It's about freaking time!

[Sgt Staples]

Senate legislation aims to eliminate corn ethanol from Renewable Fuel Standard -
Let's eat the corn and /or make shine out of it and get it out of our damn gas.

I've been burning pure, high test non ethanol gas in my 2015 Dodge Challenger Scat Pack since I got it a month ago. Those 485 horses love the stuff. And it gets another 3 to 4 miles on the gallon.


>>>Citing the damage that corn-based ethanol does to automobile engines, among other reasons, two U.S. senators have introduced legislation aimed at reducing the amount of corn ethanol in modern gasoline blends and replacing it with other forms of ethanol. Last week, senators Dianne Feinstein of California and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania introduced the Corn Ethanol Mandate Elimination Act of 2015 – technically an amendment to the Keystone XL Pipeline Act – which calls for the EPA’s Renewable Fuel Standard to drop any requirement that ethanol be blended from corn. - See more at: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/...uel-standard/?refer=news#sthash.Ibrqh840.dpuf

 

[bdtex]

Senate legislation aims to eliminate corn ethanol from Renewable Fuel Standard -
Let's eat the corn and /or make shine out of it and get it out of our damn gas.

I've been burning pure, high test non ethanol gas in my 2015 Dodge Challenger Scat Pack since I got it a month ago. Those 485 horses love the stuff. And it gets another 3 to 4 miles on the gallon.


>>>Citing the damage that corn-based ethanol does to automobile engines, among other reasons, two U.S. senators have introduced legislation aimed at reducing the amount of corn ethanol in modern gasoline blends and replacing it with other forms of ethanol. Last week, senators Dianne Feinstein of California and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania introduced the Corn Ethanol Mandate Elimination Act of 2015 – technically an amendment to the Keystone XL Pipeline Act – which calls for the EPA’s Renewable Fuel Standard to drop any requirement that ethanol be blended from corn. - See more at: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/...uel-standard/?refer=news#sthash.Ibrqh840.dpuf

Do they grow a lotta corn in Kansas and Nebraska too? Seriously. I can understand why Senators from CA and PA would introduce something like that. They really don't have any skin in the game.

 

[Bo-4]

I've been burning 10% Ethanol 87 octane gas in my two cars for years without a single issue. The "awwwk - it damages my engine" crowd are pretty much full of it.

http://www.ethanolrfa.org/pages/ethanol-facts-engine-performance

Surprising that Feinstein would be on board with this one.

485 horsepower Sarge? And you need every one of 'em right?

 

[LeilaniMP]

I tried the E85 in the past and got, on average, 6 miles LESS per gallon than with regular gas. My vehicle has a 25 gallon tank, meaning I was getting about 150 miles less per tankful than with regular.

Plus, from what I understand, it gunks up the engine if used often.

No thanks...I'll stick with my regular unleaded gas

I wouldn't even try in in my other car. It requires Premium unleaded. Don't want to chance messing it up.

Senate legislation aims to eliminate corn ethanol from Renewable Fuel Standard -
Let's eat the corn and /or make shine out of it and get it out of our damn gas.

I've been burning pure, high test non ethanol gas in my 2015 Dodge Challenger Scat Pack since I got it a month ago. Those 485 horses love the stuff. And it gets another 3 to 4 miles on the gallon.


>>>Citing the damage that corn-based ethanol does to automobile engines, among other reasons, two U.S. senators have introduced legislation aimed at reducing the amount of corn ethanol in modern gasoline blends and replacing it with other forms of ethanol. Last week, senators Dianne Feinstein of California and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania introduced the Corn Ethanol Mandate Elimination Act of 2015 – technically an amendment to the Keystone XL Pipeline Act – which calls for the EPA’s Renewable Fuel Standard to drop any requirement that ethanol be blended from corn. - See more at: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/...uel-standard/?refer=news#sthash.Ibrqh840.dpuf

 

[Sgt Staples]

I've been burning 10% Ethanol 87 octane gas in my two cars for years without a single issue. The "awwwk - it damages my engine" crowd are pretty much full of it.

http://www.ethanolrfa.org/pages/ethanol-facts-engine-performance

Surprising that Feinstein would be on board with this one.

485 horsepower Sarge? And you need every one of 'em right?

Old age crazy. I always wanted a 1970/72 Hemi Cuda or Hemi Challenger when I was younger. Took me 44 years to finally get it. 6.4 liter, 392 CID Hemi rated to do the quarter in 12.4 seconds with street tires. 0-60 in the low 4 second range. The first 2 gears of the 8 speed Torqueflite tranny are geared really low, like a rocket off the line and 7th and 8th has the engine barely ticking over at 75 MPH. And the trans has a manual mode, if you want to shift yourself On the highway it does about 24 miles on the gallon, so you can have your cake and eat it too.

