend of the rightwinger.

 

[Bo-4]

Think about this.....50 years ago, you probably could have gotten almost have the country to completely oppose Medicare being created at all. Today? Eddie Munster has to say he wants to "not scrap it, but reform it"....because if he were honest, he wouldn't even win his seat back in Wisconsin.

40 years ago, probably same deal with "Roe". Maybe half (or more) opposed it Today? Gallup had 70% of Americans who don't want it overturned.

Time is not the friend of the rightwinger.

It's only been 4 years since the Republican party found their "new voice". It had something to do with "that black president" and the fact that government suddenly became "REALLY evil".

So now, Republican failures prior to 2008 will pale in comparison to what's ahead. Instead of backing off and coming to the center, their ideas are SO insane that they've cornered themselves like scared rats.

Btw, i don't think the Creepy Munster Kid's coupon plan to end SS and Medicare as we know it was much of a secret in Wisconsin. It was amazing to me that he won by such a wide margin when he couldn't even deliver the state for Mittens. His district must be REALLY conservative!

 

[trapdoor]

One wonders when Republicans realize that Republicanism has failed? Not holding my breath, and frankly look forward to seeing them fail for another 30 or so!

Bo -- a lot of the things on the posted list were not opposed by Republicans, but by Democrats.

 

[GordonGecko]

It's only been 4 years since the Republican party found their "new voice". It had something to do with "that black president" and the fact that government suddenly became "REALLY evil".

So now, Republican failures prior to 2008 will pale in comparison to what's ahead. Instead of backing off and coming to the center, their ideas are SO insane that they've cornered themselves like scared rats.

Absolutely....they've painted themselves into such a fringe ideological corner....that they won't accept even some "modest" victory as a "real" victory, like no public option in the PPACA.

And they've set up such a high standard for what "cutting Gub'mint is"....that it will be impossible, shy of a nuclear war to achieve it.

 

[GordonGecko]

Bo -- a lot of the things on the posted list were not opposed by Republicans, but by Democrats.

Which was the reason I used the term "Right", trap. I put a rightwing Dixiecrat who opposed integration in the same pile of failure.


BTW, forgot your favorite topic. How was gun control 80+ years ago? Easier or harder than today to get a Tommy gun?

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

And for some 150 years, they've tried to get rid of all that Darwan ape-man monkee bizness noncents....and failed.

 

[GordonGecko]

And for some 150 years, they've tried to get rid of all that Darwan ape-man monkee bizness noncents....and failed.

Oh, yes....forgot about "creation science" and "Intelligent Design" and "teach both equally" crapola.

 

[as seen on tv]

For 5 years, the Right has tried to change the public's mind about President Obama....and failed.

For almost 10 years, they've tried to shift blame for the Iraq War from Dubya....and failed.

For 20 years, they've tried to change the public's mind about the Clinton years and about Hillary Clinton....and failed.

For 30 years, the Right has said they wanted to scrap the Dept.s of Energy and Education....and failed.

For 35 years, they've said they want to dismantle OSHA and the EPA....and failed.

For 40 years, they've said they wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade....and failed.

For 45 years, they've wanted to destroy Medicare....and failed.

For 50 years, the Religious Right has tried to get prayer put back in school...and failed.

For almost 60 years, they've tried to figure out ways around "Brown vs. Board of Education" (i.e. school vouchers)....and failed.

For almost 70 years, they've wanted to get us out of the United Nations....and failed.

For almost 80 years, the Right has wanted to destroy Social Security....and failed.

For 100 years, they've wanted to get rid of the progressive income tax...and failed.

and for decades, they've constantly said they support 'cutting spending, cutting the size of Government"....but never gotten a Republican President who would actually DO that, nor did they complain when GOP Presidents did the exact opposite.

top 10 reasons to be downhearted . . .

10 - Over the past 4 years, federal debt per american family has ballooned to $160,000. you could buy a house for that, in most places

9 - 30% of american kids drop out of high school. the rate is 50% if you're in an "urban school district"

8 - 12 million mexicans live in this country illegally, and nobody knows what to do about it

7 - 50% of americans get some sort of federal payment from the government - welfare, food stamps, social security, medicare, unemployment, housing assistance, earned income tax credits, paycheck . . .

