Illegal immigrants to be covered under Obamacare?

[Barbella]

Of course. It's on it's way... and WE, the taxpayers... the less than 50% of people who are working their butts off to pay their bills... will subsidize those illegal immigrants not only for their basic needs such as housing and food, so why not add free healthcare, as well?

There are still millions of Americans who can't afford to buy health insurance... those people who are too poor to pay for it, but 'too rich' to qualify for subsidies. But illegals? No problem... they'll get it for FREE. More democrat votes, right? Anything for those...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...care-to-illegal-immigrants.html?intcmp=hplnws

 

[TheResister]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the problems associated with immigration are not the fault of the left. It goes to the misunderstanding of the right.

The people on the right side of the political spectrum have lost sight of the fact that all people have unalienable Rights, but only citizens are due the privileges of citizenship. In the final analysis, the right will lose on this issue of immigration because they end up screwing themselves out of their own rights. Let me do a quick scorecard for you:

Creation of the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security
The so - called "Patriot Act"
National ID / REAL ID Act
Constitution Free Zones
Evisceration of innocent until proven guilty / Presumption of Innocence
Assaults on the Fourth Amendment
National Gun Registration
Strengthening of the IRS and its powers
24 / 7 / 365 surveillance and monitoring of citizens
Financial transaction monitoring of all Americans
Formal introduction of the One World Government Police Force

Those are the top ten things the anti-immigrant lobby has given us. It came at a cost of TRILLIONS of dollars in new taxes; it gutted the Constitution; it gave the government unprecedented powers it never had before; the only victims of that legislation have been American citizens; you still have the same problems. Thomas Paine, a founding father warned:

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

Before you go off on a tangent calling me a liberal or such like, you may want to know the facts. The facts are that I've been doing this stuff longer than most of you AND I've been much more successful at it at the end of the day.

With respect to Obamacare, it could not have been enforced without the SSN based National ID / REAL ID Act and that bill was introduced and forced through Congress by the anti-immigrant lobby. Had the anti-immigrant lobby taken a different route - one that requires a specific knowledge of Rights versus privileges, you wouldn't have this thread.

I could have introduced a platform that would have addressed all the symptoms the anti-immigrant lobby has complained about it AND it would require no wall, no TRILLIONS of dollars of expenditures, no increase in the size, power and scope of government and no loss of our own Liberties. Guess you should have started out listening to the admonitions of our founding fathers.

 

[Barbella]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the problems associated with immigration are not the fault of the left. It goes to the misunderstanding of the right.

The people on the right side of the political spectrum have lost sight of the fact that all people have unalienable Rights, but only citizens are due the privileges of citizenship.

We can stop right there, except I'm willing to include LEGAL immigrants, whether they have attained citizenship or not.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the problems associated with immigration are not the fault of the left. It goes to the misunderstanding of the right.

The people on the right side of the political spectrum have lost sight of the fact that all people have unalienable Rights, but only citizens are due the privileges of citizenship. In the final analysis, the right will lose on this issue of immigration because they end up screwing themselves out of their own rights. Let me do a quick scorecard for you:

Creation of the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security
The so - called "Patriot Act"
National ID / REAL ID Act
Constitution Free Zones
Evisceration of innocent until proven guilty / Presumption of Innocence
Assaults on the Fourth Amendment
National Gun Registration
Strengthening of the IRS and its powers
24 / 7 / 365 surveillance and monitoring of citizens
Financial transaction monitoring of all Americans
Formal introduction of the One World Government Police Force

Those are the top ten things the anti-immigrant lobby has given us. It came at a cost of TRILLIONS of dollars in new taxes; it gutted the Constitution; it gave the government unprecedented powers it never had before; the only victims of that legislation have been American citizens; you still have the same problems. Thomas Paine, a founding father warned:

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

Same tired BS

Before you go off on a tangent calling me a liberal or such like, you may want to know the facts. The facts are that I've been doing this stuff longer than most of you AND I've been much more successful at it at the end of the day.

