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Just for fun cons, read this empty-head's rant on climate change..What's your favorite lie?

Dino

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Last year, government scientists tell us, was the hottest year on record.
This news is terribly — what’s the word? — inconvenient.

No, not for polar bears or drought victims or coastal dwellers. It’s inconvenient for politicians across the country who, despite whatever data or overwhelming scientific consensus might be proffered, insist on denying global warming.

In recent weeks, West Virginia has snatched national headlines for its attempts to doctor school science standards to discredit climate change. The sixth-grade science curriculum, for example, was amended so that, rather than having students “clarify evidence of the factors that have caused the rise in global temperatures over the past century,” they would examine causes behind the rise “and fall” in global temperatures.
After a national outcry from educators, West Virginia backed down. But the science curriculum standards — which come from recommendations developed and adopted by a partnership of states — have already been rejected by Wyoming. South Carolina blocked the standards before they were even finalized, and other states are gearing up for similar battles. Climate change has slipped into the same contentious curricular role that evolution once occupied, and some sort of Scopes penguin trial or a debate over “intelligent warming” seems inevitable.

The question is why. Passionate anti-evolution skepticism was clearly borne of biblical teaching. But the motivations behind climate denialism — which, to my knowledge, remains unaddressed in Genesis — are a bit blurrier.
To some extent, of course, economic self-interest discourages a belief in man-made climate change, particularly if you’re from a state heavily dependent on fossil fuel production. West Virginia happens to be one such state, and a school board member there who backed the curricular changes even publicly alluded to the coal industry’s stake in the matter. Wyoming legislators’ thinking might be similarly influenced by their state’s status as both the nation’s top producer of coal — it is responsible for 39 percent of domestic production — and the top consumer of energy in per capita terms. In these states, man-made global warming is simply too economically inconvenient to be true.


(FYI: Here are my favorite couple of lies...couldn't narrow it down to one...)

But plenty of other states keep voting climate-change deniers into office even though doing so is against their interests. South Carolina is one obvious example, since its lucrative coastal tourism industry is vulnerable to rising seas. Florida and Texas are likely to be hit with more and increasingly devastating hurricanes, but both have elected federal lawmakers who are outspoken skeptics of human-caused climate change: Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, and Sen. Ted Cruz and Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, all Republicans.

I mention these lawmakers in particular because they have the power to do a lot of damage on the science policy front, seeing as they, among other Republican climate “truthers,” all lead important committees or subcommittees that help set science policy. And in fact, it’s hard to talk about their party’s views of climate change without considering the broader context of its attitudes toward the entire scientific community.
The Republican War on Science has become a bit of a cliche, and GOP leaders have denied that they are indeed waging such a war. But who could blame them if they were? Survey data show that conservatives — who, back in 1974, were the political group that expressed the highest amount of trust in science — are now the most distrusting of the scientific community. Decades of anti-elite, anti-intellectual rhetoric, combined with the Internet’s uncanny ability to connect like-minded conspiracy theorists, have sowed a great distrust not only of climate change research specifically but of scientific researchers in general.
The ivory tower’s sole mission, in the minds of Republican leaders such as Sen. James Inhofe (Okla.) and his constituents, is not to push the boundaries of human knowledge but rather to perpetuate a great liberal hoax upon the world while crippling businesses and hoovering up Americans’ hard-won tax dollars for dubious research projects. Thus Republicans’ near-obsessive condemnations not only of strategies to combat climate change but also of the Environmental Protection Agency and of the relatively small amounts of tax dollars delivered through peer-reviewed grants. (A good way to delegitimize the science community further, by the way, is to cut public funding so that research agendas are more often dictated by the whims of private donors and corporate sponsors.)
Conservative climate-change denialism is indeed dangerous, and not just because it threatens coral reefs and polar bears tomorrow. It’s also dangerous because it’s a symptom of a much greater anti-intellectual, anti-science epidemic, one that prioritizes populist punch lines over smart policy and threatens our ability to compete in the global economy today.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...796658-a01c-11e4-b146-577832eafcb4_story.html

I understand the push for alarmism, libs. But this type of hyperbolic tripe is just pathetic. Try to lose with an ounce of dignity.
 
after the initial claim by NASA that 2014 was "the hottest on record", and the resulting outcry, NASA amended its findings.

despite having produced a temperature calculation to 1/100th of a degree (globally) and asserting that this is "1/100th of a degree" hotter than some prior year, they backed down and said their confidence level was only "38%" that the number was true.

here's the link, LOL

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gla...t-only-38-chance-2014-was-hottest-year-record
 
after the initial claim by NASA that 2014 was "the hottest on record", and the resulting outcry, NASA amended its findings.

despite having produced a temperature calculation to 1/100th of a degree (globally) and asserting that this is "1/100th of a degree" hotter than some prior year, they backed down and said their confidence level was only "38%" that the number was true.

here's the link, LOL

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gla...t-only-38-chance-2014-was-hottest-year-record
Great stuff...my favorite is the exit question.

Exit question: What is the probability that all those MSM outlets that reported as a flat out fact that 2014 as the hottest year on record will soon cite the fact that they were probably 62% wrong according to the NASA scientists? 38%? Nil? None?

When it was a .02 degree increase from 4 years ago it was a MAJOR story. Not it's likely NOT true... no biggie!

Who said that the climate was not a political issue?
 
Do you deniers realize how silly you look at this point, citing debunked former aids of clowns like Inhofe?
 
