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Israel does need to protect itself....

Boltlady

Boltlady

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from itself. Every time it tries to play the victim card which used to work so well, it just looks more and more like the warmonger that it is. It is in the process of committing genocide and this time there are more people who are recognizing it as such.

The people who stand up on tv and try to compare the pitiful rockets that the Palestinians have to the extreme bombings coming from the air and the sea that Israel is raining onto a trapped, poverty stricken populace, look positively ridiculous. They spend big bucks trying to protect their public image, but their public image is getting farther and farther into the toilet as we speak.

They are now going after hospitals and other infrastructure that is guaranteed to make life even more miserable for the people that they already have a stranglehold on. This time there may actually be some help out there for the Palestinians.

The Israelis will have nobody to blame but themselves.
 
This angle becomes more shopworn and hidebound, each time Hamas tries to invoke it. Good luck with your hyperbole. This may be Hamas's last shot at attracting the practical sympathies of people who cling to your perspective. We may've reached the point where you - safe in your American home - like Hamas more than the Palestinians themselves do.
 
fairsheet said:
This angle becomes more shopworn and hidebound, each time Hamas tries to invoke it. Good luck with your hyperbole. This may be Hamas's last shot at attracting the practical sympathies of people who cling to your perspective. We may've reached the point where you - safe in your American home - like Hamas more than the Palestinians themselves do.
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Are you not aware that it was the Israelis who broke the cease fire by shooting a 13 yr old boy in the head from a helicopter? It was after that when the rockets were unleashed. Also, were you not aware that the military leader of Hamas was already in the middle of a peace agreement that was being worked out by both sides when the Israelis decided to assassinate him?

Granted, the media tends to be quiet about those sorts of things.
 
Boltlady said:
from itself. Every time it tries to play the victim card which used to work so well, it just looks more and more like the warmonger that it is. It is in the process of committing genocide and this time there are more people who are recognizing it as such.

The people who stand up on tv and try to compare the pitiful rockets that the Palestinians have to the extreme bombings coming from the air and the sea that Israel is raining onto a trapped, poverty stricken populace, look positively ridiculous. They spend big bucks trying to protect their public image, but their public image is getting farther and farther into the toilet as we speak.

They are now going after hospitals and other infrastructure that is guaranteed to make life even more miserable for the people that they already have a stranglehold on. This time there may actually be some help out there for the Palestinians.

The Israelis will have nobody to blame but themselves.
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24 Palestinian children and 8 Palestinian women killed by this morning, the tally is rising

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2012/nov/18/israel-gaza-live-updates

There are envoys and peace workers queueing up to go in to Gaza, 5 out of ten trucks are eing allowed in by the Egyptians. One Rabbi from Holland is in Gaza to show solidarity for the people. Journalists are being targeted by the Israelis ................

A terrifying situation Bolt ...................

Israel broke the peace treaty yet again .............. and yet again it looks as though there will be slaughter of the Palestinians.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/o....html?pagewanted=2&src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB&_r=0
 
fairsheet said:
This angle becomes more shopworn and hidebound, each time Hamas tries to invoke it. Good luck with your hyperbole. This may be Hamas's last shot at attracting the practical sympathies of people who cling to your perspective. We may've reached the point where you - safe in your American home - like Hamas more than the Palestinians themselves do.
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2 million or so people live in a Land no bigger than Disney Land, they cannot go in or out. They are shot at and bombed and straffed from the Sea. Their water is annexed off, their food supplies controlled to starvation point at times and when one of their children is shot dead when playing football you are angry that they throw a few home made, hand held rockets ? And then when one of Hamas Leaders who is in the middle of 'delicate' but promising peace talks they kill him by Drone and you are angry and surprised that out of Egypt are fired further reaching rockets ?

Being Pro Israel and Anti Muslim is a safe bet ...Israel will kill and maim again and of course it will be the 'battered wifes'' fault again, of course it will be, it always is.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...mpts-to-forestall-ground-assault-8326960.html


And you admire your Prez ?! The One man in the World who might be able to stop the blood shed and he uses words like 'preferable if they don't.......' ???? Preferable ?!
 