In the city it will pass everything but a gas station though about 12-14 mpg, but I don't do much city driving. Lot of fun on these mountain roads.

So much electronics I still haven't figured them all out; GPS, Sirius, Dodge Performance pages, back up camera and much much more on the 8.4" display. etc

If you are at the strip you can set the launch RPM and hammer the throttle and it will automatically lock the brakes until you reach that RPM and then bam, you're off.

Not too bad for just under 40 grand.

 

[Sgt Staples]

I tried the E85 in the past and got, on average, 6 miles LESS per gallon than with regular gas. My vehicle has a 25 gallon tank, meaning I was getting about 150 miles less per tankful than with regular.

Plus, from what I understand, it gunks up the engine if used often.

No thanks...I'll stick with my regular unleaded gas

I wouldn't even try in in my other car. It requires Premium unleaded. Don't want to chance messing it up.

That's the thing about ethanol, it's got 70% of the energy of gas. Not to mention it takes up land where we could be growing food. And it puts out more CO2 than gas, if you happen to be worried about CO2 emissions. Another brilliant move by government.

 

[LeilaniMP]

That's the thing about ethanol, it's got 70% of the energy of gas. Not to mention it takes up land where we could be growing food. And it puts out more CO2 than gas, if you happen to be worried about CO2 emissions. Another brilliant move by government.

And the production contaminates more than regular oil production.

But it's supposedly "green" energy.

Another government SNAFU

 

[Sgt Staples]

And the production contaminates more than regular oil production.

But it's supposedly "green" energy.

Another government SNAFU

Yeah, NASCAR even has to use the crap. No wonder they have so many engine failures.

 

[Sgt Staples]

I've been burning 10% Ethanol 87 octane gas in my two cars for years without a single issue. The "awwwk - it damages my engine" crowd are pretty much full of it.

http://www.ethanolrfa.org/pages/ethanol-facts-engine-performance

Surprising that Feinstein would be on board with this one.

485 horsepower Sarge? And you need every one of 'em right?

AACA joins with SEMA, AMA to oppose ethanol in fuel

Cox said that, as a non-profit, the AACA can, and is expected to engage in, educational efforts, so it has undertaken to educate its 62,000 members – and the elected members of the government – about the effects of ethanol on older cars. In addition to the rally, the AACA also printed a pair of editorials arguing against ethanol-blended fuel in the May/June issue of the club’s magazine, Antique Automobile. “While there is no mandate that motorists put E10 in their collector vehicles, off-road vehicles, motorcycles or small engines, un-blended gasoline is disappearing from the marketplace,” wrote Herb Oakes, the AACA’s director of legislation, in one of the editorials. “The life span of a vehicle and equipment can be dramatically reduced with the wrong fuel, and vintage car owners could be confronted with breakdowns because of it.” - See more at: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/...-oppose-ethanol-in-fuel/#sthash.dl1ViDoy.dpuf

Read the comments.

 

[Bo-4]

Old age crazy. I always wanted a 1970/72 Hemi Cuda or Hemi Challenger when I was younger. Took me 44 years to finally get it. 6.4 liter, 392 CID Hemi rated to do the quarter in 12.4 seconds with street tires. 0-60 in the low 4 second range. The first 2 gears of the 8 speed Torqueflite tranny are geared really low, like a rocket off the line and 7th and 8th has the engine barely ticking over at 75 MPH. And the trans has a manual mode, if you want to shift yourself On the highway it does about 24 miles on the gallon, so you can have your cake and eat it too.

In the city it will pass everything but a gas station though about 12-14 mpg, but I don't do much city driving. Lot of fun on these mountain roads.

So much electronics I still haven't figured them all out; GPS, Sirius, Dodge Performance pages, back up camera and much much more on the 8.4" display. etc

If you are at the strip you can set the launch RPM and hammer the throttle and it will automatically lock the brakes until you reach that RPM and then bam, you're off.

Not too bad for just under 40 grand.

Yeah, i kind of get it Sarge. I too fell victim to eh mid-life crisis mobile itch back in '07 and bought retractable hardtop Cedes. Only 280 HP from 6 cyl 24v but it's a small two-seater and the 5.5 0-60 time was plenty for me.

Gonna sell it in the spring. Just don't drive it enough to make the insurance and maintenance costs worthwhile.