Great stuff...my favorite is the exit question.

Exit question: What is the probability that all those MSM outlets that reported as a flat out fact that 2014 as the hottest year on record will soon cite the fact that they were probably 62% wrong according to the NASA scientists? 38%? Nil? None?

When it was a .02 degree increase from 4 years ago it was a MAJOR story. Not it's likely NOT true... no biggie!

Who said that the climate was not a political issue?

Here is what I don't get. Why would these scientist and experts try to fool the public into believing something that is not real ?
 
Here is what I don't get. Why would these scientist and experts try to fool the public into believing something that is not real ?
What scientist?

This is a Washington Post no-nothing telling fibs. Wanna threadjack? Start your own post.
 
You don't come around often enough Goofy. See my responses in ASOT's thread yesterday. Focus on "ClimateDepot" hack Marc Moreno. He sucks and his website and "scientists" are all funded by big energy.

https://www.politicaljack.com/threa...ly-bitch-slap-nasas-hottest-year-claim.78363/
WO!!

So I was supposed to know you were discussing a different thread from a different poster regarding a different column altogether?

Wow, you're a useless idiot.

Any comment on THIS post?
 
WO!!

So I was supposed to know you were discussing a different thread from a different poster regarding a different column altogether?

Wow, you're a useless idiot.

Any comment on THIS post?

Yes, your post sucked and this nonsense is no longer a topic for intelligent debate.

Dismissed.
 
What scientist?

This is a Washington Post no-nothing telling fibs. Wanna threadjack? Start your own post.

The ones in the ivory tower mentioned in the article you posted. How is asking a question about what you posted thread jacking ?
 
The ones in the ivory tower mentioned in the article you posted. How is asking a question about what you posted thread jacking ?
You're believing the fib that the GOP is "antiscience" and trying to turn it to me to explain why??
How high are you?
 
Here is what I don't get. Why would these scientist and experts try to fool the public into believing something that is not real ?


First off, I think that the fact of these scientist not braying absolute certitude is to their credit, and the fact that the Fox/GOPsters would seize upon this as proof of anything, betrays them.

More specifically though, I've compared the climate science with the science around second hand smoke. If we were to "score" the two, the climate science would "out score" the second hand smoke science by 980+ miles. Yet, nobody bothers disputing the second hand smoke science. Why is that? It's simple, it's because right or wrong, nobody sees any upside to disproving the second hand smoke science.

In terms of the climate science and the recommendations it engenders, it's hard for me to discern any rational UPside to denying the climate science. Even if petro burning has absolutely nothing to do with global warming and climate change, it would STILL be in our best interests to pursue our 21st-Century renewable options.

Frankly, I'm afraid the deniers are now little more than ODS-ers. Maybe it would help if Obama were to come out in favor of the denier's position?
 
First off, I think that the fact of these scientist not braying absolute certitude is to their credit, and the fact that the Fox/GOPsters would seize upon this as proof of anything, betrays them.

More specifically though, I've compared the climate science with the science around second hand smoke. If we were to "score" the two, the climate science would "out score" the second hand smoke science by 980+ miles. Yet, nobody bothers disputing the second hand smoke science. Why is that? It's simple, it's because right or wrong, nobody sees any upside to disproving the second hand smoke science.

In terms of the climate science and the recommendations it engenders, it's hard for me to discern any rational UPside to denying the climate science. Even if petro burning has absolutely nothing to do with global warming and climate change, it would STILL be in our best interests to pursue our 21st-Century renewable options.

Frankly, I'm afraid the deniers are now little more than ODS-ers. Maybe it would help if Obama were to come out in favor of the denier's position?

It comes off as a conspiracy theory mongering without a valid reason for there to be a conspiracy. They couldn't be doing it for the money. If it were for money they siding with the wrong group. There is a lot more money to be lavished around by the fossil fuel industry's tip jar than there is in all the grant money there will ever be. It can't be for fame since I doubt if 99.999% of the people on this planet could name a single climate scientist from a photograph. Plus there work is constantly harassed by parties interested in the status quo.
 
after the initial claim by NASA that 2014 was "the hottest on record", and the resulting outcry, NASA amended its findings.

despite having produced a temperature calculation to 1/100th of a degree (globally) and asserting that this is "1/100th of a degree" hotter than some prior year, they backed down and said their confidence level was only "38%" that the number was true.

here's the link, LOL

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gla...t-only-38-chance-2014-was-hottest-year-record
Hey, another reference to that infamous UK tabloid, the Daily Mail. It's like it's taking over the whole American conservative movement. Bizarre!

Anyway, when you're ready to step up your gain and leave the partisan political sites aside for a while, here's the actual NASA release:

http://www.nasa.gov/press/2015/janu...4-warmest-year-in-modern-record/#.VL7jfy5fe7I

As for the "margin of error," this is well understood. It's the reason that LAST year may actually have been the hottest year on record, or the year before might have been. Every year there's a margin of error and they might be understating or overstating temperatures. But, the point is that even when you allow for the margin of error, there is a very clear trend of warming -- the very trend that the preternaturally stupid people in the right pretend doesn't exist.
 
Your opinion means nothing to me.

Thanks for dodging the topic, this column and the proven lies in it.

Run along now sonny.

Nope, myself and other sane folk will continue to laugh at deniers such as yourself, who deserve nothing short of ridicule.

Enjoy the ride, if not the debate. ;)
 
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