You are full of shit. You have no clue as to what the laws actually are, you have absolutely no legal experience in immigration law.

With respect to Obamacare, it could not have been enforced without the SSN based National ID / REAL ID Act and that bill was introduced and forced through Congress by the anti-immigrant lobby. Had the anti-immigrant lobby taken a different route - one that requires a specific knowledge of Rights versus privileges, you wouldn't have this thread.

YAWN

I could have introduced a platform that would have addressed all the symptoms the anti-immigrant lobby has complained about it AND it would require no wall, no TRILLIONS of dollars of expenditures, no increase in the size, power and scope of government and no loss of our own Liberties. Guess you should have started out listening to the admonitions of our founding fathers.

Maybe you should try understanding what they were saying verse espousing one line quotes out of context that you attribute to them. watafuknmoron

 

[TheResister]

We can stop right there, except I'm willing to include LEGAL immigrants, whether they have attained citizenship or not.

I believe I said that most people do not understand the differences between unalienable Rights and the privileges of citizenship. Did you get that far before you started coming unhinged?

I'm not for socialized medicine in the first place AND had the anti-immigrant lobby paid attention a decade and half ago, we would not be having this conversation. Obamacare exists because of the right, not because of the left.

I would not bestow nor advocate bestowing the privileges of citizenship on any foreigner. That includes, but is not limited to: Social (ist) Security, taxpayer funded education, unemployment insurance, Medicaid, Medicare, welfare, etc., etc. That is not the issue.

The problems we're faced with are that most people, and especially those who follow the anti-immigrant lobby around, don't understand unalienable Rights, so in their misplaced priorities, they paved the way for the left. And, what's worse, the only solution they see is the Hegelian "solutions" if you can call them that which the powers that be conjured up when they invented the problem.

If you would look at the issue objectively and ask yourself how you lost so many Rights in such a short amount of time, you might see the ultimate answer to how you best address the immigration issue. Again, had the conservatives left this to the strict constructionists and the Patriot Movement, you would have your Rights today and you'd be closer to answering the symptoms you complain of with real answers.

 

[Jen]

Of course. It's on it's way... and WE, the taxpayers... the less than 50% of people who are working their butts off to pay their bills... will subsidize those illegal immigrants not only for their basic needs such as housing and food, so why not add free healthcare, as well?

There are still millions of Americans who can't afford to buy health insurance... those people who are too poor to pay for it, but 'too rich' to qualify for subsidies. But illegals? No problem... they'll get it for FREE. More democrat votes, right? Anything for those...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...care-to-illegal-immigrants.html?intcmp=hplnws

If the millions of people who are here illegally are covered for free, those who are working will bow under the weight.

Then nobody will have anything.

That's how Socialists want it.

Venezuela.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

I believe I said that most people do not understand the differences between unalienable Rights and the privileges of citizenship. Did you get that far before you started coming unhinged?

I'm not for socialized medicine in the first place AND had the anti-immigrant lobby paid attention a decade and half ago, we would not be having this conversation. Obamacare exists because of the right, not because of the left.

Nobody on the right voted for Obamacare. SMFH Its all the lefts deal.

I would not bestow nor advocate bestowing the privileges of citizenship on any foreigner. That includes, but is not limited to: Social (ist) Security, taxpayer funded education, unemployment insurance, Medicaid, Medicare, welfare, etc., etc. That is not the issue.

You don't seem to understand the difference of who is privileged to get what or not. Legal residents, i.e. legal foreigners are entitled to many privileges.

The problems we're faced with are that most people, and especially those who follow the anti-immigrant lobby around, don't understand unalienable Rights, so in their misplaced priorities, they paved the way for the left. And, what's worse, the only solution they see is the Hegelian "solutions" if you can call them that which the powers that be conjured up when they invented the problem.

You don't seem to grasp what unalienable actually is.