It's worthwhile our noting that the Gazans and people who advocate for the Gazans, are inclined to putting all the onus on Israel, rather than Hamas. I don't suggest this, by way of "defending" Israel and whining that people are being "mean" to them, by pointing the finger at them.

I suggest it from the very different perspective of the Gazans clearly understanding that the Israelis are the "adults" in the room and Hamas are the unruly "gang-bangers" that've taken over their neighborhood and causing trouble with the adults. So....knowing that they've got no influence over the gang-bangers, the Gazans are appealing to the adults - the Israelis - to fix this mess for them.

That's all well and good EXCEPT that the Gazans chose the gang-bangers - in free and fair elections - to represent them. It's been said that other parts of the world, for whom democracy is a new concept, don't quite "get it" yet. The Gazans seem to feel that it's their "right" to vote for the gang-bangers, but that it's not "fair" for them to have to suffer the consequences for voting for the gang-bangers.
 
fairsheet said:
It's worthwhile our noting that the Gazans and people how advocate for the Gazans, are inclined to putting all the onus on Israel, rather than Hamas. I don't suggest this, by way of "defending" Israel and whining that people are being "mean" to them, by putting the finger at them.

I suggest it from the very different perspective of the Gazans clearly understanding that the Israelis are the "adults" in the room and Hamas are the unruly "gang-bangers" that've taken over their neighborhood and causing trouble with the adults. So....knowing that they've got no influence over the gang-bangers, the Gazans are appealing to the adults - the Israelis - to fix this mess for them.

That's all well and good EXCEPT that the Gazans chose the gang-bangers - in free and fair elections - to represent them. It's been said that other parts of the world, for whom democracy is a new concept, don't quite "get it" yet. The Gazans seem to feel that it's their "right" to vote for the gang-bangers, but that it's not "fair" for them to have to suffer the consequences for voting for the gang-bangers.
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Israel just killed Hamas Leaders in the middle of peace negotiations with them.

Never mind the ins and outs Hamas is the legit Gov of Gaza and the Israeli Gov just ordered the death of those they were negotiating with and now they are moving in with Airstrikes already and Tanks and 10s of thousands of Troops at the ready.

Israel doesn't want Peace is the only conclusion we can come to Fair. They prove this over and over again :( It would make no difference what Palestinians did or didn't do ...........
 
Queen Titania said:
Israel just killed Hamas Leaders in the middle of peace negotiations with them.

Never mind the ins and outs Hamas is the legit Gov of Gaza and the Israeli Gov just ordered the death of those they were negotiating with and now they are moving in with Airstrikes already and Tanks and 10s of thousands of Troops at the ready.

Israel doesn't want Peace is the only conclusion we can come to Fair. They prove this over and over again :( It would make no difference what Palestinians did or didn't do ...........
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As I say...I think your angle is timing itself out. But, we shall see. There are only so many people of influence, who still buy into the angle that Hamas are but innocent freedom fighters and the the Israelis "deserve whatever they get".
 
fairsheet said:
As I say...I think your angle is timing itself out. But, we shall see. There are only so many people of influence, who still buy into the angle that Hamas are but innocent freedom fighters and the the Israelis "deserve whatever they get".
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No body is buying into Hamas being innocents. Hamas is not really what this is about is it ? A few Rockets ? No, Israel wants all the Land .that is it, all of it .
 
I see that you've already got one Israel Uber Alles supporter replying to your post.

Israel wanted to attack Iran during the US Pres campaign, they got a knock back from Dempsey (CoS), and Pres Obama, who told them they could attack Iran, if they wanted, but, that the US wouldn't get involved; immediate backtrack from Israel - Bibi goes on a tantrum, stamping his feet and yelling about how bad he's being treated.

So...No war with Iran, can't attack the Lebanon as Israel got a bloody nose the last time they tried it. Can't attack Syria, they've got an army, and air force, and all sorts of nasties to shoot back with. That leaves Gaza. Poor, undefended Gaza.