6 - pot is considered a medicine in many locations - by law - while "enlightened" politicians believe that sodas which are more than 16 ounces present an imminent health threat

5 - newspaper subscriptions - on a percentage of population - are at an all time low

4 - the most popular tv shows are NFL games, dancing reality shows, and cartoons

3- more than half the population believes they've either: seen an angel; seen an alien spacecraft; or seen bigfoot

2 - facebook is the most visited site on the internet (at least its not porn)

1 - voters uniformly believe they personally pay too much in taxes, but anyone making more than them isn't paying enough

 

[Zoar]

While I appreciate this thread, Gordon, you have peeps like as seen on tv support the sentiments expressed by about half the people in this cartoon---

 

[trapdoor]

Which was the reason I used the term "Right", trap. I put a rightwing Dixiecrat who opposed integration in the same pile of failure.


BTW, forgot your favorite topic. How was gun control 80+ years ago? Easier or harder than today to get a Tommy gun?

Much easier. In 1932, you could legally order a Tommy gun (the Model 1927 Thompson) from Sears and have it delievered to your door. That didn't change until the passage of the 1935 National Firearm Act.

And you didn't stick to the term "right." You specifically mentioned Republican.

 

[GordonGecko]

Much easier. In 1932, you could legally order a Tommy gun (the Model 1927 Thompson) from Sears and have it delievered to your door. That didn't change until the passage of the 1935 National Firearm Act.

And you didn't stick to the term "right." You specifically mentioned Republican.

Where appropriate, yes. But it IS a fact (as Drumcollie so often reminds us) that it was Dixiecrats who opposed integration.

It is also a fact that TODAY it is the current incarnation of the GOP which pushs school vouchers, as a means to circumvent school integration. (Look at the history...the rise of private schools in the South, and the near simultaneous push by the post-Southern Strategy GOP to push "school choice".)


As for guns....exactly. A 1932 Wayne LaPierre was destined to lose...as I think the 21st Century one will ...if eventually...be.

 

[GordonGecko]

While I appreciate this thread, Gordon, you have peeps like as seen on tv support the sentiments expressed by about half the people in this cartoon---

But it's the last gasp of a dying contingent, Zoar. Energized to try to defeat a black President from having 2 terms.....they STILL lost. In 2016, they'll not have that "energizer" and thus little way to rally even those who blamed the President for the economy....even if they were among the Obama Derangement Right.

And look at history....some of today's "conservatives"....would have been "liberals", even "radicals" 60 years ago. (True, some are back to "John Birch Society" Nuttiness...but they are politically loud, but irrelevant)

 

[GordonGecko]

ASOT, your "deca-philia"....is neither appropriate here, much less funny.

 

[trapdoor]

Where appropriate, yes. But it IS a fact (as Drumcollie so often reminds us) that it was Dixiecrats who opposed integration.

I once watched an old movie staring Bob Hope as a pirate. At a critical seen, he needs his ship to go South, but uses reverse psychology, suggesting to the crew they go north. "But we have FRIENDS in the south," his second mate says. Hope looked at the camera and said, "Oh, a Democrat, eh?" -- it wasn't just "Dixiecrats."

It is also a fact that TODAY it is the current incarnation of the GOP which pushs school vouchers, as a means to circumvent school integration. (Look at the history...the rise of private schools in the South, and the near simultaneous push by the post-Southern Strategy GOP to push "school choice".)

School vouchers aren't a means of segregation -- they wouldn't even be a viable mechanism for that if it were the goal. Yes, following desegregation, some southern states eliminated their public school systems and established private "seg academies," which as private institutions could be whites only. As for school choice, well, it beats busing. You're attempting to cite political motivations and strategies that haven't been current for 45 years.

As for guns....exactly. A 1932 Wayne LaPierre was destined to lose...as I think the 21st Century one will ...if eventually...be.

There was no real organized opposition to the NFA. The NRA is by no means alone in its opposition to most of what's on the table today.[/quote]