I'll cry when i see it driven off down the road, but the 25-30k or so it should bring will lessen the pain. ;-)

 

[as seen on tv]

scientists have determined that a gallon of pure ethanol (corn or any other source) has less "energy" than gasoline. just like gasoline has less than diesel fuel.

therefore any improvement in MPG is either due to other causes, or imaginary.

most cars CANNOT burn anything "higher than" E10 or E15 without significant modifications to the fuel system, since ethanol is highly corrosive, and likely to dissolve hoses and other parts if not specifically engineered for this fuel.

 

[Arkady]

Senate legislation aims to eliminate corn ethanol from Renewable Fuel Standard -
Let's eat the corn and /or make shine out of it and get it out of our damn gas.

I've been burning pure, high test non ethanol gas in my 2015 Dodge Challenger Scat Pack since I got it a month ago. Those 485 horses love the stuff. And it gets another 3 to 4 miles on the gallon.


>>>Citing the damage that corn-based ethanol does to automobile engines, among other reasons, two U.S. senators have introduced legislation aimed at reducing the amount of corn ethanol in modern gasoline blends and replacing it with other forms of ethanol. Last week, senators Dianne Feinstein of California and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania introduced the Corn Ethanol Mandate Elimination Act of 2015 – technically an amendment to the Keystone XL Pipeline Act – which calls for the EPA’s Renewable Fuel Standard to drop any requirement that ethanol be blended from corn. - See more at: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/...uel-standard/?refer=news#sthash.Ibrqh840.dpuf

Corn ethanol is a hugely wasteful piece of political pork. It's about subsidizing the economy of a politically influential state (Iowa has a disproportionate political importance between of the role of the early Iowa caucus, and it's also a swing state). There's no environmental or economic justification for it.

 

[Dawg]

I've been burning 10% Ethanol 87 octane gas in my two cars for years without a single issue. The "awwwk - it damages my engine" crowd are pretty much full of it.

http://www.ethanolrfa.org/pages/ethanol-facts-engine-performance

Surprising that Feinstein would be on board with this one.

485 horsepower Sarge? And you need every one of 'em right?

burn the Shiite in small engines and you will understand......
as for your cars..........time will take care of using the trash in them...........
or do you think water is good for rings/values/bearings/etc

 

[Dawg]

That's the thing about ethanol, it's got 70% of the energy of gas. Not to mention it takes up land where we could be growing food. And it puts out more CO2 than gas, if you happen to be worried about CO2 emissions. Another brilliant move by government.

Gorebal Warming

 

[Dawg]

Do they grow a lotta corn in Kansas and Nebraska too? Seriously. I can understand why Senators from CA and PA would introduce something like that. They really don't have any skin in the game.

Pa plants 1.5million acres of Corn and is 13th in nation of acres planted

 

[bdtex]

Pa plants 1.5million acres of Corn and is 13th in nation of acres planted

Point taken. Only been to Philly.

 

[Dawg]

Point taken. Only been to Philly.

many wouldn't think Pa big in ag..................

 

[Sgt Staples]

burn the Shiite in small engines and you will understand......
as for your cars..........time will take care of using the trash in them...........
or do you think water is good for rings/values/bearings/etc

Gasoline is made from oil and has lubricating qualities to it. ethanol or alcohol does exactly the opposite and washes the oil off of the cylinder walls. and in small engines I have had experience with it. The rubber gaskets in my Stihl chain saw literally melted and plugged up the orifices in the carburetor. It took me a day to get the crap cleaned out. I then used some Permatex "Form a Gasket" that is supposed to be ethanol proof when I reassembled it. But the point about oil washed off the cylinders still remains. Now I use straight gas. There are more and more stations around here selling it as Tennessee doesn't 't mandate Ethanol in fuel.

 

[Dawg]

Gasoline is made from oil and has lubricating qualities to it. ethanol or alcohol does exactly the opposite and washes the oil off of the cylinder walls. and in small engines I have had experience with it. The rubber gaskets in my Stihl chain saw literally melted and plugged up the orifices in the carburetor. It took me a day to get the crap cleaned out. I then used some Permatex "Form a Gasket" that is supposed to be ethanol proof when I reassembled it. But the point about oil washed off the cylinders still remains. Now I use straight gas. There are more and more stations around here selling it as Tennessee doesn't 't mandate Ethanol in fuel.

I noticed in 2 times mowing the yard my muffler was rusting on my rider.....use pure high octane in all small engines now and a can of Sea Foam in truck with every fill up.........small engines just don't like running on water.........