If you would look at the issue objectively and ask yourself how you lost so many Rights in such a short amount of time, you might see the ultimate answer to how you best address the immigration issue. Again, had the conservatives left this to the strict constructionists and the Patriot Movement, you would have your Rights today and you'd be closer to answering the symptoms you complain of with real answers.

What rights have any citizens actually lost? (this ought a be good) SMFH

 

[Liquid Reigns]

If the millions of people who are here illegally are covered for free, those who are working will bow under the weight.

Then nobody will have anything.

That's how Socialists want it.

Venezuela.

The article linked to in the OP is for DACA recipients and would require a Federal waiver even if the CA Gov signs the bill. The issue being that they are still illegals, just that they have work authorization while waiting for their "hearing" on their deportation case.

 

[TheResister]

If the millions of people who are here illegally are covered for free, those who are working will bow under the weight.

Then nobody will have anything.

That's how Socialists want it.

Venezuela.

Okay, I concur that we're going the path of Venezuela, but Obamacare is free??? For whom???

This mandatory insurance crap is expensive and I talk to people making minimum wage and paying out over half what they make on mandatory insurance. It seems to me that this is more about scapegoating foreigners than admitting that you need to wage a war against Obamacare and socialism.

 

[4/15]

Of course. It's on it's way... and WE, the taxpayers... the less than 50% of people who are working their butts off to pay their bills... will subsidize those illegal immigrants not only for their basic needs such as housing and food, so why not add free healthcare, as well?

There are still millions of Americans who can't afford to buy health insurance... those people who are too poor to pay for it, but 'too rich' to qualify for subsidies. But illegals? No problem... they'll get it for FREE. More democrat votes, right? Anything for those...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...care-to-illegal-immigrants.html?intcmp=hplnws

The Affordable Care Act technically bars illegal immigrants from the insurance exchanges.

But the California bill, which last week passed the state legislature and was sent to Gov. Jerry Brown’s desk, would allow the state to apply for a federal waiver to open its exchange -- Covered California -- to undocumented residents.

There's no guarantee that will happen. Brown first would have to sign the bill and the Obama administration then would have to green-light the waiver. Even if that is granted, it wouldn't necessarily give illegal immigrants access to insurance subsidies.

 

[Jen]

Okay, I concur that we're going the path of Venezuela, but Obamacare is free??? For whom???

This mandatory insurance crap is expensive and I talk to people making minimum wage and paying out over half what they make on mandatory insurance. It seems to me that this is more about scapegoating foreigners than admitting that you need to wage a war against Obamacare and socialism.

This mandatory people is screwing more people than it is helping. There are just as many people uninsured as there were before ACA came into being. I don't know if anyone gets it free. I thought subsidies gave free care to some people.

 

[TheResister]

This mandatory people is screwing more people than it is helping. There are just as many people uninsured as there were before ACA came into being. I don't know if anyone gets it free. I thought subsidies gave free care to some people.

Personally I don't have a clue if anyone is getting it for free, but I deal with minimum wage people from time to time. Most pay out over half of what they earn to get the insurance and are back on welfare inside of six months.

 

[Jen]

Personally I don't have a clue if anyone is getting it for free, but I deal with minimum wage people from time to time. Most pay out over half of what they earn to get the insurance and are back on welfare inside of six months.

And the really horrendous thing about it is that their Obamacare monthly payments are huge and so is their deductible. So if they have to go to the doctor, they must pay out of pocket because it normally takes a while to get up to a $2000.00 (plus) deductible.

Obamacare was a scam.

 

[4/15]

Personally I don't have a clue if anyone is getting it for free, but I deal with minimum wage people from time to time. Most pay out over half of what they earn to get the insurance and are back on welfare inside of six months.

You must be in a red state that did not set up a system to help low wage earners.

 

[TheResister]

You must be in a red state that did not set up a system to help low wage earners.

I live in Georgia. I guess when Hillary becomes prez, she will find a way into our pockets to take from the workers and give to the welfarites.