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Interesting question. Can Texas secede?

fxstc

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The US Constitution is silent on the issue of secession. There is no provision in the Texas Constitution (current or former) that reserves the right of secession, but it does state that "Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States" ... not to the President of the US or even the Congress of the US.

Both original and current Texas Constitutions state that political power is inherent in the people and (just as the Declaration of Independence declares) "the people have the right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Texas and Hawaii are two states that were once recognized as independent nations, before choosing to join the Union. Their voluntary decision to join the Union did not come with an explicit agreement that they could never leave.

Some people claim that the Civil War proved that secession is illegal. Whether one was in favor of the North or the South, all that war actually "proved" is that a state or group of states can be militarily forced to continue being a part of a group. Superior strength does not prove morality or legality as any citizen of the former Soviet Union can attest.

Some people are under the mistaken impression that the US Supreme Court decision in Texas v. White "proved" that secession is unconstitutional. Actually, that decision was not based on any precedent or anything in the Constitution and was in direct conflict with the actions of the then-President Grant who had to sign an act to "re-admit" Texas into the Union and allow them to send Representatives back to Congress. If Texas had never left, as the Court declared, it would not have been required to be "re-admitted" and Grant would not have needed to sign the declaration. This is a conflict that has never been fully cleared up.

Bottom line: There is no law forbidding or allowing secession. If Texas or any other state decides to secede, the resulting peaceful separation or war will depend not on law, but on the will of whomever happens to be Commander-in-Chief at the time.


One can also argue, and constitutional scholars certainly have, that the 'readmission' of Texas to the union did not violate the Supreme Court's decision in Texas vs. White...it was is superfluous, and indeed, did not, in and of itself violate, and was not contrary, to the Texas vs. White ruling. Simply speaking, there was no precedent for handling this situation. The readmission of Texas in early 1870 came just a short few months after Texas vs. White, and Congress and the President did not forsee the long-term implications of the Supreme Court decision. Just like there is no explicit wording in the Constitution forbidding secession, there is no wording in the Constitution specifically outlining the statutory process for the readmission of states.
Because of this, if state's rights proponents continue to argue that a state's right to secede is implied because they joined the union as 'independent states', a strong argument can also be made that an indissoulable union was also implied in the Constitution. Membership in a union does not dimish in importance or totality a state's sovereignity. That's the whole point of federalism. However, it does imply relinquishing some power to the national government. Indeed, federalism is 'shared' power, but it is not 'equal' power, at least in the example of the US. Clearly national dominance was designed into the structure of the Constitution.
Wikianswers
 
Could Sarah Palin, bereft of attention, agree do a XXX porno with nation-wide release, involving multiple threesomes with two black guys, for $500 and cab fare?.....of course.

Will it happen? Much more likely than Texas seceding from the Union again. But neither is worth discussing seriously.
 
Could Sarah Palin, bereft of attention, agree do a XXX porno with nation-wide release, involving multiple threesomes with two black guys, for $500 and cab fare?.....of course.

Will it happen? Much more likely than Texas seceding from the Union again. But neither is worth discussing seriously.

The only reason I posted it was because there was some discussion on an earlier post about Texas seceding from the US
 
Could the rest of the nation agree to sell Texas to the Chinese, to wipe out a huge chunk of the debt that we owe them? An asking price of an even $2 trillion might be reasonable. I would be in favor of that.
 
The only reason I posted it was because there was some discussion on an earlier post about Texas seceding from the US

And as noted on that thread...and my sexual reference above...it's "mental masturbation".

Something for desperate Hard Righties to DREAM about....like a Trekkie imagining that "Seven of Nine" "meeting him at Comic Con, realizing what a great guy he is, and agreeing to become his girlfriend".

It's a pointless exercise for the sane....a pathetic one for those who are not.
 
No. It cannot.

From your friendly resident 4th generation Texas woman.

What it CAN do is split into 5 separate states. Trouble IS.....all the major cities in Texas are Obama Blue, lol, and pretty much spead out to all sections.

And, the demographics here are pretty much turning...brown.
Viva!
 
Could Sarah Palin, bereft of attention, agree do a XXX porno with nation-wide release, involving multiple threesomes with two black guys, for $500 and cab fare?.....of course.

Will it happen? Much more likely than Texas seceding from the Union again. But neither is worth discussing seriously.

Why on Earth would you want to see Palin in a triple X film!?!

Wow, just wow, but back to the main point of the thread, and that is now I have that image burnt in my head, and I want it out!!!

Also to the actual thread, and Texas can leave the Union, but what good would it do?

Yes Texas can survive on her own to a point, but in the end would Texas be better off, or turn into a third world country?

Also havin' a majority segment of the population bein' Hispanic it would make you wonder how long before Mexico wouuld invade?

Now if Texas left with all southern states then that is a different story because then you have too many states joinin' together, and another civil war is unlikely. Now with that I believe Obama would be impeached so that those states would stay in the Union, but this is not likely, until it happens I will now be forever stuck with the image of a elderly Palin, three black men, and bad nightmaresbecause of you Gordon!!!
 
The more likely (Constitution-wise) it is that Texas CAN secede, the less likely it is that they'll try. Texas can't risk the nation responding to their request with a, "Buh-bye, don't let the door hitcha in the ass!".

The only way Texas could risk serious flatulation around seccession, is if it KNEW the nation/Constitution had no choice but to say no. At least that way, Texans could thump their sunken chests around how "mean" the guvmint was being to them.
 
Yes Texas can survive on her own to a point, but in the end would Texas be better off, or turn into a third world country?
A third world GOPper paradise is my guess!

I hope I find out soon enough to move out

Also havin' a majority segment of the population bein' Hispanic it would make you wonder how long before Mexico would invade?

When has Mexico invaded anyone in the last 150 years?
 
Now with that I believe Obama would be impeached so that those states would stay in the Union

Being elected president by a majority of Americans does not equal "high crimes and misdemeanors".
 
Would anyone really care? Would the hispanics start a civil war within Texas and seperate from the white minority? Would they last more than a month without their federal payments? Would the cities that voted for Obama pull together and form their own state? Interesting questions with lots of different outcomes.
 
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