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Is 'conservatism' dying???

OldGaffer said:
They are ok with the regressive ones that fall mainly on the working class.
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I think Ryan realizes the Government needs more income (can't cut his way to balance AND increase defense spending AND give another tax cut to the "jobs creators").....and a sales tax hits the middle class without hurting the rich.

Still funny to see a "No New Taxes Ever" guy...."okay with the concept" of a new tax. :smile:
 
GordonGecko said:
I think Ryan realizes the Government needs more income (can't cut his way to balance AND increase defense spending AND give another tax cut to the "jobs creators").....and a sales tax hits the middle class without hurting the rich.

Still funny to see a "No New Taxes Ever" guy...."okay with the concept" of a new tax. :smile:
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It is also why many 'conservatives' were actually OK with ending the Social Security payroll tax cut.
 
LeRoy_Was_Here said:
It is also why many 'conservatives' were actually OK with ending the Social Security payroll tax cut.
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True, shows their rhetoric for LIES. They don't mind new taxes...as long as it doesn't hit the rich or corporations.

It's why the end-game of their philosophy is feudalism.....a militarty state with no social safety net, paid for by the "craftsmen" and "peasants"....and the "nobles" left untouched.
 
What's wrong with that!!!

Also Conservatism died when Nixon became President...

To be truthful America never had a Conservative President since Andrew Jackson...

True Conservatism can work on Local and State governments but not at the Federal level...
 
Apparently, a schism has developed within the modern iteration of "conservatism", around this bill. Grover has given it the go ahead, because it isn't a "new tax" (according to Grover). Some other "conservative shout-tanks are having a shit fit around it.
 
Union_Jack_1972 said:
What's wrong with that!!!

Also Conservatism died when Nixon became President...

To be truthful America never had a Conservative President since Andrew Jackson...

True Conservatism can work on Local and State governments but not at the Federal level...
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Andrew Jackson?....conservative??

Shoot.....I'd have a hard time coming up with the name of a president who was LESS conservative than Andrew Jackson!
 
Hmmm, He was the only President to leave office with no National Debt...

He make GWB and Obama look ultra anti-Conservative...
 
fairsheet said:
Apparently, a schism has developed within the modern iteration of "conservatism", around this bill. Grover has given it the go ahead, because it isn't a "new tax" (according to Grover). Some other "conservative shout-tanks are having a shit fit around it.
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One problem...a continuing one for the GOP...would be Talk Radio or the Blogs. They won't buy the "it's not a new tax" line and will oppose it and thus turn on Ryan.
 
Conservatism has many ways to be define...

Social Conservatives are confused most of the time of being true Conservatism...

Clinton was more fiscal Conservative than Bush, Obama, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, oh hell most Presidents but on the Social aspect Clinton is a Liberal minded individual...

In the end we have never had a true Conservative President...

In the end Barry Goldwater Conservatism is dead except with Ron Paul and no Rand Paul is a Neo-Libertarian and if he did win the Presidential race then maybe America would for once get a Conservative President to a point...

Also before someone scream Reagan, well he was as Conservative as Bush jr... Well maybe a little more but still not a true Conservative...

So again I would say Andrew Jackson was the most Conservative President seein' we have never seen a true Conservative from the GOP to win the oval office...

Lincoln was not true Conservative... Teddy Roosevelt was not either... Ike was not either...

See my point yet???
 
LMAO!!!

Only you and those like you would think of that... Wait so did I, but the truth America never had a true Conservative President...
 
Speaking of legislation such as this....I read one of Maureen Dowd's sappy pieces in my morning paper. Fortunately, we don't have to endure her very often. She was going on and on about how Obama doesn't "lead".

She's oblivious to the fact that we're currently in the midst of the most bizarro politic in at least the last century. If Obama was FOR this legislation, his best bet would be to come out against it. If he was against it, he'd have to speechify FOR it!

In this case though...(imho), he gets to stay the hell out of it and let the GOP duke it out among themselves. My guess by the way, is that the Obaman probably support the legislation, but would probably rather not run afoul of those who would harp on the fact of its being a tax on the middle/lower class.
 
GordonGecko said:
Paul Ryan....the "fresh new face" of the Republican Party, the "Golden Boy" of 21st Century conservatism, the guy "that RINO Romney had to pick as Veep to prove his conservative bona fides to the Base"......


supports an internet sales tax?!?!?

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-v...aul-ryan-supports-concept-of-online-sales-tax

I was under the impression conservatives OPPOSED new taxes?
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real conservatism will never die, the humanity will always produce some lower IQ people scared of everything new. As far as modern version of conservatism in USA in the beginning of 21 century, hopefully it will die and fast
 
Just as one for instance, how do we conclude that Lincoln wasn't as conservative as can be? After all, what could possibly be MORE conservative, than insisting that the Union must remain intact and as is?
 
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