Israel, and Hamas, have a peace deal. Which Hamas has stood by, despite Israel bombings within Gaza. Hamas is further trying to implement a permanent peace deal with Israel. But, the Palestinians are also trying to obtain UN membership, which Israel doesn't like. Israel offers the Palestinians 10 per cent of the royalties from the natural gas, and oil fields in the waters off of the Gaza strip - Israel has already sold off those gas, and oil, fields to British Gas!!

Israel threatens Palestine with heavy consequences if they don't drop their attempt to obtain UN membership.

Israel kills a boy playing football in Gaza. Hamas gets upset at this and fires a few rockets at Israel. Israel kills a few more Palestinian in Gaza. Hamas fires more rockets back, Israel now has the excuse to invade Gaza.

What does Pres Obama do? Next to bloody nothing, calls on Hamas to stop firing rockets at Israel, and states that Israel has the right to defend itself. How about those living in Gaza, don't they have any right to defend themselves?
 
Yes and Romney and Bibi were old friends. Bibi wanted Mitt to win. Obama cut his water off while the MSM here ranted about Obama insulting Israel.

They killed a Hamas leader and as both Queenie and Wulk said, now they want to play victim while they do the dirty work Bibi wanted. I have no use at all for the Zionist leaders.They are nothing but mercenaries!
 
Boltlady said:
from itself. Every time it tries to play the victim card which used to work so well, it just looks more and more like the warmonger that it is. It is in the process of committing genocide and this time there are more people who are recognizing it as such.

The people who stand up on tv and try to compare the pitiful rockets that the Palestinians have to the extreme bombings coming from the air and the sea that Israel is raining onto a trapped, poverty stricken populace, look positively ridiculous. They spend big bucks trying to protect their public image, but their public image is getting farther and farther into the toilet as we speak.

They are now going after hospitals and other infrastructure that is guaranteed to make life even more miserable for the people that they already have a stranglehold on. This time there may actually be some help out there for the Palestinians.

The Israelis will have nobody to blame but themselves.
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Who was it that started this latest conflicy with Isreal? It was the Syrians bombing rebels near Gaza and than the Palistinians decide to attack Isrealis in the Gaza strip. The Isrealis returned fore after being fired upon. The left shows it's bias when they ralle about the Palistinian women and children killed and not consider the Isreali women and children killed by an unprovoked attack on them. Why does the left refuse to reconize Isreal's right to defend itself from attack by those who would commit another final solution on the Jewish peope if they could?

ORR
 
Old Ridge Runner said:
Who was it that started this latest conflicy with Isreal? It was the Syrians bombing rebels near Gaza and than the Palistinians decide to attack Isrealis in the Gaza strip. The Isrealis returned fore after being fired upon. The left shows it's bias when they ralle about the Palistinian women and children killed and not consider the Isreali women and children killed by an unprovoked attack on them. Why does the left refuse to reconize Isreal's right to defend itself from attack by those who would commit another final solution on the Jewish peope if they could?

ORR
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Now there is a bit of a muddled up thinking eh ? Read Wulks post ...............
 
Why don't you offer the Palestinians an equal right to defend themselves? How many Israeli women, and children, have been killed in the latest conflict? Want to know how many of the Palestinians, in Gaza, have been killed or injured? If you're interested the figure is over 600, so far!
 
Israel doesn't want Peace is the only conclusion we can come to Fair. They prove this over and over again It would make no difference what Palestinians did or didn't do ...........
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Absolutely agree.
 
Israel is the most dangerous country in the world, Wulk. Well past time for them to be put in their place.
 
MaryAnne said:
He got that from Fox news!
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A little job for Anonymous do you think ?;)

http://rt.com/news/anonymous-gaza-israel-website-938/

''From the very beginning of the Israeli offensive, Anonymous has avidly supported the Palestinian people. On Wednesday, they said in a press statement, "For far too long, Anonymous has stood by with the rest of the world and watched in despair the barbaric, brutal and despicable treatment of the Palestinian people in the so called 'Occupied Territories' by the Israel Defense Force."

They are crashing Israeli sites we should ask them to crash Fox News ............
 
fairsheet said:
As I say...I think your angle is timing itself out. But, we shall see. There are only so many people of influence, who still buy into the angle that Hamas are but innocent freedom fighters and the the Israelis "deserve whatever they get".
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